The Error of KJV-Onlyism
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David Cloud (of WayofLife.org) used to think KJV-Onlyism was silly for many years, until he investigated it in more depth.
He does not agree with Gail Riplinger, Peter Ruckman, and Steven Anderson. David Cloud even gets into the original languages a bit, too. Granted, that is not my focus so much (Although I have done one by God’s leading once n a particular topic).
This is the wrong understanding or approach on the matter, my friend. God can still do His work through men despite what they believe or think. Take for example king Saul and his men. They prophesied and did not intend to do so. Jesus said that the Father revealed to Peter that he was the Son of God. Yet, at another time, Peter was said to be Satan by Jesus because Peter was trying to prevent Jesus in going to the cross. So God could use the KJB translators to eventually place His words that He desired despite what they said or did at other times (even involving the translation). So why would I think that the hand of God was upon the KJB and moved the translators to put His words into the text (Despite them being aware of this)?
Well, there are many reasons, but if I were to point to Bible history alone, and the uniqueness of the KJB above other Bibles, we can see the hand of God on this translation in other ways.
1. Two Textus Receptus Bible Translators were martyred by the Catholic Church for their faith (William Tyndale, and John Rogers). In William Tyndale’s case, he was in part killed because of his translation.
2. King James united two Christian factions that disagreed with each other strongly on the Bible issue by the work of the KJB translation (I would recommend checking out the documentary, KJB: The Book That Changed the World).
3. Gunpowder plot: The KJB, King James, and its translators were all almost destroyed by a superbomb by a Catholic.
4. King James Bible is the most printed book in the world.
5. King James Bible caused the greatest revivals in history.
6. King James Bible formed the English speaking Protestant world.
7. We all still speak phrases or idioms that are found in the King James Bible. There are 200 plus such idioms.
8. All Modern Bibles today have the stink of the Catholic Church upon them. Catholic ideas started with the Westcott and Hort Revised Version and has increased through time with later Modern Bibles.
Actually, Modern Bibles remove all direct references of the Godhead or Trinity. 1 John 5:7 is removed (Which is the one and only verse that tells us about the Trinity point blank). The word “Godhead” (which means Trinity) appears three times in the KJB is altered to say “divinity” instead (Which means something else). Again, Unitarians in the early centuries had the Scriptures, and so it makes sense they would remove verses like 1 John 5:7 (even when early church fathers had testified to its existence).
In any event, may God’s good ways shine upon you today (Despite us disagreeing on this topic).
He does not agree with Gail Riplinger, Peter Ruckman, and Steven Anderson. David Cloud even gets into the original languages a bit, too. Granted, that is not my focus so much (Although I have done one by God’s leading once n a particular topic).
This is the wrong understanding or approach on the matter, my friend. God can still do His work through men despite what they believe or think. Take for example king Saul and his men. They prophesied and did not intend to do so. Jesus said that the Father revealed to Peter that he was the Son of God. Yet, at another time, Peter was said to be Satan by Jesus because Peter was trying to prevent Jesus in going to the cross. So God could use the KJB translators to eventually place His words that He desired despite what they said or did at other times (even involving the translation). So why would I think that the hand of God was upon the KJB and moved the translators to put His words into the text (Despite them being aware of this)?
Well, there are many reasons, but if I were to point to Bible history alone, and the uniqueness of the KJB above other Bibles, we can see the hand of God on this translation in other ways.
1. Two Textus Receptus Bible Translators were martyred by the Catholic Church for their faith (William Tyndale, and John Rogers). In William Tyndale’s case, he was in part killed because of his translation.
2. King James united two Christian factions that disagreed with each other strongly on the Bible issue by the work of the KJB translation (I would recommend checking out the documentary, KJB: The Book That Changed the World).
3. Gunpowder plot: The KJB, King James, and its translators were all almost destroyed by a superbomb by a Catholic.
4. King James Bible is the most printed book in the world.
5. King James Bible caused the greatest revivals in history.
6. King James Bible formed the English speaking Protestant world.
7. We all still speak phrases or idioms that are found in the King James Bible. There are 200 plus such idioms.
8. All Modern Bibles today have the stink of the Catholic Church upon them. Catholic ideas started with the Westcott and Hort Revised Version and has increased through time with later Modern Bibles.
Actually, Modern Bibles remove all direct references of the Godhead or Trinity. 1 John 5:7 is removed (Which is the one and only verse that tells us about the Trinity point blank). The word “Godhead” (which means Trinity) appears three times in the KJB is altered to say “divinity” instead (Which means something else). Again, Unitarians in the early centuries had the Scriptures, and so it makes sense they would remove verses like 1 John 5:7 (even when early church fathers had testified to its existence).
In any event, may God’s good ways shine upon you today (Despite us disagreeing on this topic).
"Core KJB is the belief that the King James Bible is the perfect inerrant words of God", which is an impossibility. The Bible sources were written in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. => There is not a single English word in any source document <= The King James Bible is a translation of ancient source documents, which differ to some degree, as well as relying on other earlier English versions. The translators of any Bible have to have a clear understanding of the ancient sources and the ability to accurately communicate what they mean.
"... one is not against the use of Modern Bibles as long as it aligns with what the KJB says." Seriously???
"... there are false doctrines taught in all Modern Bibles. So we do have to be careful" IMHO that is absurd. a) What false doctrines are you referring to? b) If the KJV is perfect, why has it been amended over the years???
You wrote "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17)" (The KJV reads "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God"; a better translation of this verse is "So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ." (NRSVue and other modern translations)). So why are Bibles printed? What is the point of reading any Bible if faith comes by hearing?
"... we have to be ever diligent to stay faithful to believe the pure Word of God (the KJB) in what it says". Can you give me a single valid reason to accept that the KJV is "the pure Word of God"??? Do you think that God made a group of men appointed by a King perfect understanding of the ancient texts (plural) and earlier English translations and the perfect ability to convey that understanding in English? (Why has the KJV been altered and amended since its original publication? Which KJV version is the "perfect" Word of God?
