MYSTERY, BABYLON

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Laodicea

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Revelation 11:7-9
New King James Version (NKJV)
7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our[a] Lord was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.


not sure about the Babylon tie in...main chapter about Bablyon seems to be Rev 18...


That is my point, where is the Babylon tie in this verse?
 
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Hello Grandpa it's always nice to talk to our elders for usually they are full of great advice from years of experience and they are generally pretty smart too
Lets look at the time line first this is a revelation subject so it obviously relates to the end time prophecies. Couple questions first though
1 What nation today or city is the greatest in trade and commerce surpassing all others in world history?
2 What nation today is the purveyor of the majority of pornography in the world?
What nation today is involved in the majority of wars worldwide?
What nation today is responsible for the greatest gathering of knowledge known to man in history?
what nation today is responsible for most of the greatest technological inventions of all time?
This is not finger pointing merely observation of modern day events as I see them the truth is out there and cannot be denied honestly

1 by what currency are all others measured and where is the majority of wealth distributed from? New York has the worlds largest stock exchange bar none
2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3 How many countries in the world is the U.S and her allies currently at war with?
4 The greatest deposit of information in the world currently resides in the state of Illinois in a massive computer the size of a 10 story building
5 The majority of technological advancement that has ocurred in the last 100 years comes directly out of the U.S.

I would rather not say it because of the outlash that will result from this but the truth is the truth even if we can't se it it must be told

IT IS US

peace and love

corripiens iridis manet
 
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eternally-gratefull

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That is my point, where is the Babylon tie in this verse?

who are the two witnesses? and what city are they in? And why are they there? WHo are the preaching to?
 

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Hello Grandpa it's always nice to talk to our elders for usually they are full of great advice from years of experience and they are generally pretty smart too
Lets look at the time line first this is a revelation subject so it obviously relates to the end time prophecies. Couple questions first though
1 What nation today or city is the greatest in trade and commerce surpassing all others in world history?
2 What nation today is the purveyor of the majority of pornography in the world?
What nation today is involved in the majority of wars worldwide?
What nation today is responsible for the greatest gathering of knowledge known to man in history?
what nation today is responsible for most of the greatest technological inventions of all time?
This is not finger pointing merely observation of modern day events as I see them the truth is out there and cannot be denied honestly

1 by what currency are all others measured and where is the majority of wealth distributed from? New York has the worlds largest stock exchange bar none
2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3 How many countries in the world is the U.S and her allies currently at war with?
4 The greatest deposit of information in the world currently resides in the state of Illinois in a massive computer the size of a 10 story building
5 The majority of technological advancement that has ocurred in the last 100 years comes directly out of the U.S.

I would rather not say it because of the outlash that will result from this but the truth is the truth even if we can't se it it must be told

IT IS US

peace and love

corripiens iridis manet
I've had that same thought before. I've related New York and LA to Sodom and Gomorrah but that is about as far as I've taken that. I'm not convinced America is in the bible in any form.

I'm not your elder either, by the way. I'm a pretty young Grandpa.

God Bless You
 
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I see that my post never became a post at all very interesting! Well to the powers that be if you find my words repugnant to your nose perhaps you should cover the smell with some more hypocrisy it may take away the smell but it will do nothing for you personally!
 
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I see that my post never became a post at all very interesting! Well to the powers that be if you find my words repugnant to your nose perhaps you should cover the smell with some more hypocrisy it may take away the smell but it will do nothing for you personally!
Hey bro. I went through the "america is the harlot" phase. I was brought up with this teaching. and was actually convinced it was true, As I said much earlier. I do not believe this anymore. It is what Got me studying this topic.
 
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That was wierd soon as I posted my last post the first one showed up ..........oooohhhhh that sent shivers up my spine
 
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That was wierd soon as I posted my last post the first one showed up ..........oooohhhhh that sent shivers up my spine
lol its just a technology lag thing. the server runs slow sometimes...

what "powers " were you talking to earlier?


I see that my post never became a post at all very interesting! Well to the powers that be if you find my words repugnant to your nose perhaps you should cover the smell with some more hypocrisy it may take away the smell but it will do nothing for you personally!
 
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I'm not trying to be as geographicaly correct as I am symbolically and time wise with events that could not have happened even a generation ago but are now taking place even as we speak I.E mark of the beast just 1 generation ago this would not have been possible but now with nanoprobe technology it's here and some people already have them in them this isn't fiction it's the truth what about the cloning of dollie the sheep in Great Britain or the genetic manipulation of the very food we eat so that it is sterile that is to say it gives no seed if that isn't an abomination of desolation I don't know what is think about it and give me your replies I love a good debate!

peace and love

corripiens iridis manet
 
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actually posted that 40 min before and when I came back I couldn't find it then I made my 2nd post and it appeared right below it
 
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That is my point, where is the Babylon tie in this verse?
Babylon is the 'great city' being referred to throughout Revelation. The Whore.

It's Jerusalem.

Peter even straight up calls Jerusalem BABYLON here:

(1 Peter 5:13) The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

Peter was living with his son Marcus IN JERUSALEM.
 
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Laodicea

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Babylon is the 'great city' being referred to throughout Revelation. The Whore.

It's Jerusalem.

Peter even straight up calls Jerusalem BABYLON here:

(1 Peter 5:13) The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

Peter was living with his son Marcus IN JERUSALEM.
Thank you for the information and I appreciate it, I have read some information from a web site:-

Place Where The First Letter Of Peter Was Written
Peter wrote in 1 Peter 5:13, “She in Babylon, chosen together with you, and my son Mark, greet you.” “She” designates the church where Peter was at when he wrote his first letter. That church was located in Babylon. Babylon is not to be understood literally. The great city of ancient Babylon was destroyed by the Medes and the Persians centuries earlier. Among the Jews “Babylon” stood for a great seat of political power that was an enemy hostile to God's people. It seems relatively certain that Peter used the name of Babylon for Rome, which was the great seat of political power that was hostile to God's people, the Christians who confessed Christ. This being the case, Peter wrote his first letter in Rome.

Below is a link to the site if you want to reference it:-
An Overview Of The Book Of 1 Peter

If you have any further information showing that He wrote it from Jerusalem then I will read it
 
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Thank you for the information and I appreciate it, I have read some information from a web site:-

Place Where The First Letter Of Peter Was Written
Peter wrote in 1 Peter 5:13, “She in Babylon, chosen together with you, and my son Mark, greet you.” “She” designates the church where Peter was at when he wrote his first letter. That church was located in Babylon. Babylon is not to be understood literally. The great city of ancient Babylon was destroyed by the Medes and the Persians centuries earlier. Among the Jews “Babylon” stood for a great seat of political power that was an enemy hostile to God's people. It seems relatively certain that Peter used the name of Babylon for Rome, which was the great seat of political power that was hostile to God's people, the Christians who confessed Christ. This being the case, Peter wrote his first letter in Rome.

Below is a link to the site if you want to reference it:-
An Overview Of The Book Of 1 Peter

If you have any further information showing that He wrote it from Jerusalem then I will read it
How about scripture proving he was in Jerusalem?
 
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You mentioned it first
Can we agree that if scripture describes Peter as being in Jerusalem and not in Rome then its more likely that when he mentions babylon in that verse, it means Jerusalem, coz thats where he lived?
 
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Laodicea

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Can we agree that if scripture describes Peter as being in Jerusalem and not in Rome then its more likely that when he mentions babylon in that verse, it means Jerusalem, coz thats where he lived?
I will prayfully consider the verses you show me