Nah. He gave them a choice. Jesus or a real sinner. He did not think they would pick Jesus over barabus. But they did.
They still had no power. why are you so convinced they did??
Oh boy......Why did Pilate even give them the choice if he KNEW Jesus HAD NO FAULT IN HIM?
I mean did Saul have power killing Christians by jerusalem? or was it because he was a A Roman Citizen and had the power of Rome behind him.
its funny. When Paul was in jerusalem, the jews wanted to have him killed. They could not do a thing because he was a roman citizen by birth. no one would touch him.
poor old Jews. they could not kill a christian without the power of Rome, then they could not kill a christian because of the power of Rome. Yep they had so much power.
any more tricks up your sleeve? You seem to be failing miserably to prove jerusalem had any power whatsoever other than what ROME gave them!
How about the stoning of Stephen?
Did Rome sign off on that one?
WHO does SCRIPTURE say is responsible for ALL the blood of the prophets?
(Matthew 23:37) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Does that verse say O Rome, Rome?
what does this have to do with Jerusalem having power?
Huh?
does jerusalem (which is Christian, Islamic and Christian) have all that power? Why don't they just kick the christians and Islams out and rebuild the temple if they have so much power.
Oh and here you go flip-flopping back to saying that the actual CITY is the Whore and not that it represents the PEOPLE who fornicate. WHO CARES about whats going on in the actual CITY of Jerusalem....ITS THE PHARISEES. They are all over the world.
Let put this to the test. Lets go to every country. You open a tulmad store selling goods which represent them. I will open a catholic store selling stuff which represent them. I bet I make a heck of a lot more loot than you do! Why? The world hate those who call themselves Jews. The world loves that which calls itself the church of Christ. WHy do you think the world will mourn so hard when they are destroyed?
Is that why 90% of Christians think Rome is the Whore?
Is that why Jews are protected by the ADL and you cant even critisize israels national policy without ignorant bigots calling you an antisemite?
Is that why the RCC is such an OBVIOUS TARGET?
Talmudic Judaism runs EVERYTHING. All worldly systems will come crashing down when she goes under. The merchants especially will mourn.
I don't know. did I misunderstand you. You said we know who rules that temple cult, then said pharisees. How els was I too take it other than you believed the phariees ruled that temple?
What temple?
Who said anything about the UN? Is the UN rome?? why do you keep assuming you know what I believe?? You all keep making false accusations against me saying I believe this. when I don't. then you never admit you were wrong. why is that?
Oh thats rich.
You tell me. Daniel makes it clear HE (the prince who is to come) makes a covenant for 1 week (7 years) sometime after the city and temple is destroyed (done by titus in AD 70) and in the middle of that week commits the abomination of desolation. Why would he commit an abomination in the temple and break that covenant? What covenant? You all keep telling me there is none. Gabriel said there is. what is it?? You gonna keep hidiing from it?
Think about it. If he makes a one week covenant, and then we are told in the middle of that week he commits the abomination. It is logical to understand the covenant had something to do with the temple which allowed him to commit the abomination. There has been no temple since titus destroyed it. So what covenant. and what temple??
Ii have no idea what your going on about. You must have to go to dispy school to get up to speed on that stuff. Daniel is completely and totally fulfilled. No amount of lawyeristic jumbling of numbers is gonna change that.
No I am talking about the house of Israel. Of who the phariees are supposedly a part of. It is foolish to think the phariees are the only part of the house of Israel. If they never repent. God will destroy them too. God said he would smite those who do not follow him, And when all Israel are saved they will know he is the Lord. And when the Gentiles see them in their land and in peace (which has never been) and prosperity and their land yeilds the food, with rain that is perfect to grow enormous Crops. They the gentiles will see this and praise God. That what ezekial says. Did ezekial lie?
No he didnt lie, he prophesied the return from exile. Fulfilled.
But lets get back to WHO you were talking about. You said
they still havnt repented and are still in sin and denial. Now your saying THEY are the House of Israel. Does this mean Jews + all the other tribes who you have no idea who they are or what state their heart is in?
If so, how can you make this statement?
What about 'Jews' who have accepted Jesus?
