MYSTERY, BABYLON

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zone

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Right. But that's not how I understood StillWaters. She said there are three future comings, at least I thought so.

...and the rapture is not a secret, hasn't been since Paul wrote Corinthians and Thessalonians.
Still is a he.
well, if you factor in the MYSTERY ACTIVITY in the future 1,000 years reign, there are technically 4.

the rapture is the Second Advent & resurrection...no secret snatch where people just disappear.

EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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uhh pretrib futurists have at least three comings..the pre trib rapture....the millenial coming..then the coming after the millenium
Um. No. There is no coming at the rapture./ We meet him, he does not come to us.

His second coming is when he returns at the end of the tribulations and sets up his kingdom.

And then what coming at the end? He is already here.


Thus ONE COMING!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Soooooo....your sayin they think there is 3 commings?
Yup. they are confused. They think we teach something we dont. Because they do not want to actually listen to what we say
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'm a pretrib futurist (heh, I just learned I was a "futurist" today). Christ is returning twice more. Once for the church (rapture) and the well-known return at the end of the trib, when he returns TO the earth for the 1000 year reign.

Not three. Not that I know of anyway.
There is no coming at the rapture. He resurrects us and we meet him. It is not till the end. when he returns to earth. That is one coming. Even if the rapture is post trib. The resurection is not a coming. he still brings us to him, then he comes.
 
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Um. No. There is no coming at the rapture./ We meet him, he does not come to us.

His second coming is when he returns at the end of the tribulations and sets up his kingdom.

And then what coming at the end? He is already here.


Thus ONE COMING!
You all believe in..

1. Pre trib rapture which is a coming.........can't semantic your way outta this.

2.Post trib millenial reign...........which is a second coming..

3. Post millenial reign on earth with new heavens and earth.
 

zone

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Um. No. There is no coming at the rapture./ We meet him, he does not come to us.

His second coming is when he returns at the end of the tribulations and sets up his kingdom.

And then what coming at the end? He is already here.

Thus ONE COMING!
how many Comings is this?:

First Advent
secret rapture
Second Advent
then, if you are a millennialist, you are FORCED to apply Second Advent passages to the end of the 1,000 years!

that makes 4!

even if you don't add a 4th at the end of the futurist 1,000 years thats still 3!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You all believe in..

1. Pre trib rapture which is a coming.........can't semantic your way outta this.

Yeah I can. A coming is a return to earth. Christ does not return to earth. He ressurects us to meet him in heaven


2.Post trib millenial reign...........which is a second coming..
Nope that would be the first. He literally returns to the earth this time, and destroys the armies of satan.

3. Post millenial reign on earth with new heavens and earth.
lol. Wow. Now your pushing it. There is no "old earth" in this eternal state. so how the heck could there be a third coming to a earth that is not there?

where do you get this stuff??
 
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eternally-gratefull

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how many Comings is this?:

First Advent
secret rapture
Second Advent
then, if you are a millennialist, you are FORCED to apply Second Advent passages to the end of the 1,000 years!

that makes 4!

even if you don't add a 4th at the end of the futurist 1,000 years thats still 3!
Well that would be two comings first advent. the coming of the suffering servant. 2nd advent, the coming of the conquering messiah.

the rapture is not a coming, and there is no post world coming. don't know where the heck you get that
 
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1still_waters

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Yeah I can. A coming is a return to earth. Christ does not return to earth. He ressurects us to meet him in heaven


Nope that would be the first. He literally returns to the earth this time, and destroys the armies of satan.

lol. Wow. Now your pushing it. There is no "old earth" in this eternal state. so how the heck could there be a third coming to a earth that is not there?

where do you get this stuff??
You all interpret this literally........Soooooooooooo


1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea existed no longer. 2 I also saw the Holy City, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
 
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1still_waters

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how many Comings is this?:

First Advent
secret rapture
Second Advent
then, if you are a millennialist, you are FORCED to apply Second Advent passages to the end of the 1,000 years!

that makes 4!

even if you don't add a 4th at the end of the futurist 1,000 years thats still 3!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I would rather follow darby and scofield that antisemetics who reject a literal interpretation of the word.