"... one is not against the use of Modern Bibles as long as it aligns with what the KJB says." Seriously???
"... there are false doctrines taught in all Modern Bibles. So we do have to be careful" IMHO that is absurd. a) What false doctrines are you referring to? b) If the KJV is perfect, why has it been amended over the years???
You wrote "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17)" (The KJV reads "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God"; a better translation of this verse is "So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ." (NRSVue and other modern translations)). So why are Bibles printed? What is the point of reading any Bible if faith comes by hearing?
"... we have to be ever diligent to stay faithful to believe the pure Word of God (the KJB) in what it says". Can you give me a single valid reason to accept that the KJV is "the pure Word of God"??? Do you think that God made a group of men appointed by a King perfect understanding of the ancient texts (plural) and earlier English translations and the perfect ability to convey that understanding in English? (Why has the KJV been altered and amended since its original publication? Which KJV version is the "perfect" Word of God?
For those who are interested, there is a very good article about the process of creating the original KJV at https://bibleversion.org/bible/vers...-version/modern-language-version-2014-preface
Seriously? Have a look at any modern translation, e.g., the NIV, the NRSVue, the NET, and tell me what 1 John 5:7-8 says...
NIV: "For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."
NRSVue: "There are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree."
NET: "For there are three that testify, the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement."
NASB: "For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."
ASV: "And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one."
CEB: "The three are testifying—the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and the three are united in agreement. "
HCSB: "For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement."
RSV: "And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth. There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree."
So it's simply matter of versification.
You've got to a lot better than claiming that modern Bibles remove all direct references of the Godhead or Trinity if you want to be taken seriously.
NIV: "For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."
NRSVue: "There are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree."
NET: "For there are three that testify, the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement."
NASB: "For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."
ASV: "And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one."
CEB: "The three are testifying—the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and the three are united in agreement. "
HCSB: "For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement."
RSV: "And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth. There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree."
So it's simply matter of versification.
You've got to a lot better than claiming that modern Bibles remove all direct references of the Godhead or Trinity if you want to be taken seriously.
So you believe you are aware of all the points in my 101 Reasons for the KJB without having seen them? I have not given this PDF to everyone yet. Here are....
Ten Main Categories That Defend The King James Bible:
#1. Manuscript Witnesses (Majority of manuscripts or witnesses favor the KJB). Compare 5,800 manuscripts for the TR with only 45 or so for the Alexandrian texts. In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established. There are four gospels, etcetera. In Textual Criticism, they say the old is better after having tasted the new. Also, just because something is older does not mean it is better. A pagan religious document that would predate the Incarnation of Christ is not better just because it is older than the NT Scriptures. In fact, Paul said that even in his time, the Scriptures were being corrupted. Is it not odd that this very verse that talks about this corruption is altered in Modern Bibles?
#2. Doctrinal (The KJB is doctrinally superior. Meaning, doctrines that are vitally important are found in the KJV, but yet, they are missing in the Modern Bibles. Also, Modern Bibles teach false doctrines, as well).
#3. Influence or Fruit (The KJB is the most printed book in the world and it had the greatest influence positively in history leading to many great revivals whereas the Modern Bibles are tied to this recent Laodicean church age). (a) There are 200 plus idioms or phrases in the English-speaking world that are found in the KJB. (b) Here in America, the KJB has had an amazing impact and influence. In America: The first printed English Bible (including the OT and NT) was the King James Bible that was endorsed by Congress (i.e., the Aitken’s Bible). The KJB became the dominant translation here in America from the 18th century to the early 1960s. Lincoln was gifted a King James Bible by the black community and he spoke highly of it and the famous Gettysburg address was peppered with the language of the KJB. Other US presidents in history spoke highly of the King James Bible, and it had a significant impact here in America; Especially around the timing of the 300th anniversary of the KJB. Two US presidents spoke in high regard of the KJB a few days apart from the KJB anniversary.
#4. Biblical; The Word of God speaking about the Word (Meaning, the Bible supports that there is a book, and it is perfect, and would be preserved forever - which aligns with the KJB belief; Whereas Textual Criticism cannot be demonstrated by Scripture).
#5. Historical: Comparing the Origins of Each (One can see the hand of God upon the origins of the KJB, and it had the best translators, whereas with the Modern Translation movement, its origins are tied to deceptions, Catholicism, Unitarianism, liberalism, and other problems; In short, the KJB has noble and good origins and the Modern Bibles have dark origins).
#6. Problems of Textual Criticism (Part 1) There is no singular standard and everyone does what is right in their own eyes. They have phantom bibles that exist only in their own minds or the minds of their chosen respected scholars. Dan Wallace does not agree with James White. They cannot actually point to a singular book and say it is the Word of God or the Bible (a.k.a. the Book of the Lord as mentioned in Isaiah 34:16). They become the authority or the scholar becomes the authority when they find what they believe is an error in God’s Word. There is no true reverence for the words of God when the Bible warns not to add or take away from his words and Jesus tell us His words would not pass away.
#7. Problems of Textual Criticism (Part 2) The Men Attached to Modern Scholarship. Check out this PDF by WayofLife.
#8. Problems of Textual Criticism (Part 3) Deceptions in Textual Criticism (See my post here).
#9. Unique superior qualities of the KJB. (a) Thous and Thees help you to distinguish between a singular person being spoken to vs. two or more people. Many Modern Bibles do not have this distinction or quality. (b) The KJB was not originally created with a copyright and so its creation was not motivated by one, unlike Modern Translations. (c) The KJB has italicized words, which shows the honesty of the translators. (d) KJB is easier to memorize (e) KJB was designed to be spoken and heard by the ear.
