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Your question raises profound theological questions about human worthiness before God and the nature of salvation through Christ. Here, I will attempt to provide a brief overview of the biblical perspective on these topics.
Federal Headship: According to the doctrine of federal headship, Adam represents humanity as the first man, and Christ serves as the last Adam, representing redeemed humanity. As the representative of humankind, Adam's sin resulted in condemnation for all humans, whereas Christ's obedience brings redemption and reconciliation to those who place their trust in Him.
Unregenerate Humans: The Bible teaches that apart from Christ, humans are unable to please God or earn salvation through their own efforts. Instead, we are sinners deserving of divine wrath and punishment.
God's Love, Mercy, Compassion, and Grace: Despite our unworthiness, God extends His love, mercy, compassion, and grace to us through Christ. The Bible reveals that God loves us so much that He sent His Son to die for our sins, thereby making it possible for us to receive forgiveness and eternal life.
Justification Through Faith: We cannot become acceptable to God through our own merits or works. Rather, justification comes through faith in Christ, whose death and resurrection secure our salvation.
Sanctification: Once justified by faith, Christians begin a process of sanctification, wherein the Holy Spirit transforms us into the image of Christ, enabling us to live lives pleasing to God.
In summary, despite our unworthiness, God offers His love, mercy, compassion, and grace to us through Christ. Our acceptance before God comes not through our own merits but through faith in Christ, who died for our sins and rose again to give us new life.
J.
Federal Headship: According to the doctrine of federal headship, Adam represents humanity as the first man, and Christ serves as the last Adam, representing redeemed humanity. As the representative of humankind, Adam's sin resulted in condemnation for all humans, whereas Christ's obedience brings redemption and reconciliation to those who place their trust in Him.
Unregenerate Humans: The Bible teaches that apart from Christ, humans are unable to please God or earn salvation through their own efforts. Instead, we are sinners deserving of divine wrath and punishment.
God's Love, Mercy, Compassion, and Grace: Despite our unworthiness, God extends His love, mercy, compassion, and grace to us through Christ. The Bible reveals that God loves us so much that He sent His Son to die for our sins, thereby making it possible for us to receive forgiveness and eternal life.
Justification Through Faith: We cannot become acceptable to God through our own merits or works. Rather, justification comes through faith in Christ, whose death and resurrection secure our salvation.
Sanctification: Once justified by faith, Christians begin a process of sanctification, wherein the Holy Spirit transforms us into the image of Christ, enabling us to live lives pleasing to God.
In summary, despite our unworthiness, God offers His love, mercy, compassion, and grace to us through Christ. Our acceptance before God comes not through our own merits but through faith in Christ, who died for our sins and rose again to give us new life.
J.
Yes,
Justification is a legal term, It literally means declared righteous or innocent.
We need to learn before he tests us, You do not give a person a test until they are prepared to pass it
God does not need to test us. Its not a competition to see who deserves heaven and who does not. No one deserves heaven
Justification is a legal term, It literally means declared righteous or innocent.
We need to learn before he tests us, You do not give a person a test until they are prepared to pass it
God does not need to test us. Its not a competition to see who deserves heaven and who does not. No one deserves heaven
Being sanctified occurs the moment one calls upon the name of the Lord for salvation and receives the Holy Spirit. Paul tells the carnal Christians at Corinth that they are sanctified. Sanctified means to be set apart.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Well I believe in free will
However, I also believe that salvation is not something we can earn. nor lose. it is a gift of God.
So God either saves you, or he does not save you.. He does not kick you out of his family because you do not meet his standard. You never did to begin with. and never will
Its only silly if you do not understand the truth about what salvation is..
We are predestined to be conformed to him image,
Does God fail? Or did he who began a good work in us, who promised to complete it. Fail to complete it?
Which baptism? HS Baptism, or baptism in water?
they are two different things
I think this comes from all sides.. We should just stick to the word and keep the insults out of it..
However, I also believe that salvation is not something we can earn. nor lose. it is a gift of God.
