Do we know how Yeshua lived his life?

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vassal

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#81
About Jesus, He came to announce the kingdom of heaven and repentance, first to the Jews then through the apostles to the rest of the world, Today I feel this good news of the Kingdom is not discussed as it should. Jesus spoke many parables about the kingdom of heaven.

there are a few good posts on the kingdom of heaven on this cc forum;

here is the link;
https://christianchat.com/threads/j...-of-the-kingdom-of-heaven.211595/post-5103476
https://christianchat.com/threads/w...e-will-be-a-place-for-you.211609/post-5103994
 

ewq1938

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#82
You follow the Gospel of Paul, I follow the gospel of Christ

That's the same gospel. Paul was an Apostle of Christ and even taught the other Apostles.

Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

Here Luke calls Paul an Apostle.


Acts 14:8 And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:
Acts 14:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
Acts 14:10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.

Here through the power of the HS, Paul heals a cripple who never walked in his life.

Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Acts 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

Credit for the miracles was given to God, being accomplished through Paul and Barnabas.


Acts 16:9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
Acts 16:10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.


Luke writes of Paul having a vision from the Lord.


Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

Paul casts out a demon in Christ's name, and the demon is cast out.


Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Luke writes that Paul preached Christ died and rose from the dead.


Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Yet another miracle God worked through Paul.


Acts 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Acts 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Paul casting out evil spirits and healing!

Acts 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

Here Christ says that Paul will be made a minister.


2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.


Its pretty clear how Peter feels about "our beloved brother Paul". Peter speaks of those who wrest and struggle to understand Paul's writings and wisdom, struggling unto their own destruction. Take care not to repeat their mistakes.
 

ResidentAlien

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#83
"Now I say this, that each of you says, 'I am of Paul,' or 'I am of Apollos,' or 'I am of Cephas,' or 'I am of Christ.' Is Christ divided? 1 Corinthians 1:12-13
 
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Hi everyone, I've just read right through this thread. I hope you're all okay. Please let's show patience and kindness with each other, I know this can be hard when we do frustrating or worrying things, but it is the will of God and the way of Yeshua.

I just wanted to share, for what it's worth, the metaphor that came to my mind while reading. Hopefully it is relevant to some of your interests.

The torah is like stabilisers (aka training wheels) on a bicycle, which prevent you falling too far except willfully. Riding dependent on the stabilisers is not the highest ideal of how to ride a bike, but they are provided to prevent things going too badly wrong.

But the way Jesus lived was like riding the bike perfectly.

He kept the stabilisers on his bike, as a proof, but he never came close to letting them brush the ground. This is like the "but I say to you" parts of Matthew 5. God's purpose is for everyone to ride well (to live in accordance with his Spirit), so that the stabilisers become kind of irrelevant - it's not that they are contravened, but that true riding goes far beyond leaning on the stabilisers.

So, those with and without them will ride the same way. Those with them need not take them off, like Jesus, as this glorifies God that they are keeping within those limits; those without them need not add them, as this glorifies God that he has made them able to ride.

In writing this I've also thought about Micah 6:8, Matthew 5:20, Matthew 22:36-39, Romans 13:8-10, Colossians, and Genesis 11-12:3. I'd be delighted to know your wisdom from the Spirit of Jesus.
 

vassal

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#85
That's the same gospel. Paul was an Apostle of Christ and even taught the other Apostles.

Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

Here Luke calls Paul an Apostle.


Acts 14:8 And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:
Acts 14:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
Acts 14:10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.

Here through the power of the HS, Paul heals a cripple who never walked in his life.

Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Acts 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

Credit for the miracles was given to God, being accomplished through Paul and Barnabas.


Acts 16:9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
Acts 16:10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.


Luke writes of Paul having a vision from the Lord.


Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

Paul casts out a demon in Christ's name, and the demon is cast out.


Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Luke writes that Paul preached Christ died and rose from the dead.


Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Yet another miracle God worked through Paul.


Acts 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Acts 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Paul casting out evil spirits and healing!

Acts 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

Here Christ says that Paul will be made a minister.


2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.


Its pretty clear how Peter feels about "our beloved brother Paul". Peter speaks of those who wrest and struggle to understand Paul's writings and wisdom, struggling unto their own destruction. Take care not to repeat their mistakes.
there is a test in the bible for apostasy in Deuteronomy, GOD ask us to test the spirit, do this test for paul and see, just research it and do it yourself and then you will know. Also 2 Peter is very much disputed it may be a forgery look that up also.

Paul gospel if about being saved by grace through faith, Jesus gospel is about the coming kingdom of heaven and repentance. very different!

in the new Jerusalem 12 gates 12 doors not 13, Paul is not one of the 12! Matthias was chosen to replace judas not paul.
none of the 12 apostles appointed by Jesus ever called paul an apostle!

Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
 

vassal

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#86
Nobody can practice Judaism as Jesus did, and if they say they can or do, they are lying.
Jesus never asked us to replace him, he is the only one who could do what he did to save us all. He simply asks that we do as he asks, which is to love one another and Love God above all else.

peace
 

Magenta

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#87
Magenta, you are the expert at casting stones at everyone who do not believe as you do so look at yourself first before accusing others.
Just another one of your false accusations...
 

vassal

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Just another one of your false accusations...
look at your last 100 or so posts, I wont do like you and post them, it would be embarrassing to you, lately you have been very angry at pretty much everyone everyone calling many liars because they have a different opinion than you, you have become to my eyes a terror on this site, you may hide behind these nice panels you made and post but lately you have changed, I just wanted you to know. You were so nice before.
 

Rainrider

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Sure. But it doesn't change the fact that you are teaching people to obey in their own strength, and not in God's strength.
Last time, if you can't show where I said that drop it. Why? because I never said, never teach, or in anyway hint at that.
Although I will say thank you for not letting me down. I know that even if I was open a thread on the word word, you and others would find a way to try to distract from that. You people always do.
 