#10. Divine Nature of the Text: Biblical Numerics (The King James Bible is the only Bible that has amazing unexplainable numerical patterns within it that can only be the hand of God upon such a book; Note: Rather than go into detail myself about this point, I would recommend checking out several videos on the topic instead to truly see the magnitude and depth of this topic fully). See this video here to start.
The question is... "Modern" to what?
Well, the King James Bible has been the dominant Bible here in America from the 1700s to the 1960s, and it is logical to conclude that the Modern Bibles or newer Bibles (Based on different underlying texts) has not always been the view held until recent years.
From my write-up.
There is a gluttony of Modern English Bibles on the market, with approx. 900 plus Contemporary English Translations (including full and partial versions). [27] There is also not one edition of the NIV, ESV, or NKJV, which is not the result of correcting printing imperfections, such as those editions of the KJV. It is also worth noting that Modern Translations receives substantial funding from donations that number in the millions. This strongly suggests that financial motives play a significant role in the saturation of the market with numerous modern versions. Oddly, the Modern Translations make a change in 2 Corinthians 2:17 that makes them appear to look guilty here. Where the KJV correctly says, “For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God,” the NIV says, “Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit.”
I could go on, but I am hoping someday you will read my write-up when it is finished.
Ten Main Categories That Defend The King James Bible:
#1. Manuscript Witnesses (Majority of manuscripts or witnesses favor the KJB). Compare 5,800 manuscripts for the TR with only 45 or so for the Alexandrian texts. In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established. There are four gospels, etcetera. In Textual Criticism, they say the old is better after having tasted the new. Also, just because something is older does not mean it is better. A pagan religious document that would predate the Incarnation of Christ is not better just because it is older than the NT Scriptures. In fact, Paul said that even in his time, the Scriptures were being corrupted. Is it not odd that this very verse that talks about this corruption is altered in Modern Bibles?
#2. Doctrinal (The KJB is doctrinally superior. Meaning, doctrines that are vitally important are found in the KJV, but yet, they are missing in the Modern Bibles. Also, Modern Bibles teach false doctrines, as well).
#3. Influence or Fruit (The KJB is the most printed book in the world and it had the greatest influence positively in history leading to many great revivals whereas the Modern Bibles are tied to this recent Laodicean church age). (a) There are 200 plus idioms or phrases in the English-speaking world that are found in the KJB. (b) Here in America, the KJB has had an amazing impact and influence. In America: The first printed English Bible (including the OT and NT) was the King James Bible that was endorsed by Congress (i.e., the Aitken’s Bible). The KJB became the dominant translation here in America from the 18th century to the early 1960s. Lincoln was gifted a King James Bible by the black community and he spoke highly of it and the famous Gettysburg address was peppered with the language of the KJB. Other US presidents in history spoke highly of the King James Bible, and it had a significant impact here in America; Especially around the timing of the 300th anniversary of the KJB. Two US presidents spoke in high regard of the KJB a few days apart from the KJB anniversary.
#4. Biblical; The Word of God speaking about the Word (Meaning, the Bible supports that there is a book, and it is perfect, and would be preserved forever - which aligns with the KJB belief; Whereas Textual Criticism cannot be demonstrated by Scripture).
#5. Historical: Comparing the Origins of Each (One can see the hand of God upon the origins of the KJB, and it had the best translators, whereas with the Modern Translation movement, its origins are tied to deceptions, Catholicism, Unitarianism, liberalism, and other problems; In short, the KJB has noble and good origins and the Modern Bibles have dark origins).
#6. Problems of Textual Criticism (Part 1) There is no singular standard and everyone does what is right in their own eyes. They have phantom bibles that exist only in their own minds or the minds of their chosen respected scholars. Dan Wallace does not agree with James White. They cannot actually point to a singular book and say it is the Word of God or the Bible (a.k.a. the Book of the Lord as mentioned in Isaiah 34:16). They become the authority or the scholar becomes the authority when they find what they believe is an error in God’s Word. There is no true reverence for the words of God when the Bible warns not to add or take away from his words and Jesus tell us His words would not pass away.
#7. Problems of Textual Criticism (Part 2) The Men Attached to Modern Scholarship. Check out this PDF by WayofLife.
#8. Problems of Textual Criticism (Part 3) Deceptions in Textual Criticism (See my post here).
#9. Unique superior qualities of the KJB. (a) Thous and Thees help you to distinguish between a singular person being spoken to vs. two or more people. Many Modern Bibles do not have this distinction or quality. (b) The KJB was not originally created with a copyright and so its creation was not motivated by one, unlike Modern Translations. (c) The KJB has italicized words, which shows the honesty of the translators. (d) KJB is easier to memorize (e) KJB was designed to be spoken and heard by the ear.
#10. Divine Nature of the Text: Biblical Numerics (The King James Bible is the only Bible that has amazing unexplainable numerical patterns within it that can only be the hand of God upon such a book; Note: Rather than go into detail myself about this point, I would recommend checking out several videos on the topic instead to truly see the magnitude and depth of this topic fully). See this video here to start.
The question is... "Modern" to what?
Well, the King James Bible has been the dominant Bible here in America from the 1700s to the 1960s, and it is logical to conclude that the Modern Bibles or newer Bibles (Based on different underlying texts) has not always been the view held until recent years.
From my write-up.
There is a gluttony of Modern English Bibles on the market, with approx. 900 plus Contemporary English Translations (including full and partial versions). [27] There is also not one edition of the NIV, ESV, or NKJV, which is not the result of correcting printing imperfections, such as those editions of the KJV. It is also worth noting that Modern Translations receives substantial funding from donations that number in the millions. This strongly suggests that financial motives play a significant role in the saturation of the market with numerous modern versions. Oddly, the Modern Translations make a change in 2 Corinthians 2:17 that makes them appear to look guilty here. Where the KJV correctly says, “For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God,” the NIV says, “Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit.”
