Christian Nationalist Movement in the United States
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You don't have to convince me about the demonrats. I'm 100% with you on them.
But look at all the Christian values the right violates:
Lining the pockets of the rich at the expense of the working class and poor (I've got a list of 63 verses/passages that explicitly speak against that).
Immorality - How many wives has trump had? Boebert at the play? The accusations against Gaetz? How many republicans visited Epstien Island via the lolita express? The right is just as guilty as the left on this count. Difference is, the dems promote it, the right opposes it in word but not in practice.
Self idolatry - One word - trump. OK another word - billionaire.
The legitimate poor (not the lazy) - stripping away food, housing, and medical services, to pay for he cost of lining the pockets of the rich (not that he government was handling those efficiently).
The sick - stripping away access to medical services. Honestly, I can't see how Christians can support for-profit medical services, and limit it to only those who can afford it.
Foreigners? This is a sticky wicket. We are charged to be good stewards of what God gives us, so we are not to give away the farm here, but nonetheless God says we are to welcome the foreigner. And He didn't limit it to those who do the right paperwork.
Embracing lies and hypocrisy - We can't entertain Obummers supreme court nominee with 8 months to go to an election, but we can entertain trumps nominee with much less time to go? The rights own audits, judges, and recounts find no fraud, yet in the face of that the right still insists there was fraud? And no, not all of those cases were dismissed on grounds of jurisdiction. Trust me, if there was true fraud, SOME right wing judge would have run with it. And preaching freedom? Not for everyone, they aren't. They just want THEIR freedom, while stripping freedom away from those they oppose. Voltaire had it right - "I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". THAT'S WHAT A PATRIOT SOUNDS LIKE. Jesus told us how to live, but He never forced anyone to live it. He gave people the freedom to sin if that's what they really wanted. The right wants to force their morality. They say if a republican doesn't want to own a gun he doesn't buy one, but the dems don't want to own a gun they want to force everyone to not have one. But the other side of that coin is that the dems allow gay marriage, and if they aren't gay they don't get one. But the republicans, if they don't want gay marriage they say NO ONE should get one. How is that any different? No I don't support gay marriage, it's an abomination. But if someone wants one I'm not going to take away their freedom to get one. You can't preach freedom for one side only. That's hypocrisy, and that's not a Christian value. Freedom includes the freedom to sin.
How about the fruit of the Holy Spirit - love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control ... there's extremely little of that going on in maga circles, despite their claim to be 'of God'.
There's another forum I am on, one that has a LOT of anti-Christian sentiment. And the vast majority of it is tied to the policies of the right. The conflation of the elephant and the Cross DOES exist. And you're deceived if you don't think it does.
No, you don't have to convince me of the evil of the left. They're out in the open with it.
But I will try to convince you of the evil of the right. You know, the ones you don't believe exist.
And my friend, if you don't see it, you ARE deceived.
But look at all the Christian values the right violates:
Lining the pockets of the rich at the expense of the working class and poor (I've got a list of 63 verses/passages that explicitly speak against that).
Immorality - How many wives has trump had? Boebert at the play? The accusations against Gaetz? How many republicans visited Epstien Island via the lolita express? The right is just as guilty as the left on this count. Difference is, the dems promote it, the right opposes it in word but not in practice.
Self idolatry - One word - trump. OK another word - billionaire.
The legitimate poor (not the lazy) - stripping away food, housing, and medical services, to pay for he cost of lining the pockets of the rich (not that he government was handling those efficiently).
The sick - stripping away access to medical services. Honestly, I can't see how Christians can support for-profit medical services, and limit it to only those who can afford it.
Foreigners? This is a sticky wicket. We are charged to be good stewards of what God gives us, so we are not to give away the farm here, but nonetheless God says we are to welcome the foreigner. And He didn't limit it to those who do the right paperwork.
