Women Pastors

[Stan_the_Man]

I personally believe a Church must be a Biblical Church, for it to be valid

Exactly, fake "churches" have a fake holy spirit which is a low level devil.

You haven't finished your homework yet.

Opinions that are in opposition to what God's Word says come from darkness.

 

[Dino246]

Opinions that are in opposition to what God's Word says come from darkness.

You aren't going to get out of doing your homework by throwing shade.

 

[Snackersmom]

I'm still waiting for somebody to present a single shred of evidence that God allows Children to join the Church.

1 John 2:

12 I write to you, little children,
Because your sins are forgiven you for His name’s sake.
13 I write to you, fathers,
Because you have known Him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men,
Because you have overcome the wicked one.
I write to you, little children,
Because you have known the Father.
14 I have written to you, fathers,
Because you have known Him who is from the beginning.
I have written to you, young men,
Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you,
And you have overcome the wicked one.


If the Apostle John was writing to the kids, sounds like he considered them part of the church . And it's clear he's talking to actual kids because he addressed them separately from the fathers and young men. There are more such verses, but if you don't accept this one I doubt you would accept the others so I shall waste my time no further. But I do hope that you ask Jesus to help you see people the way He does. It's a good prayer, and one that I myself have needed at times. Can't go wrong, right?

 

[p_rehbein]

Why would the Holy Spirit call a woman to be a teacher in the church (or anything that has to do with teaching in some capacity within a church setting) when Paul suffered not a woman to teach and Paul wrote so in scripture? Unless you mean teaching in a woman's group, but even then the issue is troubling because what if God wants only men to be teaching in a church setting and what Paul wrote accounts for that? If I were a woman I would be careful in attributing my want to be a teacher in the church to a calling by the Holy Spirit when someone wrote in scripture that they do not suffer a woman to teach.

Show me a Scripture where God did not want a woman to preach, teach, or pastor, OR have authority over men. The Apostle Paul wrote in two distinct styles:

1. Thus sayeth the Lord
2. It would be better that/I would rather that

The first is Paul stating commandments from God, the second is Paul giving his advice on the best way to live a Christian life with the less problems possible. THEY ARE NOT commandments from God, and Paul said this himself.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 7:
12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

Paul also stated he would rather a man not marry, even though he knew that God intended and Jesus preached men and women married, thus assuring the propagation of the species. As well, Jesus laid out the rule(s) for divorce that are acceptable to God.

Paul wrote much "advice" on Christian living in his Epistles that ARE NOT commandments from God. Far too many people mistakenly believe his "advice" for commandments, and, thus, false doctrine is born. One must read with understanding, or one will fall victim to their own ignorance.

 

[Mem]

God makes no distinction according to the flesh in regard to righteousness.

Romans 8
31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.

Just as He interceded on behalf of the children that His disciples would rather have not suffered to come unto Him.

 

[LeeLoving]

Show me a Scripture where God did not want a woman to preach, teach, or pastor, OR have authority over men. The Apostle Paul wrote in two distinct styles:

1. Thus sayeth the Lord
2. It would be better that/I would rather that

The first is Paul stating commandments from God, the second is Paul giving his advice on the best way to live a Christian life with the less problems possible. THEY ARE NOT commandments from God, and Paul said this himself.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 7:
12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord:If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

Paul also stated he would rather a man not marry, even though he knew that God intended and Jesus preached men and women married, thus assuring the propagation of the species. As well, Jesus laid out the rule(s) for divorce that are acceptable to God.

Paul wrote much "advice" on Christian living in his Epistles that ARE NOT commandments from God. Far too many people mistakenly believe his "advice" for commandments, and, thus, false doctrine is born. One must read with understanding, or one will fall victim to their own ignorance.

Well, if this was Paul's approach to women wanting to teach in church and is how he approached every situation where a woman wanted to teach in church (I mean in like an official capacity, over the whole congregation) then I think it's fair to model a church after what he wrote. The issue is whether it's possible to read what he wrote that way. It seems to read that way to me.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

You aren't going to get out of doing your homework by throwing shade.

All you have is claims that do not prove God's Word to be wrong.

Opinions such as this are useless, in error, and are to be ignored by actual Christians.

You claim you have done your "homework" but are apparently afraid to post it.

All you've posted so far is one verse you take out of context that the perverts use to legitimatize gay marriage and the claim that we should follow culture rather than what God's Word says both of which are following the darkened mind of mankind and not the wisdom of God.

If you think you have some "homework" that proves 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13 to be false doctrine then post it up.

Let's see some scriptures that prove the scriptures I have posted do not really mean what they clearly say.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

There's no such thing as former believers-Christians or saved people.

That's not true.

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Read what the Lord said thru Paul to the Galatians who had gotten born again and then went back to the Lord and the Lord said they had fallen from grace.

Read what Jesus taught about the prodigal son that the Father said was dead while he was away and was only alive again after he came back to the Father.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Show me a Scripture where God did not want a woman to preach, teach, or pastor, OR have authority over men.

Women were created by the Lord to serve in a helper role not in a role of authority.

Only men can serve in a role of authority according to scripture.

Quote from - 1 Timothy 3:1-13

This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desires a good work.