What about someone who converts to Judaism tomorrow? Does that make them party to prophecy suddenly? We know that happens for conversion to Christianity but what about Judaism?
A daughter of the mother harlot is still a harlot. You have not proven she is the mother. Jerusalem did not get her harlotry from being jew. they got it from those who conquered and those who conquered her. She is not the mother.
HUH?
I wanted clarification on:
Did Ezekiel call Jerusalem a Harlot??
Is it YES OR NO?
And you give me this nonsense?
Jerusalem....was...erm...jew....was it? HUH?
Yes Ezekial said that she would be taken captive for her harlotry. He also said they would be returned. Then he said they would be taken again. Only this time completey removed from her land (this did not happen with babylon it happened only when titus destroyed them) and scattered all over the world (again this did not happen until Titus did it) But then he says again they will be returned. (ez 36 37)
I guess we reject those passages.
So Israel commited WHOREDOMS right? With her LOVERS?
No pagans have thier own Gods. You commit harlotry by sleeping with these false Gods. (which is what the jews were doing in Ezekial)
RIGHT! Jerusalem was the WHORE.
Like you commit harlotry by sleeping with a prostitute.
Dude. Can you please grasp this. WHORE means to commit adultery. You are a whore (in OT language) if you cheat on your spouse. It doesnt matter if you cheat on your spouse with a hooker or a single lady or even a SHEEP...YOU are called a whore. The LOVER is not a prostitute. Nowhere in scripture does God describe Israels lovers as whores or prostitutes or Harlots. Its ALWAYS Israel who is the Harlot for CHEATING ON GOD.
The prostitute is the whore. not the one commiting adultry. she would be the adulterer.
**[Face palm]**
WHY....DOES....EZEKIEL...CALL the one commiting adultery the WHORE and the pagans as LOVERS THEN?????????????????????????
Why do you insist on calling Israels lovers PROSTITUTES? Where does scripture ever say that?
Isreal was the wife. She slept with the whore (mother) She was not the mother. Why can't you see this??
Lolz...BECAUSE ITS NOT TRUE??
Israel was the wife. She went awhoring (cheating) with her LOVERS just like scripture sayz. and God called her a WHORE and a HARLOT.
This is not rocket surgery you know?
I have to assume that you are simply in blind denial.
Sorry I don't trust strongs. I will wait till I get home and look up more reliable lexecons.
You do that.
But I will say this. If I keep sleeping with the same prostitute. She is my lover. And I use her to replace my wife.
The prostitute is still the harlot I slept with.
Oh man....
What if your NOT sleeping with a prostitute? What if you just meet a sexy girl who's single?
In that case YOU are WHORING and she is just a LOVER.
lol. It was those souveneers that made her the adultress. But you can't see this!!
I see it just fine. Israel was an adultress because the pagans offered all kinds of shiny idols. Great.
Jerusalem was still the one knowingly commiting adultery though. So shes the harlot.
baby? You look at history? Who killed many of Gods people for thousands of years because they were so called "heretics?
The temple cult in fancy robes. Judaized Xtianity. They sneaked in! We were warned of it.
Sorry. I am not buying your baloney! You think Isreal has more influence today than rome? You don't get around very much do you? Stop reading your biased websights and get out in the world and you would see.
Who would have more of a following? the pope, or the high priest of the pharisees?
The Pharisees. Without a doubt.
I'm happy to debate you on whats going on in the world any time your ready. We can start with WORLD COMMUNISM (It's always been the biggest weapon of the beast system) and see if this was created by Rome or by Jerusalem. Are you game?
Rome did not get her doctrines from jerusalem. She got it from the high priest of the pagan cult who was in power in rome at the time she became the church of rome.
Who are you trying to kid?
RCC and EOC worship is a CARBON COPY of Old Testament TEMPLE WORSHIP.
This is the stuff the PHARISEES wanted to cling to soooooo desperately.
And apostate Israel picked up some wacky stuff from paganism (her lover) and incorporated it into the God given TEMPLE WORSHIP and thats how you end up with RCC and EOC.
That is what jerusalem is. Has you hooked line and sinkered into believing she is the mother.
Lolz...suuuuure.
Great decoy. Thats why 90% of Christians think RCC is the whore.