Embracing lies and hypocrisy - We can't entertain Obummers supreme court nominee with 8 months to go to an election, but we can entertain trumps nominee with much less time to go? The rights own audits, judges, and recounts find no fraud, yet in the face of that the right still insists there was fraud? And no, not all of those cases were dismissed on grounds of jurisdiction. Trust me, if there was true fraud, SOME right wing judge would have run with it. And preaching freedom? Not for everyone, they aren't. They just want THEIR freedom, while stripping freedom away from those they oppose. Voltaire had it right - "I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". THAT'S WHAT A PATRIOT SOUNDS LIKE. Jesus told us how to live, but He never forced anyone to live it. He gave people the freedom to sin if that's what they really wanted. The right wants to force their morality. They say if a republican doesn't want to own a gun he doesn't buy one, but the dems don't want to own a gun they want to force everyone to not have one. But the other side of that coin is that the dems allow gay marriage, and if they aren't gay they don't get one. But the republicans, if they don't want gay marriage they say NO ONE should get one. How is that any different? No I don't support gay marriage, it's an abomination. But if someone wants one I'm not going to take away their freedom to get one. You can't preach freedom for one side only. That's hypocrisy, and that's not a Christian value. Freedom includes the freedom to sin.
How about the fruit of the Holy Spirit - love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control ... there's extremely little of that going on in maga circles, despite their claim to be 'of God'.
There's another forum I am on, one that has a LOT of anti-Christian sentiment. And the vast majority of it is tied to the policies of the right. The conflation of the elephant and the Cross DOES exist. And you're deceived if you don't think it does.
No, you don't have to convince me of the evil of the left. They're out in the open with it.
But I will try to convince you of the evil of the right. You know, the ones you don't believe exist.
And my friend, if you don't see it, you ARE deceived.
When i see discussion in the past 2-3 pages, i see agreement with some concepts but disagreements with some other details.
We don't have to have full agreement and i don't think that's possible or realistic but on the slider scale of ideals, some people take one negative aspect of a nation, like the Jews and then use that to justify Holocaust.
This is the problem.
Because there are valid points in the rubble of junk that anyone says (including myself) and what we're able to comprehend during text-based communication, but where are we in the scale ultimately?
Have we gone fully on one side of the spectrum or are we somewhere in the middle with our minds intact?
We don't have to have full agreement and i don't think that's possible or realistic but on the slider scale of ideals, some people take one negative aspect of a nation, like the Jews and then use that to justify Holocaust.
This is the problem.
Because there are valid points in the rubble of junk that anyone says (including myself) and what we're able to comprehend during text-based communication, but where are we in the scale ultimately?
Have we gone fully on one side of the spectrum or are we somewhere in the middle with our minds intact?
When i see discussion in the past 2-3 pages, i see agreement with some concepts but disagreements with some other details.
We don't have to have full agreement and i don't think that's possible or realistic but on the slider scale of ideals, some people take one negative aspect of a nation, like the Jews and then use that to justify Holocaust.
This is the problem.
Because there are valid points in the rubble of junk that anyone says (including myself) and what we're able to comprehend during text-based communication, but where are we in the scale ultimately?
Have we gone fully on one side of the spectrum or are we somewhere in the middle with our minds intact?
We don't have to have full agreement and i don't think that's possible or realistic but on the slider scale of ideals, some people take one negative aspect of a nation, like the Jews and then use that to justify Holocaust.
This is the problem.
Because there are valid points in the rubble of junk that anyone says (including myself) and what we're able to comprehend during text-based communication, but where are we in the scale ultimately?
Have we gone fully on one side of the spectrum or are we somewhere in the middle with our minds intact?
The reason I am so passionate about what I present is because the Bible says that His people being deceived, and not prepared for what's coming, WILL COST MANY THEIR SALVATION.
And THAT is a subject I am NOT willing to be silent about.
I've seen your point of view since 2 years ago and i agree with you. I have always agreed with you. You are in the center and good for you. I'm there too.
I'm saying that the general convo in the last 2 pages has valid points from all sides, except the holocaust denier guy who has lost his mind.
I'm saying that the general convo in the last 2 pages has valid points from all sides, except the holocaust denier guy who has lost his mind.
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Well there's a lot on here and like with Gb9 (sorry if others know him by name) it can get crossed up. You may have read where I said we need to stop comparing people to Hitler. I believe we desecrate the memory of the Holocaust and those who lost their lives when we use his name sort of in vain, for lack of a better word right now. But the poster is literally denying the Holocaust here and using every talking point I've heard from white supremacists. Nazi is another word I try not to throw around just because I dislike a person or their politics. That being said there are actual Nazi's still out there. I don't know what else you would call a flat out Holocaust denier, you??
