Rapture timing matters?

[GRACE_ambassador]

These debates highlight the complexity of interpreting end-times prophecy and underscore the importance of careful exegesis and consideration of the entirety of Scripture.

Precious friend, does 2 Timothy 2:15 fit somewhere in this equation?

 

[Johann]

Plainly the Wrath of God.

Revelation 16:5-6 NKJV
And I heard the angel of the waters saying: "You are righteous, O Lord, The One who is and who was and who is to be, Because You have judged these things. [6] For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, And You have given them blood to drink. For it is their just due."

Revelation 16:5-6 describes the angel of the waters praising God for his righteous judgment against those who have shed the blood of saints and prophets. The angel acknowledges God's eternal nature as the One who is, who was, and who is to come, and affirms that God's judgment is just and deserved.
The phrase "the One who is and who was and who is to be" is a reference to God's eternal nature and sovereignty over all of history. It emphasizes that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and that his judgment is consistent with his character and purposes.

The angel's statement that God has judged "these things" likely refers to the events described in the preceding verses, where the bowls of God's wrath are poured out on the earth, causing various plagues and disasters. The angel affirms that God's judgment is righteous and just, and that those who have shed the blood of saints and prophets will receive their just punishment.

The phrase "You have given them blood to drink" is a metaphorical expression of the severity of God's judgment against those who have persecuted his people. It is not meant to be taken literally, but rather as a vivid image of the consequences of their actions. The phrase "for it is their just due" emphasizes that God's judgment is not arbitrary or capricious, but is based on the principle of retribution, where those who have done evil will receive the punishment they deserve.
In summary, Revelation 16:5-6 describes the angel of the waters praising God for his righteous judgment against those who have shed the blood of saints and prophets. The passage emphasizes God's eternal nature, the justice of his judgment, and the severity of the consequences for those who have persecuted his people.
J.

 

[Johann]

Precious friend, does 2 Timothy 2:15 fit somewhere in this equation?

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It goes on further to say-

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

I send an SOS to you yesterday that Dispentational studies are under attack-no response.

Why is it under attack? Reformed theology and teachings are under attack and so is Dispentationalism.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

And yet it seems most here have their own, private interpretation-and I might have my own.
Shalom
J.

 

[Johann]

Plainly the Wrath of God.

Revelation 16:5-6 NKJV
And I heard the angel of the waters saying: "You are righteous, O Lord, The One who is and who was and who is to be, Because You have judged these things. [6] For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, And You have given them blood to drink. For it is their just due."

Very bad translation-no offense.

Rev 16:5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
Rev 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Rev 16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Rev 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
Rev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

And to be honest-I am no scholar or expert on eschatology-I leave this to you guys.
J.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Arguments for and against the idea that the Rapture and the Second Coming are the same event are rooted in differing interpretations of Scripture.

We are all familiar with that, but there can be only ONE correct understanding, and that is that the Resurrection/Rapture may occur at any time, and has nothing to do with the Tribulation Period. So it will be before the Tribulation, which consists of divine judgments.

 

[Chaplain_Sam456]

Precious friend, does 2 Timothy 2:15 fit somewhere in this equation?

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Of course, except for the false teaching that "rightly dividing the truth" means dividing NT verses that were written to the Jews from NT verses written to Christians.

Yes we do come to our conclusions using the "whole counsel of Scripture" and putting the correct verses together is how we do this.

 

[Chaplain_Sam456]

We are all familiar with that, but there can be only ONE correct understanding, and that is that the Resurrection/Rapture may occur at any time, and has nothing to do with the Tribulation Period. So it will be before the Tribulation, which consists of divine judgments.

2 Thessalonians 2 says 2 events preceed the Rapture.

 

[Chaplain_Sam456]

Very bad translation-no offense.

Rev 16:5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
Rev 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Rev 16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Rev 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
Rev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

And to be honest-I am no scholar or expert on eschatology-I leave this to you guys.
J.

I've never met anyone else who ever denied the Bowl judgments were the wrath of God.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The real description of the Rapture was described by Jesus and matches the 6th Seal.