I could go on, but I am hoping someday you will read my write-up when it is finished.
Sometimes the Modern scholars remove stuff in the KJB without any manuscript support or by looking to the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus. The Vaticanus and Sinaiticus disagree with each other in thousands of places. We can say they removed stuff because your movement didn't exist before 1881 with Westcott and Hort. Yes, there were some pre-Westcott and Hort texts and some debates in the 1800s but it did not catch on like the Westcott and Hort movement (Which uses the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus). If you lived in America in the 1700s, you would have thought the Bible at that time was the KJB and there would be no such debate as we are having now. It was not common. At one point in time, English-speaking people thought the Bible was the KJB.
If one looks at the KJB from a carnal perspective, I suppose one can draw the conclusion that God was not involved in the making of the KJB. But God used the Jews and the Romans to be a part of Christ's sacrifice (Which started God's plan of salvation leading to His resurrection, and ascension). Who would have thought the unbelieving Romans played a part in man's salvation? God can use whomever He desires and at that time, not everyone was able to see God working when Jesus was being crucified. What looked like the death of the disciple's master was one of the greatest acts in human history taking place. So you have to look deeper at how God can operate. God can use men despite themselves and what they think or do.
Sorry, but I am not interested. You and I clearly differ about the KJV versus other translations, many of which are excellent.
Plus, your comment about the financial motives of modern Bible translators is ridiculous. Do you think that the KJV publishers aren't selling their Bibles at a profit??? (Try walking out of a Bible store with the KJV under your arm without paying for it!!!)
P.S. The NET is available for free online and you can read any translation you want for free at Bible Gateway and other sites.
Plus, your comment about the financial motives of modern Bible translators is ridiculous. Do you think that the KJV publishers aren't selling their Bibles at a profit??? (Try walking out of a Bible store with the KJV under your arm without paying for it!!!)
P.S. The NET is available for free online and you can read any translation you want for free at Bible Gateway and other sites.
People still buy physical Bibles, and when they do, they give kickbacks to the publishers. It’s still a big business. Otherwise, they would not print Bibles anymore. Why on Earth do they need to keep making multiple editions of the same translation? They are not trying to get back to the Master copy or perfect any printing errors like with the major KJB editions. You cannot read the NIV openly in your church until a certain point without violating copyright law. So one will be breaking the Law of the land just by reading that translation. This is the case for other translations, as well. So they are not in it for purely godly reasons.
Interesting, even AI can list them:
1. God’s Promises: Throughout the Bible, God makes numerous promises to His people, assuring them of His faithfulness and reliability. Trusting in God’s Word means believing in these promises and relying on them for guidance and comfort.
2. Historical Accuracy: The Bible has been proven to be historically accurate through archaeological discoveries and external historical sources. This accuracy lends credibility to the reliability of the text as a whole.
3. Fulfillment of Prophecies: The Bible contains many prophecies that have been fulfilled with remarkable precision, demonstrating the divine inspiration behind the text and reinforcing trust in its authenticity.
4. Consistency: Despite being written by multiple authors over centuries, the Bible maintains a remarkable consistency in its message and teachings, indicating a unified source of inspiration.
5. Transformative Power: Countless individuals throughout history have experienced personal transformation and spiritual growth through engaging with the teachings of the Bible, testifying to its power and relevance.
6. Wisdom and Guidance: The Bible offers timeless wisdom and practical guidance for navigating life’s challenges, providing a solid foundation for making decisions and living according to God’s will.
7. Testimonies of Faith: The testimonies of believers who have trusted in God’s Word and experienced His faithfulness firsthand serve as powerful evidence of the reliability of Scripture.
8. Spiritual Nourishment: Just as physical food sustains our bodies, the Word of God nourishes our spirits, providing sustenance and strength for the journey of faith.
9. Unchanging Nature: In a world where everything is constantly changing, God’s Word remains steadfast and unchanging, offering a reliable anchor for our souls.
10. Divine Inspiration: Believers trust in the Bible as God’s inspired Word, recognizing that it is not merely a human creation but a divine revelation intended for their benefit.
11. Salvation Message: The central message of the Bible, focusing on salvation through Jesus Christ, instills trust in believers that God’s plan for redemption is true and reliable.
12. Personal Relationship with God: Trusting in God’s Word fosters a deeper relationship with Him, allowing believers to experience His presence, guidance, and love in their lives.
Amen.
Reasons for Trusting in God’s Pure/Preserved Word:
1. God’s Promises: Throughout the Bible, God makes numerous promises to His people, assuring them of His faithfulness and reliability. Trusting in God’s Word means believing in these promises and relying on them for guidance and comfort.
2. Historical Accuracy: The Bible has been proven to be historically accurate through archaeological discoveries and external historical sources. This accuracy lends credibility to the reliability of the text as a whole.
3. Fulfillment of Prophecies: The Bible contains many prophecies that have been fulfilled with remarkable precision, demonstrating the divine inspiration behind the text and reinforcing trust in its authenticity.
4. Consistency: Despite being written by multiple authors over centuries, the Bible maintains a remarkable consistency in its message and teachings, indicating a unified source of inspiration.
5. Transformative Power: Countless individuals throughout history have experienced personal transformation and spiritual growth through engaging with the teachings of the Bible, testifying to its power and relevance.
6. Wisdom and Guidance: The Bible offers timeless wisdom and practical guidance for navigating life’s challenges, providing a solid foundation for making decisions and living according to God’s will.
7. Testimonies of Faith: The testimonies of believers who have trusted in God’s Word and experienced His faithfulness firsthand serve as powerful evidence of the reliability of Scripture.
8. Spiritual Nourishment: Just as physical food sustains our bodies, the Word of God nourishes our spirits, providing sustenance and strength for the journey of faith.