So God either saves you, or he does not save you.. He does not kick you out of his family because you do not meet his standard. You never did to begin with. and never will
Its only silly if you do not understand the truth about what salvation is..
We are predestined to be conformed to him image,
Does God fail? Or did he who began a good work in us, who promised to complete it. Fail to complete it?
Which baptism? HS Baptism, or baptism in water?
they are two different things
I think this comes from all sides.. We should just stick to the word and keep the insults out of it..
And that, brother, I consider a more biblical view. 
The only thing I would add to what I highlighted above is that God extends His love, mercy, compassion, and grace to us through, in and by Christ. And I do so based on the exceedingly broad teaching of Christ's preeminence in all things in Rom 11:36.
The only thing I would add to what I highlighted above is that God extends His love, mercy, compassion, and grace to us through, in and by Christ. And I do so based on the exceedingly broad teaching of Christ's preeminence in all things in Rom 11:36.-
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What?
The truth was God was going to give them a new land,
They proved from the time they hit the red sea until they refused to walk in due to unbeliefe, they never had faith in God to keep his promise
You will be waiting awhile. they do not prove your case.
We are saved by grace through faith
if you have no faith (it is dead) your not saved,
period.
Also. I suggest you cut the attitude.. Your doing what you are saying everyone else is doing to you..
The truth was God was going to give them a new land,
They proved from the time they hit the red sea until they refused to walk in due to unbeliefe, they never had faith in God to keep his promise
You will be waiting awhile. they do not prove your case.
We are saved by grace through faith
if you have no faith (it is dead) your not saved,
period.
Also. I suggest you cut the attitude.. Your doing what you are saying everyone else is doing to you..
There are two types of sanctification.
Positional sanctification (in Christ) we are set apart from the world (1 cor 6: 11)
we are also in the process off being sanctified (heb 10: 14) It is the process of Christian growth, as we grow in christ. and our conditional sanctification gets closer to our positional sanctification
In the end, they will both be equal. this is called glorification
Positional sanctification (in Christ) we are set apart from the world (1 cor 6: 11)
we are also in the process off being sanctified (heb 10: 14) It is the process of Christian growth, as we grow in christ. and our conditional sanctification gets closer to our positional sanctification
In the end, they will both be equal. this is called glorification
Are you struggling with something, or is it, you have to many people put you in an impossible position in the past.
When Samuel anointed Saul as the king of Isreal
He predicted the spirit of the lord would come upon him and he would prophesy,
And Samuel said to saul you will be change into a different person.
What happend to king Saul ?
Would you agree at some point king Saul was a prophet to.
Are you going to say Saul never had faith to.
When Samuel anointed Saul as the king of Isreal
He predicted the spirit of the lord would come upon him and he would prophesy,
And Samuel said to saul you will be change into a different person.
What happend to king Saul ?
Would you agree at some point king Saul was a prophet to.
Are you going to say Saul never had faith to.
Hi Folks, below you'll find a link that will refute the eight major arguments against the doctrine of Predestination. These eight arguments typically are:
1. That it is Fatalism
2. That it is Inconsistent with the Free Agency and Moral Responsibility of Man
3. That it Makes God the Author of Sin
4. That it Discourages All Motives to Exertion
5. That it Represents God as a Respecter of Persons or as Unjustly Partial
6. That it is Unfavorable to Good Morality
7. That it Precludes a Sincere Offer of the Gospel to the Non-Elect
8. That it Contradicts the Universalistic Scripture Passages
The writer of this long article is Loraine Boettner. Some of these arguments are closely worded, so if anyone desires to read through these, you'll have to "gird up the loins of your mind", for we are traversing deep theological waters.
https://www.the-highway.com/objections1_Boettner.html
1. That it is Fatalism
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2. That it is Inconsistent with the Free Agency and Moral Responsibility of Man
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3. That it Makes God the Author of Sin
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4. That it Discourages All Motives to Exertion
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5. That it Represents God as a Respecter of Persons or as Unjustly Partial
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6. That it is Unfavorable to Good Morality
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7. That it Precludes a Sincere Offer of the Gospel to the Non-Elect
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8. That it Contradicts the Universalistic Scripture Passages
The writer of this long article is Loraine Boettner. Some of these arguments are closely worded, so if anyone desires to read through these, you'll have to "gird up the loins of your mind", for we are traversing deep theological waters.