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife


Quote from - Titus 1:6-9

If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God


Quote from - 1 Timothy 2:12,13

I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man


Related TRUTH from Scripture:

1 Corinthians 11:8,9
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Genesis 2:18
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.


Concerning 1 Timothy 2:8-15
Paul gave two reasons, both of them are theological not cultural.

1. The created order: Adam was first created as an independent person, then Eve was created from his rib to be his helper. She was therefore not created to be independent of the man in authority.

2. Eve, and consequently all women, were placed under a penalty of the curse. This included pain in childbearing and that her husband would rule over her.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

I think it's fair to model a church after what he wrote.

Those that reject Paul's writings on this topic are actuality acknowledging that they believe sometimes Paul was being led by the devil

In other words, they are picking and choosing what parts of God's Word they want to believe based on their preconceived ideas that are based on popular opinion of the world and the wisdom of man rather than what God says thru His Word.

It's being highly disrespectful to the Lord and it doing the same thing satan did in the garden of eden which is questioning and denying the Truthfulness of God's Word.

This is EXACTLY how people become deceived and it's very sad to see as this does not end well for those doing this.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

It seems to read that way to me.

It's also plausible to think that it reads the way you were taught.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

It's also plausible to think that it reads the way you were taught.

Those taught by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ accept the plain reading of scripture which is woman cannot be church leaders in the Body of Christ and instead will be serving in supporting roils.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Those taught by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ accept the plain reading of scripture which is woman cannot be church leaders in the Body of Christ and instead will be serving in supporting roils.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Must be why Jesus let the Samaritan Woman become one of the greatest Evangelists of that day. Even Nero had her tortured and dropped into a dry well where she died as a martyr.

Look at Phebe.
She was Evangelizing to the Romans and we see nowhere in the Letter to the Romans anything about women not Preaching or leading.

Look at the Samaritan Woman (this is what's documented about her).
She was quick to spread the news of her meeting with Jesus, and through this many came to believe in him. Her continuing witness is said to have brought so many to the Christian faith that she is described as "equal to the apostles". Eventually, having drawn the attention of Emperor Nero, she was brought before him to answer for her faith, suffering many tortures and dying a martyr after being thrown down a dry well.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Must be why Jesus let the Samaritan Woman become one of the greatest Evangelists of that day.

She was not a pastor or church leader... just someone who went around witnessing having no authority over any part of the Body of Christ.

Look at Phebe - Look at the Samaritan Woman

Neither of these ladies were pastors or church leaders... they served in a supporting role, not one of authority over any part of the Body of Christ.

We are all called to be witnesses to those around us, including women so that is no problem at all.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

She was not a pastor or church leader... just someone who went around witnessing having no authority over any part of the Body of Christ.

Neither of these ladies were pastors or church leaders... they served in a supporting role, not one of authority over any part of the Body of Christ.

We are all called to be witnesses to those around us, including women so that is no problem at all.

They did the same thing that the apostles did and none of them were pastors either. Paul started churches but never was the day to day shepherd. So the women I mentioned did exactly the same thing the apostles did.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

They did the same thing that the apostles did and none of them were pastors either. Paul started churches but never was the day to day shepherd. So the women I mentioned did exactly the same thing the apostles did.

The Apostles were all church leaders in authority over the Body of Christ and they were all men.

If the Lord wanted women to be in positions of authority, He would have had at least one woman as an Apostle and He would not have had the Holy Spirit to instruct Paul to write 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13 which is the Lord's qualifications for leadership.

Those that do not accept the Word of the Lord in 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13 are picken cherries and believe sometimes the Apostle Paul was writing what demons wanted him to write rather than being led by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.

So the women I mentioned did exactly the same thing the apostles did.

No, these ladies were not even in the same ball park as the Apostles.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

The Apostles were all church leaders in authority over the Body of Christ and they were all men.

If the Lord wanted women to be in positions of authority, He would have had at least one woman as an Apostle and He would not have had the Holy Spirit to instruct Paul to write 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13 which is the Lord's qualifications for leadership.

Those that do not accept the Word of the Lord in 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13 are picken cherries and believe sometimes the Apostle Paul was writing what demons wanted him to write rather than being led by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.
No, these ladies were not even in the same ball park as the Apostles. View attachment 261618

Show me the Churches the apostles, other than Paul oversaw then?
They were Evangelists for sure.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Which church did Disciples Andrew, Philip, Peter, Matthew, Thomas, Thaddeus, Thomas, James (x2), Simon the zealot ( I am missing some but they are included) begin and be leader of?

 

[posthuman]

He still rejected the child's application for Church membership

John 6:37​

the one who comes to Me ​

I will by no means cast out.​

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

A lot of words we use are not in the Bible, because we use modern English now.

I don't know how long you've been a Church member or if your Church is Biblically valid. But if you need to be ministered to by unqualified people, it suggests that your Church Minister is not teaching you or he is lacking accountability. In that case I would look for a new church to join.

The Church was never a building, the Church is the body of the Lord Jesus Christ

Your missing the point,

The thread titles says women pastor's

I'm asking you is the word pastor is in the bible.

Is it a pastor or a minister that is in the bible.

Who is allowed to minister Charly according to the bible

Secondly Charlie who else is the body of Christ and the church,

Is it a building that is the body of Christ, or it his children Charlie.