9. Unchanging Nature: In a world where everything is constantly changing, God’s Word remains steadfast and unchanging, offering a reliable anchor for our souls.
10. Divine Inspiration: Believers trust in the Bible as God’s inspired Word, recognizing that it is not merely a human creation but a divine revelation intended for their benefit.
11. Salvation Message: The central message of the Bible, focusing on salvation through Jesus Christ, instills trust in believers that God’s plan for redemption is true and reliable.
12. Personal Relationship with God: Trusting in God’s Word fosters a deeper relationship with Him, allowing believers to experience His presence, guidance, and love in their lives.
Amen.
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I just discovered Perplexity AI yesterday. It is an AI search that provides sources and references. Someone told me that the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus manuscripts are not a part of the Nestle and Aland NT Greek Critical Text. Some articles say that it does not rely on it primarily. I knew these statements were not true. I did a search at Perplexity and it says that the Nestle and Aland Critical Text relies heavily upon the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus manuscripts and provides sources to back up that statement. It's better than ChatGPT when it comes to facts. Perplexity searches in real-time and it does not search off an old database (i.e. a year or two old database). ChatGPT is good for doing rewrites if you are into writing or asking basic educational things that everyone should know.
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LOL!
When people buy physical Bibles, including the King James, the publishers profit from the sales. Don't realize -- seriously? -- that there are multiple editions of the King James Bible? That has nothing to do with a master copy or printing errors or ... i t has to do with copyrights, royalties, etc. Check out how many different King James Bibles there are!
Nobody in their right mind would read enough of the NIV (or any other Bible) in church to be in violation of copyright law. "The New International Version (NIV) text may be quoted in any form (written, visual, electronic or audio), [notice it does NOT say SPOKEN or VERBAL!) up to and inclusive of five hundred (500) verses without the express written permission of the publisher, providing the verses quoted do not amount to a complete book of the Bible nor do the verses quoted account for twenty-five percent (25%) or more of the total text of the work in which they are quoted. " Nobody would tolerate someone reading 500 verses from any Bible, including the King James translation! It is misleading to say that "one will be breaking the Law of the land just by reading that translation". That is simply not true! And claiming that "they are not in it for purely godly reasons" is an absurd exaggeration of a hypothetical event.
When people buy physical Bibles, including the King James, the publishers profit from the sales. Don't realize -- seriously? -- that there are multiple editions of the King James Bible? That has nothing to do with a master copy or printing errors or ... i t has to do with copyrights, royalties, etc. Check out how many different King James Bibles there are!
Nobody in their right mind would read enough of the NIV (or any other Bible) in church to be in violation of copyright law. "The New International Version (NIV) text may be quoted in any form (written, visual, electronic or audio), [notice it does NOT say SPOKEN or VERBAL!) up to and inclusive of five hundred (500) verses without the express written permission of the publisher, providing the verses quoted do not amount to a complete book of the Bible nor do the verses quoted account for twenty-five percent (25%) or more of the total text of the work in which they are quoted. " Nobody would tolerate someone reading 500 verses from any Bible, including the King James translation! It is misleading to say that "one will be breaking the Law of the land just by reading that translation". That is simply not true! And claiming that "they are not in it for purely godly reasons" is an absurd exaggeration of a hypothetical event.
Some people have it fixed in your mind that the King James Bible is the only accurate Bible, even though there is a plethora of evidence to the contrary.
James first became King James VI of Scotland then became King James I of England (and thereby head of the Church of England) in 1603. He quickly order a group of men to create a new translation of the Bible as the head of the church. The new Bible was partly based on previous English translations but all the side references were removed because the didn’t glorify James’ rule. Shortly afterward, the first English settlers of this continent – the pilgrims – fled the tyrannical ruler because of his edict that everyone must accept that his newly-created Bible was the one true Bible. They fled, carrying their Geneva Bibles with them, rather than submit to his dictatorial command and accept a Bible that was created for political reasons. They believed God's Word as written without a political agenda!
It is incomprehensible to me that some people still ignore the truth about the King James Bible, despite a) the changes in the English language, over 400+ years, b) the discovery of many new source documents, c) the advances in understanding the ancient languages, d) translation techniques, etc. They still insist that (following James’ royal edict!) there is only one valid English Bible, despite an overwhelming amount of proof to the contrary. The excuse is that God inspired the KJV translators, even though the TRUTH is that they were forced by King James to follow the his political edict. Those people who did not accept the political edict but stayed true to their Christian faith were forced to flee for their lives. (Read that sentence again!)
It completely baffles me that some people still believe that the King James translation is still the only valid translation, ignoring the fact that it was developed solely to establish James as the head of the Church of England and the bastion of Christian truth, rather than seeing it for what it actually was: an instrument of political tyranny. They falsely believe that there was only one time in history that God gave translators perfect understanding (REALLY!), and that every other translation created before or since cannot be valid. To me, that completely defies logic and reason. God is in control!
Even though a) there has been significant change in the English language in 400 years, b) there have been new, important source documents discovered, c) there have been great advances in Biblical scholarship and translation techniques, etc., people still believe the King James edict that his politically-motivated translation is the actual word of God. To me, that is both astonishing and sad!
People actually claim that if any other Bible has different wording than the King James Bible, that wording must be in error. Really!!! Rather than accept the fact that the King James translation is A POLITICAL CREATION, they believe that God gave the translators perfect understanding. Really! In other words, people believe that if another Bible, regardless of the increased number of source documents, utilized the advances in knowledge of the ancient languages, the art/science of Biblical translation differs from the King James translation, those translations are in error! REALLY!!!
I will not continue to discuss this matter with people who falsely believe that God created the King James translation, thereby denying that it actually is not THE BIBLE, but a translation created specifically to glorify James as the head of the Church of England. IT IS A POLITICAL CREATION, AND BY NO MEANS A PERFECT TRANSLATION.