I don't think what I believe about history has anything to do with my faith first of all. I have been thinking about Germany under Hitler and whether they were righteous or not. It was not a Christian movement, and Hitler did not profess any significant faith in God. The Germans were encouraged to exercise and stay out of useless and degenerate things. Most of them were from cultural Christian backgrounds, and Hitler did not oppose that.
Generally, the United States government lies about everything and manipulates the public into going to war. It's kind of funny to look at how things work when there's ample proof exposed to show the government was lying. The most public, polite sources of information will go on repeating the initial, government narrative. You can take Pearl Harbor as an example. It was proclaimed to the public that this was a surprise attack that we could have never seen coming. The documents have come out proving that they knew about it in advance and wanted it to happen as an excuse to go to war. How many Pearl Harbor documentaries will talk about this now?
Trump actually had some info related to the JFK assassination and other things declassified. The government narrative about Oswald accurately shooting a crank-style gun 3 times in about 8 seconds wasn't true. Apparently, all the "crazy conspiracy theorists" who can use a little common sense and question this stuff were actually right about something. The documents stated there was a shooter on a pedestrian bridge in front of Kennedy who shot him in the neck. You can see in the footage his head bounces back and he raises his hand up to his neck. He was then shot from the side by another shooter. This proves that in 1963 the US government was lying about something as important as the president being assassinated.
These documents also confirmed some other crazy conspiracy theory you could find on obscure places of the internet. These documents stated that Hitler escaped to Argentina and lived out the rest of his life there in a German community. The Soviets claimed to have the burnt body of Hitler, but DNA testing determined the corpse was that of a woman. Do we continue with the Hitler shot himself in the head story, or do we acknowledge the existence of these documents in addition to all the "conspiracy theorist" stuff that was already being shared about this? It's kind of odd how they just left Hitler and Argentina alone all this time.
Anyway, the gypsies were thrown in camps. Maybe we should focus on the plight of the gypsies instead. Let's just grant them a territory in India or Pakistan or wherever we think they came from and start persecuting the current inhabitants of that place. We'll use the media to always take the side of the gypsies and run cover for anything bad they do. Meanwhile, the inhabitants will be demonized and condemned by the media to the point that it's okay for people to call for killing all of them.
Even if all this holocaust stuff is true, why are we more concerned with that than the Holodomor? The official story is that 10 million people were starved to death in Ukraine by the communist government; that's 4 million more people than the official Jewish holocaust number of 6 million. That means it's more important. We need a constant reminder of the 10 million, and we need Hollywood movies about how evil the Soviet communists were. We need to warn people of the far-left and how their ideology results in 10 million dead Ukrainians. The current Democrat president is literally Stalin with a diaper.
The Hitler and holocaust stuff is a bunch of propaganda. I used to believe it as a child and went along without questioning. Now today they've ramped up this nonsense to the point where anything sane, practical, and reasonable is literally Hitler. You can't be a conservative or a Christian without being called Nazi or Hitler by crazed leftists. Oddly, the people who literally went and fought against Hitler would be getting called Nazis these days if you consider their beliefs and values. Now that I know factually that the communists of the Soviet Union were worse than even the stuff they claim Hitler and the Germans did, I can't get my emotions to line up with this and have that same feeling of apprehension I used to get with the Hitler/Nazi stuff. There just hasn't been a lifetime of propaganda to support this reality.
Evil is evil and the righteousness of men is like menstrual rags to God. The only way to be counted as righteous is to trust in God's only begotten Son, Jesus. Later he became the first born among many brothers, and if you trust in him, you can be one of his brothers or sisters. It seems rarely does a leader in this world adhere to this. Believing any governments narrative and propaganda is not a factor in this.
Generally, the United States government lies about everything and manipulates the public into going to war. It's kind of funny to look at how things work when there's ample proof exposed to show the government was lying. The most public, polite sources of information will go on repeating the initial, government narrative. You can take Pearl Harbor as an example. It was proclaimed to the public that this was a surprise attack that we could have never seen coming. The documents have come out proving that they knew about it in advance and wanted it to happen as an excuse to go to war. How many Pearl Harbor documentaries will talk about this now?