https://www.the-highway.com/objections1_Boettner.html
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Yes, being sanctified does occur when an individual calls upon the name of the Lord for salvation and receives the Holy Spirit, as described in your question. The verse from 1 Corinthians 6:11 supports this understanding: "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God" (emphasis added).
In this context, Paul is addressing the church members at Corinth who had previously lived a life characterized by sinful behavior before converting to Christianity. He reminds them that through faith in Christ and receiving the Holy Spirit, they have been transformed—they are now cleansed ("washed"), made holy or sanctified, and declared righteous ("justified"). This transformation happens immediately upon accepting Christ's offer of salvation.
The term "sanctification," which refers to being set apart, implies that believers are no longer bound by their former lives of sin; rather, they belong to God and are consecrated for His purposes. In Christian theology, sanctification is often divided into two aspects: positional sanctification, which occurs at conversion, and progressive sanctification, whereby believers continue to grow in holiness throughout their lives. However, it should be noted that both aspects stem from the initial act of calling on the name of the Lord and receiving the Holy Spirit.
Sanctification, in the context of Christianity, refers to the state of being set apart for God's special use and purpose. It encompasses both a definite act of separation from sin at the point of salvation and a continuous process of growing in holiness throughout one's life.
At the core of sanctification lies the concept of being made holy, which is achieved through the work of God's grace. When an individual believes in Jesus Christ and receives the Holy Spirit, they are considered sanctified, meaning they are set apart for God's service and are no longer subject to the power of sin (definitive sanctification)
However, sanctification also includes a progressive element, wherein believers strive to grow in holiness and conform to the image of Christ. This ongoing process requires the participation of both God and the believer, as God continues to work within the believer while the believer cooperates by submitting to the Holy Spirit and engaging in activities that promote spiritual growth
In summary, sanctification is the state of being separated unto God, both as a once-for-all event at salvation and as a lifelong journey of growing in holiness. It is initiated by God's grace and requires the cooperation of the believer.
In this context, Paul is addressing the church members at Corinth who had previously lived a life characterized by sinful behavior before converting to Christianity. He reminds them that through faith in Christ and receiving the Holy Spirit, they have been transformed—they are now cleansed ("washed"), made holy or sanctified, and declared righteous ("justified"). This transformation happens immediately upon accepting Christ's offer of salvation.
The term "sanctification," which refers to being set apart, implies that believers are no longer bound by their former lives of sin; rather, they belong to God and are consecrated for His purposes. In Christian theology, sanctification is often divided into two aspects: positional sanctification, which occurs at conversion, and progressive sanctification, whereby believers continue to grow in holiness throughout their lives. However, it should be noted that both aspects stem from the initial act of calling on the name of the Lord and receiving the Holy Spirit.
Sanctification, in the context of Christianity, refers to the state of being set apart for God's special use and purpose. It encompasses both a definite act of separation from sin at the point of salvation and a continuous process of growing in holiness throughout one's life.
At the core of sanctification lies the concept of being made holy, which is achieved through the work of God's grace. When an individual believes in Jesus Christ and receives the Holy Spirit, they are considered sanctified, meaning they are set apart for God's service and are no longer subject to the power of sin (definitive sanctification)
However, sanctification also includes a progressive element, wherein believers strive to grow in holiness and conform to the image of Christ. This ongoing process requires the participation of both God and the believer, as God continues to work within the believer while the believer cooperates by submitting to the Holy Spirit and engaging in activities that promote spiritual growth
In summary, sanctification is the state of being separated unto God, both as a once-for-all event at salvation and as a lifelong journey of growing in holiness. It is initiated by God's grace and requires the cooperation of the believer.
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