James first became King James VI of Scotland then became King James I of England (and thereby head of the Church of England) in 1603. He quickly order a group of men to create a new translation of the Bible as the head of the church. The new Bible was partly based on previous English translations but all the side references were removed because the didn’t glorify James’ rule. Shortly afterward, the first English settlers of this continent – the pilgrims – fled the tyrannical ruler because of his edict that everyone must accept that his newly-created Bible was the one true Bible. They fled, carrying their Geneva Bibles with them, rather than submit to his dictatorial command and accept a Bible that was created for political reasons. They believed God's Word as written without a political agenda!
It is incomprehensible to me that some people still ignore the truth about the King James Bible, despite a) the changes in the English language, over 400+ years, b) the discovery of many new source documents, c) the advances in understanding the ancient languages, d) translation techniques, etc. They still insist that (following James’ royal edict!) there is only one valid English Bible, despite an overwhelming amount of proof to the contrary. The excuse is that God inspired the KJV translators, even though the TRUTH is that they were forced by King James to follow the his political edict. Those people who did not accept the political edict but stayed true to their Christian faith were forced to flee for their lives. (Read that sentence again!)
It completely baffles me that some people still believe that the King James translation is still the only valid translation, ignoring the fact that it was developed solely to establish James as the head of the Church of England and the bastion of Christian truth, rather than seeing it for what it actually was: an instrument of political tyranny. They falsely believe that there was only one time in history that God gave translators perfect understanding (REALLY!), and that every other translation created before or since cannot be valid. To me, that completely defies logic and reason. God is in control!
Even though a) there has been significant change in the English language in 400 years, b) there have been new, important source documents discovered, c) there have been great advances in Biblical scholarship and translation techniques, etc., people still believe the King James edict that his politically-motivated translation is the actual word of God. To me, that is both astonishing and sad!
People actually claim that if any other Bible has different wording than the King James Bible, that wording must be in error. Really!!! Rather than accept the fact that the King James translation is A POLITICAL CREATION, they believe that God gave the translators perfect understanding. Really! In other words, people believe that if another Bible, regardless of the increased number of source documents, utilized the advances in knowledge of the ancient languages, the art/science of Biblical translation differs from the King James translation, those translations are in error! REALLY!!!
I will not continue to discuss this matter with people who falsely believe that God created the King James translation, thereby denying that it actually is not THE BIBLE, but a translation created specifically to glorify James as the head of the Church of England. IT IS A POLITICAL CREATION, AND BY NO MEANS A PERFECT TRANSLATION.
Uh, there are no copyrights on the KJV outside of the UK.
Even in the UK, the government does not profit from the sales, but they are merely out to protect how the KJV is printed and quoted involving the profit by others. But outside the UK, you are basically free to do with the King James Bible as you wish because it is in the public domain. In Modern Bibles, they get monetary kickbacks as a result of the copyrights. This is not the case with the KJV. So yes, they are peddling the Word of God according to the Modern Bible's wrong alteration of 2 Corinthians 2:17.
For the NIV: You are not reading their policy correctly.
Source:
https://www.zondervan.com/about-us/permissions/
The first 500 verses of the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible contain approximately 14,565 words[3].
Sources
[1] Changes to the KJV since 1611: An Illustration https://bible.org/article/changes-kjv-1611an-illustration
[2] KJV, Beautiful Word Bible: 500 Full-Color Illustrated Verses https://faithgateway.com/products/kjv-beautiful-word-bible-ebook-500-full-color-illustrated-verses
[3] POPULAR BIBLE WORDS https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Popular-Bible-Words.php
[4] NIV, Beautiful Word Bible, Hardcover: 500 Full-Color Illustrated Verses https://episcopalshoppe.com/niv-beautiful-word-bible-hardcover-500-full-color-illustrated-verses/
[5] Bible verses including the word or number 500 or more https://www.thelastdialogue.org/article/bible-verses-including-the-word-or-number-500-or-more/
By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/At-what-verse-h69jytZCROeAjxL2NTq0mA
The average person reads about 200 to 300 words per minute. Therefore, it would take approximately 48 to 72 minutes to read 14,565 words[1].
Sources
[1] How Long Does It Take to Record an Audiobook? Number Of Hours Of Work - Charles Bradley https://www.thecharlesbradley.com/how-long-does-it-take-to-record-an-audiobook/
[2] Philosophies of Men Mingled With Scripture: August 2011 http://philosophiesofmen.blogspot.com/2011/08/?m=1
[3] The 66 Minute Bible - Lulu https://www.lulu.com/shop/victor-robert-farrell/the-66-minute-bible/paperback/product-1py4v27k.html
[4] How Long It Takes to Record an Audiobook https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/how-to-record-an-audiobook-guide-74974/
[5] POPULAR BIBLE WORDS https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Popular-Bible-Words.php
By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/At-what-verse-h69jytZCROeAjxL2NTq0mA
The NIV has fewer words than the KJV. If you lived on planet Earth for any amount of time, you would know that generally, people have no trouble listening to an audiobook for a two-hour road trip. So yes, this would include listening to the Bible. So your claim that people would not listen beyond 500 verses (which is beyond Genesis 18:24) would be untrue.
Try looking at an online Christian book store sometime and look at the way they market those Bibles. Surely new and exciting discoveries of Textual Criticism will excite a person to want to get the next version of the ESV, NIV, etcetera. For the NIV, they made one time a change that was for the worse and not for the better just because they discovered a manuscript. They turn off their brains and or hearts to follow what a manuscript says even if it does not make any sense. The NIV (1984) used to say "Filled with compassion, " in context to healing the leper, but now the NIV says that Jesus was indignant (angry) when He healed the leper (See Mark 1:41). Nothing in the context shows that Jesus would justify Jesus doing such a thing. It's a change for the worse and not for the better. But this is a standard theme in Modern Bibles that you all ignore. You shut off all logic because of some new exciting discovery in some cave somewhere.