Rainrider

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All is good here and we're good (y)
Always good my friend. I just pray that thouse who go about disrupting every thread they think can get others mad are now done trying. I am going to just over look them, and move on to the true topic here.
 

Rainrider

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It is necessary to remind people, who Jesus, the messiah, the son of GOD IS. Too many people forget his teachings. A study on Jesus's life can only be a good thing for everyone.
It seems that some would disagree with you, even if you showed them a fence post, they would try to say you called it something other that.
 

Rainrider

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If they did not, would we have an entire New Testament, or just the Gospels?
In fact when we read the N.T. we are reading commentary on the Whole of the Word. Even Yeshua worked to give us a fuller understand of Torah. Opps there we go, now I will be attacted for the use of a word, and it will be said I am saying something that isn't even in the post.
 

Rainrider

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Not at all.
Think about it, Jesus spoke, later His Disciples confirmed what He said. Hebrews 2:3.

The rest of the New Testament is basically the Structure of the Church and how the Holy Spirit works + future Prophecy.
Amen
 

Rainrider

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#95
About Jesus, He came to announce the kingdom of heaven and repentance, first to the Jews then through the apostles to the rest of the world, Today I feel this good news of the Kingdom is not discussed as it should. Jesus spoke many parables about the kingdom of heaven.

there are a few good posts on the kingdom of heaven on this cc forum;

here is the link;
https://christianchat.com/threads/j...-of-the-kingdom-of-heaven.211595/post-5103476
https://christianchat.com/threads/w...e-will-be-a-place-for-you.211609/post-5103994
I do agree, and would add this. In many churches today you won't hear about the kingdom much if any. However in this thread once the disruptours are done, we will look at Yeshua's life. Yes some of His teachings will be a part of it, after all it through His teachings that we learn more of who He is, and how He lived.
 

Rainrider

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"Now I say this, that each of you says, 'I am of Paul,' or 'I am of Apollos,' or 'I am of Cephas,' or 'I am of Christ.' Is Christ divided? 1 Corinthians 1:12-13
Thank you once more for not showing me wrong.
 

Cameron143

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Last time, if you can't show where I said that drop it. Why? because I never said, never teach, or in anyway hint at that.
Although I will say thank you for not letting me down. I know that even if I was open a thread on the word word, you and others would find a way to try to distract from that. You people always do.
I already did. You tell people to try their best. But God doesn't accept our best because He only accepts perfection. Our best is nothing more than filthy rags to God. So in telling people to do their best, you are in effect teaching people to live in a manner that doesn't please God.
On the other hand, God has shown us how to live perfectly. By walking in the Spirit, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh...Galatians 5:16. It will not be us trying to do our best; rather, it will be Christ living perfectly in and through us.
I only mentioned it because I thought you wanted best for people. And you can easily not be distracted if you simply don't reply to those you believe are distracting from your point. So why blame others for your lack of discipline?
 

Rainrider

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Hi everyone, I've just read right through this thread. I hope you're all okay. Please let's show patience and kindness with each other, I know this can be hard when we do frustrating or worrying things, but it is the will of God and the way of Yeshua.

I just wanted to share, for what it's worth, the metaphor that came to my mind while reading. Hopefully it is relevant to some of your interests.

The torah is like stabilisers (aka training wheels) on a bicycle, which prevent you falling too far except willfully. Riding dependent on the stabilisers is not the highest ideal of how to ride a bike, but they are provided to prevent things going too badly wrong.

But the way Jesus lived was like riding the bike perfectly.

He kept the stabilisers on his bike, as a proof, but he never came close to letting them brush the ground. This is like the "but I say to you" parts of Matthew 5. God's purpose is for everyone to ride well (to live in accordance with his Spirit), so that the stabilisers become kind of irrelevant - it's not that they are contravened, but that true riding goes far beyond leaning on the stabilisers.

So, those with and without them will ride the same way. Those with them need not take them off, like Jesus, as this glorifies God that they are keeping within those limits; those without them need not add them, as this glorifies God that he has made them able to ride.

In writing this I've also thought about Micah 6:8, Matthew 5:20, Matthew 22:36-39, Romans 13:8-10, Colossians, and Genesis 11-12:3. I'd be delighted to know your wisdom from the Spirit of Jesus.
So long as you chime in when something doesn't look right to you, I am happy to have you along for the ride. All I ask is that we stay on topic, and please don't try to pass what someone said as something they never said. As you seen I will be the first to ask that you show me I said it, though that is when I know I never said it, in any post, on any thread.
 

Nehemiah6

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Even Yeshua worked to give us a fuller understand of Torah.
There is no doubt about that. Christ is found in the Torah, He gave us a fuller understanding of the Torah, and He also fulfilled much that is in the Torah. Every animal sacrifice in the Torah pointed to the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world by the sacrifice of Himself. At the same time we have this in Scripture, and it cannot be ignored: All Scripture [Genesis to Revelation] is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Tom 3:16,17)

In the Greek text it is "All Scripture is God-breathed" (Theopneustos). The Torah lays the foundation, but all Scripture is for all Christians for all time (until the Resurrection/Rapture).
 

Rainrider

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For any that know this when I say OFF TOPIC, I am really saying back on topic. As with EVERY SINGLE thread I open I know before hand that the same people will try to derail it for what ever reason. That being said.

OFF TOPIC.
I am sure you have read my opening post the the true topic I wish to cover. As you seen I didn't cover every verse of John chapter one. My reason is that we are here to look at how Yeshua lived His life. A big part of that is looking at Who He is. If you read the chapter you will soon see that it covers more than Yeshua.