How so?

The "6th Seal" ('moon became as blood") does not "match" (in any way) Jesus' "description" where He'd said, "moon shall not give her light"

--namely, in these "descriptions" given, one is "red / blood-colored"... the other is "dark";

--6th Seal's "moon became as blood" corresponds with Joel 2:31's "moon into blood"... and there says it will take place "BEFORE the GREAT" aspect of "the DOTL"... NOT "before" the day of the Lord" IN ITS ENTIRETY (i.e. not before IT STARTS); whereas what Jesus was describing ("moon shall not give her light") is what will take place "AFTER" the GREAT aspect ("after the tribulation of those days... which He'd just talked about the "GREAT tribulation" aspect--so "AFTER" that).

See how these are taking place at wholly DISTINCT time-slots; one "BEFORE the GREAT" aspect; the other "AFTER" the GREAT aspect; And are "DESCRIBED" ( as to appearance) in wholly DISTINCT ways.

Then in Revelation 7, you see the just raptured Body of Christ in Heaven.

This is not "the Church which is His body" here in Rev7.

All I can say is to COMPARE Rev7:15-17 (thereabouts) with that of Isaiah 49:10 (and EARTHLY-located MK-age passage); and notice also that the "FEED" word here (v.17) is the same word that Rev19:15 (said regarding "the nations" [future tense]), where it is translated there as "rule"... so "rule / shepherd / feed" (in the MK age... these believers who came to faith WITHIN / IN / DURING the Trib years--some of whom will have died during the trib [so will be "resurrected" for the MK age]; some of whom will be "still-alive" upon His return [for the MK age]).

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Of course, except for the false teaching that "rightly dividing the truth" means dividing NT verses that were written to the Jews from NT verses written to Christians.

Precious friend, appreciate your evaluation. So, if I may kindly and humbly
ask: in the following example, I have decided to follow Jesus?, you would
definitely "select option C)"?:

( God's Context Of ) prophecy/covenant-law Scriptures, Spoken By Christ
on earth To Twelve apostles for the Twelve tribes Israel:

I have decided to Follow ( The earthly ) Jesus?

A) Do I follow Him, and the doctrine He Spoke as The:

Humble Christ, on the earth, To Israel, 12 apostles, Under The Law/covenants
/Prophecy:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
(Luk 13:3,5 Mar 1:4 24:47)
+
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)
+
3) be water baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luk 3:3, 7:29:30, 24:47;
Act 2:38)
+
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,
+
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
(James 1:1, 2:17,26)
+
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)
+
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
(Mar 10:17-23)
+
8) pray as a watchman, for Great Tribulation, man of sin, son of
perdition, and signs of the end times, and Second Coming?

A) Do I follow His earthly prophecy "faith PLUS works" program
of covenants and law? ( OT, Mat - John, Heb - Rev ) or:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online)

B) Do I follow Him As The Risen And Glorified "Head Of His Church" and ask:

I have decided to Follow ( The Heavenly ) LORD Jesus?

And, His Heavenly Pure Grace Program, According To The
Revelation Of The Mystery? (His Doctrine in Romans - Philemon)

Of course, Under God's Other Context Of Grace for The ( Heavenly ) ONE Body
Of Christ, Which began with ( ONE apostle ) Paul, Baptized By The ONE Spirit,
as the first 'member' of the ONE New man...
(Ephesians 2:15; 1 Timothy 1:16; Romans 11:13; Ephesians 4:5;
1 Corinthians 12:13),

...it is ( as Paul states 21 x ) "But Now":