Even in the UK, the government does not profit from the sales, but they are merely out to protect how the KJV is printed and quoted involving the profit by others. But outside the UK, you are basically free to do with the King James Bible as you wish because it is in the public domain. In Modern Bibles, they get monetary kickbacks as a result of the copyrights. This is not the case with the KJV. So yes, they are peddling the Word of God according to the Modern Bible's wrong alteration of 2 Corinthians 2:17.
For the NIV: You are not reading their policy correctly.
Source:
https://www.zondervan.com/about-us/permissions/
The first 500 verses of the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible contain approximately 14,565 words[3].
Sources
[1] Changes to the KJV since 1611: An Illustration https://bible.org/article/changes-kjv-1611an-illustration
[2] KJV, Beautiful Word Bible: 500 Full-Color Illustrated Verses https://faithgateway.com/products/kjv-beautiful-word-bible-ebook-500-full-color-illustrated-verses
[3] POPULAR BIBLE WORDS https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Popular-Bible-Words.php
[4] NIV, Beautiful Word Bible, Hardcover: 500 Full-Color Illustrated Verses https://episcopalshoppe.com/niv-beautiful-word-bible-hardcover-500-full-color-illustrated-verses/
[5] Bible verses including the word or number 500 or more https://www.thelastdialogue.org/article/bible-verses-including-the-word-or-number-500-or-more/
By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/At-what-verse-h69jytZCROeAjxL2NTq0mA
The average person reads about 200 to 300 words per minute. Therefore, it would take approximately 48 to 72 minutes to read 14,565 words[1].
Sources
[1] How Long Does It Take to Record an Audiobook? Number Of Hours Of Work - Charles Bradley https://www.thecharlesbradley.com/how-long-does-it-take-to-record-an-audiobook/
[2] Philosophies of Men Mingled With Scripture: August 2011 http://philosophiesofmen.blogspot.com/2011/08/?m=1
[3] The 66 Minute Bible - Lulu https://www.lulu.com/shop/victor-robert-farrell/the-66-minute-bible/paperback/product-1py4v27k.html
[4] How Long It Takes to Record an Audiobook https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/how-to-record-an-audiobook-guide-74974/
[5] POPULAR BIBLE WORDS https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Popular-Bible-Words.php
By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/At-what-verse-h69jytZCROeAjxL2NTq0mA
The NIV has fewer words than the KJV. If you lived on planet Earth for any amount of time, you would know that generally, people have no trouble listening to an audiobook for a two-hour road trip. So yes, this would include listening to the Bible. So your claim that people would not listen beyond 500 verses (which is beyond Genesis 18:24) would be untrue.
Try looking at an online Christian book store sometime and look at the way they market those Bibles. Surely new and exciting discoveries of Textual Criticism will excite a person to want to get the next version of the ESV, NIV, etcetera. For the NIV, they made one time a change that was for the worse and not for the better just because they discovered a manuscript. They turn off their brains and or hearts to follow what a manuscript says even if it does not make any sense. The NIV (1984) used to say "Filled with compassion, " in context to healing the leper, but now the NIV says that Jesus was indignant (angry) when He healed the leper (See Mark 1:41). Nothing in the context shows that Jesus would justify Jesus doing such a thing. It's a change for the worse and not for the better. But this is a standard theme in Modern Bibles that you all ignore. You shut off all logic because of some new exciting discovery in some cave somewhere.
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Would you say this is correct-or incorrect brother?
The Committee on Bible Translation (CBT), the team of translators responsible for the New International Version (NIV) Bible, is composed of world-class scholars and leaders in their respective fields. Their goal is to accurately translate the Word of God in a way that enables readers and listeners to hear the Bible as it was originally written, and understand the Bible as it was originally intended.
From the beginning, the translators have been committed to getting the words right. That means being true to the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic of the Bible while at the same time capturing the Bible’s original meaning in natural, everyday English. Each NIV translator believes that the Bible is God’s inspired Word. That conviction, along with their years of studying biblical languages, has helped them capture the depth of meaning in the Bible in a way that is accurate, clear, and trustworthy.
When comparing the NIV with the King James Version (KJV), it would seem that there are some verses “missing” in the NIV (and other trusted translations such as the CEV, CSB, ESV, GNB, HCSB, NET, NLT, etc.). Actually, that is not the case. In 1611, the translators of the KJV used the best resources available to them at that time. For their day, the King James translation was a monumental achievement. However, one of its shortcomings is that the KJV translation committee of 50 scholars drew heavily on William Tyndale’s New Testament. As much as 80% of Tyndale’s translation is reused in the King James version. Tyndale used several sources in his translation of the Old and New Testaments. For the New Testament, he referred to the third edition (1522) of Desiderius Erasmus’s Greek New Testament, often referred to as the Textus Receptus (“Received Text”).
In the years since 1611, many older manuscripts have been discovered and carefully evaluated by scholars. Their conclusion is that the older manuscripts are more reliable. This has given modern translators unprecedented access to manuscripts much closer in time to the original documents. Therefore, translations such as the NIV actually reflect better Bible scholarship than was available in 1611 when the KJV was published.
The verses or phrases that appeared in the KJV, but have been “omitted” in most trusted translations today, are not found in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts. Modern translators include or reference them in footnotes. These footnotes are intended to help the reader understand that certain perceived differences in the text are due to improved biblical scholarship. The treatment of these verses has not changed recently and reflects a consensus among the majority of Bible scholars.
It is important and comforting to note that no doctrines of the Christian faith are affected by differences between the KJV and translations such as the NIV that follow more reliable sources.