(waits to get slammed for calling someone on here an antisemetic)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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By the way still. You can't dismantal me. You can try all you want. But you can't. My faith is secure. it is sound, and it is founded on literal interpretation of scripture.

So why you have that fancy little link to show people how to dismantal me is kinda odd. But hey. So be it.
 
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1still_waters

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I would rather follow darby and scofield that antisemetics who reject a literal interpretation of the word.


(waits to get slammed for calling someone on here an antisemetic)
Sounds like political correctness to me.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You all interpret this literally........Soooooooooooo


1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea existed no longer. 2 I also saw the Holy City, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
what you saying that is not going to happen?

What happe3ned to the old earth??


1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.

How can God return to something that is not there??

This is called twisting things to try to discredit someone!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Sounds like political correctness to me.
you want to see where you belief comes from. and the hate the people who made your belief had for t=the jews.

Martin Luther - On the Jews and Their Lies

someone told me hitler got his ideas of how to punish the jews from this. I could not believe it, then I read it. i was appalled at the amount of hate someone who calls himself a christian could have for someone else. As all christians should be
 
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1still_waters

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what you saying that is not going to happen?

What happe3ned to the old earth??


1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.

How can God return to something that is not there??

This is called twisting things to try to discredit someone!
In your rapture, he returns to you in the clouds.

Then after your tribulation he returns/comes to even more people and they reign.

Then after that, the new heavens and earth comes and Jesus comes yet again.

At least according to ye ole darby n schofield.
 
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1still_waters

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you want to see where you belief comes from. and the hate the people who made your belief had for t=the jews.

Martin Luther - On the Jews and Their Lies

someone told me hitler got his ideas of how to punish the jews from this. I could not believe it, then I read it. i was appalled at the amount of hate someone who calls himself a christian could have for someone else. As all christians should be
Oh that's nonsense. My Bible says to love everyone. Even unbelieving Jews who reject their Messiah.
 
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1still_waters

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It's not anti semitic to say God will judge Jews who crucified and rejected Jesus.

Yes bad people used that truth as a means to harm Jews,but that doesn't mean the truth is evil. It just means evil people used that truth.
 

zone

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I would rather follow darby and scofield that antisemetics who reject a literal interpretation of the word.
(waits to get slammed for calling someone on here an antisemetic)
well, at least you say where you stand.

what people don't seem to realize is that Darbyite and Scofield's dispensationalism HURTS JEWS, as it keeps them separate from the church, and tells them their King and messiah has not come (see John Hagee: jews don't need Jesus) - Dual Covenant heresy.

Christian Zionism is anti-jew (since the term 'antisemitism' doesn't apply - 90 % of those who identity as JEWS are not semitic and never set foot in palestine until 1948).





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well, at least you say where you stand.

what people don't seem to realize is that Darbyite and Scofield's dispensationalism HURTS JEWS, as it keeps them separate from the church, and tells them their King and messiah has not come (see John Hagee: jews don't need Jesus) - Dual Covenant heresy.

Christian Zionism is anti-jew (since the term 'antisemitism' doesn't apply - 90 % of those who identity as JEWS are not semitic and never set foot in palestine until 1948).





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Medieval Kingdom of Khazaria, 652-1016


Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars. After their conversion, the Khazar people used Jewish personal names, spoke and wrote in Hebrew, were circumcised, had synagogues and rabbis, studied the Torah and Talmud, and observed Hanukkah, Pesach, and the Sabbath. The Khazars were an advanced civilization with one of the most tolerant societies of the medieval period. It hosted merchants from all over Asia and Europe. On these pages it is hoped that you may learn more about this fascinating culture.

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Thats funny. When some friend of mine were in jerusalem. They were in a store and was asking the owner if he was excited about the temple being rebuilt. The owner was amazed that a chrsitian would believe this. They asked the guy if he ever read daniel. He said daniel is not alowed to be read, nor is it any longer a part of their scripture. And then they gave him the gospel.

premilenialism does not hurt jews. This is again another twist to try to discredit people. I have many jew friends who are saved. they too are looking forward to Christ's return. and sa;lvation of ALl their people. But they do not wait. they give the gospel now.