1) Have repentance toward God (change mind about sin/agree
With God "it is Wrong!") (Acts 20:21)
+
2) Have faith toward The LORD Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21), and trust/believe The
Gospel Of The Grace Of God: His Death ( ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross ),
Burial, And Resurrection, According To The Scripture
(Ephesians 2:5-9; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
+
3) Acknowledge I am Spiritually Baptized By The ONE Baptism Of The Holy Spirit
Into The ONE (Spiritual Organism) Body Of Christ, Seated In the Heavenlies
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; Romans 6:3-4;
1 Corinthians 12:13)
+
4) Acknowledge Christ Is Living in me, so I allow Him to, through me:
+
5) To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor​

as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)​

+
6) Study God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided to show myself "Approved
Unto God" (2 Timothy 2:15), and all the rest of these Bible study rules!
+
7) Work with my hands to "give to them in need," and the LORD
"shall supply all my need"
(Ephesians 4:28; 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12; 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12; 1 Timothy 5:8)
+
8) Be a humble prayer warrior and:
"...look, watch, and Patiently WAIT For..." = The LORD Jesus Christ!
(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25;
1 Corinthians 1:7; Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3;
1 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:5-11; Titus 2:13)
+
9) Put on the FULL armour of God and stand, in the spiritual warfare I
wrestle with (Ephesians 6:10-18)
+
10)

Eph 6:19 "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I​

may open my mouth boldly, to make known the Mystery Of The Gospel,"​

+
11)

Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of The Mystery,​

Which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, Who created​

all things by Jesus Christ"​

+
12) Acknowledge that I am going to give an account at Judgment
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15; Romans 14:12), at my Heavenly Home-Going
( Great GRACE Departure! = false? )

According to these and all the details of God's Sound Doctrinal Blueprint
In Romans Through Philemon? (1 Timothy 1:10; 2 Timothy 4:3; Titus 1:9):

Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:​

Or:

C) Do I speak after following the Many, who homogenize A) + B) into
Massive Confusion?

Final question would be: Which Option, Under Grace Today, should I take
To Honor and Glorify God, Who Plainly and Clear Says in Romans 11:6:

"And if By Grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise​

Grace is no more Grace. But if it be of works, then is it​

no more Grace: otherwise work is no more work."​

​

Precious friend(s), thanks again. I appreciate all your prayerful and
Careful consideration of this Eternally Important Matter.

Amen.

Extra Related study Bonus:

UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

Conclusion:
Big Difference between "Grace In a dispensation" and

"The ( Current ) Dispensation Of The Grace Of God, eh?

Grace And Peace.

Amen.

 

[Chaplain_Sam456]

Precious friend, appreciate your evaluation. So, if I may kindly and humbly
ask: in the following example, I have decided to follow Jesus?, you would
definitely "select option C)"?:

( God's Context Of ) prophecy/covenant-law Scriptures, Spoken By Christ
on earth To Twelve apostles for the Twelve tribes Israel:

I have decided to Follow ( The earthly ) Jesus?

A) Do I follow Him, and the doctrine He Spoke as The:

Humble Christ, on the earth, To Israel, 12 apostles, Under The Law/covenants
/Prophecy:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
(Luk 13:3,5 Mar 1:4 24:47)
+
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)
+
3) be water baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luk 3:3, 7:29:30, 24:47;
Act 2:38)
+
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,
+
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
(James 1:1, 2:17,26)
+
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)
+
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
(Mar 10:17-23)
+
8) pray as a watchman, for Great Tribulation, man of sin, son of
perdition, and signs of the end times, and Second Coming?

A) Do I follow His earthly prophecy "faith PLUS works" program
of covenants and law? ( OT, Mat - John, Heb - Rev ) or:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online)

B) Do I follow Him As The Risen And Glorified "Head Of His Church" and ask:

I have decided to Follow ( The Heavenly ) LORD Jesus?

And, His Heavenly Pure Grace Program, According To The
Revelation Of The Mystery? (His Doctrine in Romans - Philemon)

Of course, Under God's Other Context Of Grace for The ( Heavenly ) ONE Body
Of Christ, Which began with ( ONE apostle ) Paul, Baptized By The ONE Spirit,
as the first 'member' of the ONE New man...
(Ephesians 2:15; 1 Timothy 1:16; Romans 11:13; Ephesians 4:5;
1 Corinthians 12:13),

...it is ( as Paul states 21 x ) "But Now":