Here is a illustrated video we created to better explain:
Additionally, here’s an explanation from Dr. Bill Mounce, who is a member of the Committee on Bible Translation, which oversees the NIV Bible translation.
https://www.biblica.com/resources/b...mit or have missing verses?,-The Committee on
The Committee on Bible Translation (CBT), the team of translators responsible for the New International Version (NIV) Bible, is composed of world-class scholars and leaders in their respective fields. Their goal is to accurately translate the Word of God in a way that enables readers and listeners to hear the Bible as it was originally written, and understand the Bible as it was originally intended.
From the beginning, the translators have been committed to getting the words right. That means being true to the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic of the Bible while at the same time capturing the Bible’s original meaning in natural, everyday English. Each NIV translator believes that the Bible is God’s inspired Word. That conviction, along with their years of studying biblical languages, has helped them capture the depth of meaning in the Bible in a way that is accurate, clear, and trustworthy.
When comparing the NIV with the King James Version (KJV), it would seem that there are some verses “missing” in the NIV (and other trusted translations such as the CEV, CSB, ESV, GNB, HCSB, NET, NLT, etc.). Actually, that is not the case. In 1611, the translators of the KJV used the best resources available to them at that time. For their day, the King James translation was a monumental achievement. However, one of its shortcomings is that the KJV translation committee of 50 scholars drew heavily on William Tyndale’s New Testament. As much as 80% of Tyndale’s translation is reused in the King James version. Tyndale used several sources in his translation of the Old and New Testaments. For the New Testament, he referred to the third edition (1522) of Desiderius Erasmus’s Greek New Testament, often referred to as the Textus Receptus (“Received Text”).
In the years since 1611, many older manuscripts have been discovered and carefully evaluated by scholars. Their conclusion is that the older manuscripts are more reliable. This has given modern translators unprecedented access to manuscripts much closer in time to the original documents. Therefore, translations such as the NIV actually reflect better Bible scholarship than was available in 1611 when the KJV was published.
The verses or phrases that appeared in the KJV, but have been “omitted” in most trusted translations today, are not found in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts. Modern translators include or reference them in footnotes. These footnotes are intended to help the reader understand that certain perceived differences in the text are due to improved biblical scholarship. The treatment of these verses has not changed recently and reflects a consensus among the majority of Bible scholars.
It is important and comforting to note that no doctrines of the Christian faith are affected by differences between the KJV and translations such as the NIV that follow more reliable sources.
Here is a illustrated video we created to better explain:
Additionally, here’s an explanation from Dr. Bill Mounce, who is a member of the Committee on Bible Translation, which oversees the NIV Bible translation.
https://www.biblica.com/resources/b...mit or have missing verses?,-The Committee on
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The Pilgrims were Separatists (unlike the Puritans) so they left England for Holland and then for America, But this translation was created for the glory of God.
"It doth certainly belong unto Kings, yea, it doth specially belong unto them, to have care of Religion, yea, it doth specially belong unto them, to have care of Religion, yea, to know it aright, yea, to profess it zealously, yea to promote it to the uttermost of their power. This is their glory before all nations which mean well, and this will bring unto them a far most excellent weight of glory in the day of the Lord Jesus. " -- The Translators to the Reader.
FAKE NEWS #3
1. The English of the KJB is regarded as modern English (even though there are some archaisms in it). "With some differences in vocabulary, texts which date from the early 17th century, such as the works of William Shakespeare and the King James Bible, are considered Modern English texts, or more specifically, they are referred to as texts which were written in Early Modern English or they are referred to as texts which were written in Elizabethan English. " -- Wikipedia
2, The many "new source documents" are the MOST CORRUPT Greek manuscripts. Study The Revision Revised by John William Burgon.
3. "Advances in ancient languages" have nothing to do with the Hebrew and Greek of the Bible. These languages are NOT ancient since they have been in continuous use since the times of Moses and the Roman empire.
4. The KJB translators had some very accomplished scholars who were experts in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic (as well as several other languages). "To that purpose there were many chosen, that were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and that sought the truth rather than their own praise. Again, they came or were thought to come to the work, not exercendi causa (as one saith) but exercitati, that is, learned, not to learn..." --The Translators to the Reader
4. Modern "translation techniques" such as "dynamic equivalency" are actually meant to corrupt a proper word-for-word translation (which is the KJB).
"It doth certainly belong unto Kings, yea, it doth specially belong unto them, to have care of Religion, yea, it doth specially belong unto them, to have care of Religion, yea, to know it aright, yea, to profess it zealously, yea to promote it to the uttermost of their power. This is their glory before all nations which mean well, and this will bring unto them a far most excellent weight of glory in the day of the Lord Jesus. " -- The Translators to the Reader.
FAKE NEWS #3
1. The English of the KJB is regarded as modern English (even though there are some archaisms in it). "With some differences in vocabulary, texts which date from the early 17th century, such as the works of William Shakespeare and the King James Bible, are considered Modern English texts, or more specifically, they are referred to as texts which were written in Early Modern English or they are referred to as texts which were written in Elizabethan English. " -- Wikipedia
2, The many "new source documents" are the MOST CORRUPT Greek manuscripts. Study The Revision Revised by John William Burgon.
3. "Advances in ancient languages" have nothing to do with the Hebrew and Greek of the Bible. These languages are NOT ancient since they have been in continuous use since the times of Moses and the Roman empire.
4. The KJB translators had some very accomplished scholars who were experts in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic (as well as several other languages). "To that purpose there were many chosen, that were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and that sought the truth rather than their own praise. Again, they came or were thought to come to the work, not exercendi causa (as one saith) but exercitati, that is, learned, not to learn..." --The Translators to the Reader
4. Modern "translation techniques" such as "dynamic equivalency" are actually meant to corrupt a proper word-for-word translation (which is the KJB).