Trump actually had some info related to the JFK assassination and other things declassified. The government narrative about Oswald accurately shooting a crank-style gun 3 times in about 8 seconds wasn't true. Apparently, all the "crazy conspiracy theorists" who can use a little common sense and question this stuff were actually right about something. The documents stated there was a shooter on a pedestrian bridge in front of Kennedy who shot him in the neck. You can see in the footage his head bounces back and he raises his hand up to his neck. He was then shot from the side by another shooter. This proves that in 1963 the US government was lying about something as important as the president being assassinated.
These documents also confirmed some other crazy conspiracy theory you could find on obscure places of the internet. These documents stated that Hitler escaped to Argentina and lived out the rest of his life there in a German community. The Soviets claimed to have the burnt body of Hitler, but DNA testing determined the corpse was that of a woman. Do we continue with the Hitler shot himself in the head story, or do we acknowledge the existence of these documents in addition to all the "conspiracy theorist" stuff that was already being shared about this? It's kind of odd how they just left Hitler and Argentina alone all this time.
Anyway, the gypsies were thrown in camps. Maybe we should focus on the plight of the gypsies instead. Let's just grant them a territory in India or Pakistan or wherever we think they came from and start persecuting the current inhabitants of that place. We'll use the media to always take the side of the gypsies and run cover for anything bad they do. Meanwhile, the inhabitants will be demonized and condemned by the media to the point that it's okay for people to call for killing all of them.
Even if all this holocaust stuff is true, why are we more concerned with that than the Holodomor? The official story is that 10 million people were starved to death in Ukraine by the communist government; that's 4 million more people than the official Jewish holocaust number of 6 million. That means it's more important. We need a constant reminder of the 10 million, and we need Hollywood movies about how evil the Soviet communists were. We need to warn people of the far-left and how their ideology results in 10 million dead Ukrainians. The current Democrat president is literally Stalin with a diaper.
The Hitler and holocaust stuff is a bunch of propaganda. I used to believe it as a child and went along without questioning. Now today they've ramped up this nonsense to the point where anything sane, practical, and reasonable is literally Hitler. You can't be a conservative or a Christian without being called Nazi or Hitler by crazed leftists. Oddly, the people who literally went and fought against Hitler would be getting called Nazis these days if you consider their beliefs and values. Now that I know factually that the communists of the Soviet Union were worse than even the stuff they claim Hitler and the Germans did, I can't get my emotions to line up with this and have that same feeling of apprehension I used to get with the Hitler/Nazi stuff. There just hasn't been a lifetime of propaganda to support this reality.
Evil is evil and the righteousness of men is like menstrual rags to God. The only way to be counted as righteous is to trust in God's only begotten Son, Jesus. Later he became the first born among many brothers, and if you trust in him, you can be one of his brothers or sisters. It seems rarely does a leader in this world adhere to this. Believing any governments narrative and propaganda is not a factor in this.
But Hitler was involved with Occultism, which is the opposite of faith in God.
Occult Roots of Nazism "Reveals how Nazism was influenced by powerful occult sects that thrived in Germany and Austria almost fifty years before Hitler’s rise to power." This book was published by the New York University press.
Occult Roots of Nazism "Reveals how Nazism was influenced by powerful occult sects that thrived in Germany and Austria almost fifty years before Hitler’s rise to power." This book was published by the New York University press.
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Maybe, but its values are something all nations should aspire to.
Killing in mass is widely known for being one of the least Christian behaviors possible, and its very foolish for anyone to pretend this is Christianity. Its just like the Catholic pedo priests idea many people are obsessed with, Im not even Catholic but that thing is extremely exaggerated by the media. There are just as many pedos in other churches and even in secular institutions like public schools but people are so stuck in the Catholic = pedo nonsense they almost criminalize the entire Catholic population.
I never spoke against charity and I agree we as Christians should be charitable. But we can be charitable in many ways. We can also help these people in their places of origin without having to bring them here.
We should be innocent as doves, but we should be wise as serpents too.