1) Have repentance toward God (change mind about sin/agree
With God "it is Wrong!") (Acts 20:21)
+
2) Have faith toward The LORD Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21), and trust/believe The
Gospel Of The Grace Of God: His Death ( ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross ),
Burial, And Resurrection, According To The Scripture
(Ephesians 2:5-9; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
+
3) Acknowledge I am Spiritually Baptized By The ONE Baptism Of The Holy Spirit
Into The ONE (Spiritual Organism) Body Of Christ, Seated In the Heavenlies
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; Romans 6:3-4;
1 Corinthians 12:13)
+
4) Acknowledge Christ Is Living in me, so I allow Him to, through me:
+
5) To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor​

as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)​

+
6) Study God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided to show myself "Approved
Unto God" (2 Timothy 2:15), and all the rest of these Bible study rules!
+
7) Work with my hands to "give to them in need," and the LORD
"shall supply all my need"
(Ephesians 4:28; 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12; 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12; 1 Timothy 5:8)
+
8) Be a humble prayer warrior and:
"...look, watch, and Patiently WAIT For..." = The LORD Jesus Christ!
(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25;
1 Corinthians 1:7; Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3;
1 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:5-11; Titus 2:13)
+
9) Put on the FULL armour of God and stand, in the spiritual warfare I
wrestle with (Ephesians 6:10-18)
+
10)

Eph 6:19 "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I​

may open my mouth boldly, to make known the Mystery Of The Gospel,"​

+
11)

Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of The Mystery,​

Which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, Who created​

all things by Jesus Christ"​

+
12) Acknowledge that I am going to give an account at Judgment
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15; Romans 14:12), at my Heavenly Home-Going
( Great GRACE Departure! = false? )

According to these and all the details of God's Sound Doctrinal Blueprint
In Romans Through Philemon? (1 Timothy 1:10; 2 Timothy 4:3; Titus 1:9):

Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:​

Or:

C) Do I speak after following the Many, who homogenize A) + B) into
Massive Confusion?

Final question would be: Which Option, Under Grace Today, should I take
To Honor and Glorify God, Who Plainly and Clear Says in Romans 11:6:

"And if By Grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise​

Grace is no more Grace. But if it be of works, then is it​

no more Grace: otherwise work is no more work."​

​

Precious friend(s), thanks again. I appreciate all your prayerful and
Careful consideration of this Eternally Important Matter.

Amen.

Extra Related study Bonus:

UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

Conclusion:
Big Difference between "Grace In a dispensation" and

"The ( Current ) Dispensation Of The Grace Of God, eh?

Grace And Peace.

Amen.

How do you think people should be able to understand God's Holy Word?

Should we check with college professors before understanding the plain reading of Scripture?

It is my contention the Bible can be understood by reading it with the Holy Spirit as our guide.

You create complexity where there is none.

Jesus said, "And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!"
Mark 13:37 NKJV

 

[Chaplain_Sam456]

How so?

The "6th Seal" ('moon became as blood") does not "match" (in any way) Jesus' "description" where He'd said, "moon shall not give her light"

--namely, in these "descriptions" given, one is "red / blood-colored"... the other is "dark";

--6th Seal's "moon became as blood" corresponds with Joel 2:31's "moon into blood"... and there says it will take place "BEFORE the GREAT" aspect of "the DOTL"... NOT "before" the day of the Lord" IN ITS ENTIRETY (i.e. not before IT STARTS); whereas what Jesus was describing ("moon shall not give her light") is what will take place "AFTER" the GREAT aspect ("after the tribulation of those days... which He'd just talked about the "GREAT tribulation" aspect--so "AFTER" that).

See how these are taking place at wholly DISTINCT time-slots; one "BEFORE the GREAT" aspect; the other "AFTER" the GREAT aspect; And are "DESCRIBED" ( as to appearance) in wholly DISTINCT ways.



This is not "the Church which is His body" here in Rev7.

All I can say is to COMPARE Rev7:15-17 (thereabouts) with that of Isaiah 49:10 (and EARTHLY-located MK-age passage); and notice also that the "FEED" word here (v.17) is the same word that Rev19:15 (said regarding "the nations" [future tense]), where it is translated there as "rule"... so "rule / shepherd / feed" (in the MK age... these believers who came to faith WITHIN / IN / DURING the Trib years--some of whom will have died during the trib [so will be "resurrected" for the MK age]; some of whom will be "still-alive" upon His return [for the MK age]).

Maybe I am too simple, but I see it clearly.

I spent 27 years teaching the Bible to inmates and the Bible is a lot easier to understand than you seem to think.

So many times they ended up showing me truth because they can study the Bible all day every day. I don't have that luxury because I work for a living.

I guess I should have discounted anything they said to me because they didn't have any degrees in the Bible.

 

[Chaplain_Sam456]

Are there any lifelong Bible students who see the Rapture at the 6th Seal?

I would love to ask some questions of you.

I also have some conjecture about how current events are shaping up in light of Bible prophecy that I would love to "iron sharpens iron" confer about.

 

[Chaplain_Sam456]

 

[Edify]

I can't believe my eyes... there's some on here putting their 'likes' on both sides of the Op.
It makes me think that the modern church is in worse shape than I thought.
Come quickly Lord Jesus!

 

[Chaplain_Sam456]

It goes on further to say-

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

I send an SOS to you yesterday that Dispentational studies are under attack-no response.

Why is it under attack? Reformed theology and teachings are under attack and so is Dispentationalism.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

And yet it seems most here have their own, private interpretation-and I might have my own.
Shalom
J.

I believe we will understand more about Bible prophecy as we move towards those days. The sealed book is unsealed for those who will be that end time generation. I believe this is us and Jesus told us about His Second Coming in Matthew 24, no matter what "system" is applied to the Bible to erase His clear words to us.

Mark 13:37 NKJV, Jesus said, "And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!"

What does the word ALL mean?

 

[Chaplain_Sam456]

I can't believe my eyes... there's some on here putting their 'likes' on both sides of the Op.
It makes me think that the modern church is in worse shape than I thought.
Come quickly Lord Jesus!

I can give a thumbs up to either side if grace is shown in their answers.

 

[Chaplain_Sam456]

Revelation 16:5-6 describes the angel of the waters praising God for his righteous judgment against those who have shed the blood of saints and prophets. The angel acknowledges God's eternal nature as the One who is, who was, and who is to come, and affirms that God's judgment is just and deserved.
The phrase "the One who is and who was and who is to be" is a reference to God's eternal nature and sovereignty over all of history. It emphasizes that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and that his judgment is consistent with his character and purposes.

The angel's statement that God has judged "these things" likely refers to the events described in the preceding verses, where the bowls of God's wrath are poured out on the earth, causing various plagues and disasters. The angel affirms that God's judgment is righteous and just, and that those who have shed the blood of saints and prophets will receive their just punishment.

The phrase "You have given them blood to drink" is a metaphorical expression of the severity of God's judgment against those who have persecuted his people. It is not meant to be taken literally, but rather as a vivid image of the consequences of their actions. The phrase "for it is their just due" emphasizes that God's judgment is not arbitrary or capricious, but is based on the principle of retribution, where those who have done evil will receive the punishment they deserve.
In summary, Revelation 16:5-6 describes the angel of the waters praising God for his righteous judgment against those who have shed the blood of saints and prophets. The passage emphasizes God's eternal nature, the justice of his judgment, and the severity of the consequences for those who have persecuted his people.
J.

Actually it is literally accurate because the water (that people need to live) has been turned to blood.

 

[Johann]

I believe we will understand more about Bible prophecy as we move towards those days. The sealed book is unsealed for those who will be that end time generation. I believe this is us and Jesus told us about His Second Coming in Matthew 24, no matter what "system" is applied to the Bible to erase His clear words to us.

Mark 13:37 NKJV, Jesus said, "And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!"

What does the word ALL mean?

I say unto all," (pasin lego)
J.

 

[Edify]

I can give a thumbs up to either side if grace is shown in their answers.

I cannot. If we should make our answers "yes,yes, or no,no, then our stance on the Word should reflect that.
Even though I like these folks who are are on both sided of the Op, I do not agree with their stance, for it deviates away from their examples, ruining their testimony.