Killing in mass is widely known for being one of the least Christian behaviors possible, and its very foolish for anyone to pretend this is Christianity. Its just like the Catholic pedo priests idea many people are obsessed with, Im not even Catholic but that thing is extremely exaggerated by the media. There are just as many pedos in other churches and even in secular institutions like public schools but people are so stuck in the Catholic = pedo nonsense they almost criminalize the entire Catholic population.
I never spoke against charity and I agree we as Christians should be charitable. But we can be charitable in many ways. We can also help these people in their places of origin without having to bring them here.
We should be innocent as doves, but we should be wise as serpents too.
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Totally agree! The US gives more in aid around the world than any other country. We have more charities around the world. We are first on scene of every disaster. I don't have a problem with people who come legally. Some come to stay, as I have, and others go back to their homeland with their learning and skills to help their own people and I think that should be greatly encouraged. Learn skills here take them back and help others. But then these countries need to be held accountable. Remember what was happening in Syria before Trump took office? Love him or hate him he send the MOAB down on that leader and there has been silence there ever since. That is the way America needs to deal with these countries.
The thing is the people coming across the border now are jumping the line in front of people who are coming legally. How is that fair?! It's not. Most Americans don't know about coming here legally. When I came here I had to have a sponsor who would be responsible for me and my actions. I pay taxes even on a greencard status. I am not allowed to go on welfare or any gov't help. Drivers licences have to be renewed here. I cannot vote on a greencard status. If I get into any trouble with the law I will be deported for 10 yrs. We were vetted, they knew everything about us. Years later when we finally did move here all our belongings had to be written out, every single thing we were bringing. It was pages long but they knew everything we had. We had to have all vaccines coming into the country, this was long before COVID. Do you think the people invading our border have had their shots? I told my hubby last year to watch and see if old diseases we had gotten rid of don't come back again, and here we are! And people living in tent cities on sidewalks, that isn't going to spread disease? smh
When I was in the process of coming into the country and I had gotten to the point where they were going to allow me to stay but I didn't yet have my greencard I met my husband. My state would not allow us to marry so we had to drive to TN. and have a mock wedding with a reverend outside the courthouse before we could legally be married in our home state. Then we went back to have a church wedding. So when I see people jumping the line, not vetted, no vaccines, walk in and go on the gov't dole where they get food, work, a place to stay when I paid over a thousand dollars for that same privilege, ya that makes me pretty upset. But more than that I pray every day we don't have another 9/11, I don't want to think who has been allowed into this country. IMO Biden should have been impeached a dozen times for what he has done to this country. I believe he and his cronies meant to do it too. I honestly don't know where we go from here, I just hope the Lord comes quickly.
The thing is the people coming across the border now are jumping the line in front of people who are coming legally. How is that fair?! It's not. Most Americans don't know about coming here legally. When I came here I had to have a sponsor who would be responsible for me and my actions. I pay taxes even on a greencard status. I am not allowed to go on welfare or any gov't help. Drivers licences have to be renewed here. I cannot vote on a greencard status. If I get into any trouble with the law I will be deported for 10 yrs. We were vetted, they knew everything about us. Years later when we finally did move here all our belongings had to be written out, every single thing we were bringing. It was pages long but they knew everything we had. We had to have all vaccines coming into the country, this was long before COVID. Do you think the people invading our border have had their shots? I told my hubby last year to watch and see if old diseases we had gotten rid of don't come back again, and here we are! And people living in tent cities on sidewalks, that isn't going to spread disease? smh
When I was in the process of coming into the country and I had gotten to the point where they were going to allow me to stay but I didn't yet have my greencard I met my husband. My state would not allow us to marry so we had to drive to TN. and have a mock wedding with a reverend outside the courthouse before we could legally be married in our home state. Then we went back to have a church wedding. So when I see people jumping the line, not vetted, no vaccines, walk in and go on the gov't dole where they get food, work, a place to stay when I paid over a thousand dollars for that same privilege, ya that makes me pretty upset. But more than that I pray every day we don't have another 9/11, I don't want to think who has been allowed into this country. IMO Biden should have been impeached a dozen times for what he has done to this country. I believe he and his cronies meant to do it too. I honestly don't know where we go from here, I just hope the Lord comes quickly.