Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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indeed there’s a transformation that needs to occur
This is Christian doctrine we dont really hear about
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37
“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; ( the man who’s bound without control )
and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; ( what hearing and believing the gospel does )
and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. ( this iman isn’t bound without hope he isn’t overpowered and corrupted by sin he’s being made new by faith hearing and believing the lords truth ….and so we’re instructed towst da that goal )
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour
thou shalt not lie )
for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil.
Let him that stole steal no more: ( thou shalt not steal ) but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Let no ( the new man is in control he can) corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all ( the believer has the control ) bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”( the chrirtians can pursue and do those things they can repent when they do the opposite )
Ephesians 4:21-32 KJV
the devil is still telling born again folks they are the same as they were before they received his spirit. The devil is still denying and trying to hide this from mankind
“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:24-26 KJV
and so we have a choice now fully informed by Christ
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,( past tense )
but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ( cirrent tense )
ye became the servants of righteousness.( new identity )
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; ( in the past we sinned freely )
even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. ( now we are called in Christ to righteousness and holiness )
For when ye were the servants of sin, ( past tense ) ye were free from righteousness.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.”
Romans 6:15-20, 22 KJV
when we live our lives convinces we’re just sinners who can’t do anything God taught us to do , we’re missing rhe whole intent and power of the gospel to save sinners by bringing us to repentance changing our will not violating it but cha gong it from sin to God over time as we abide in the truth God changes us so we can walk upright
This is Christian doctrine we dont really hear about
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37
“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; ( the man who’s bound without control )
and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; ( what hearing and believing the gospel does )
and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. ( this iman isn’t bound without hope he isn’t overpowered and corrupted by sin he’s being made new by faith hearing and believing the lords truth ….and so we’re instructed towst da that goal )
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour
thou shalt not lie ) for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil.
Let him that stole steal no more: ( thou shalt not steal ) but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Let no ( the new man is in control he can) corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all ( the believer has the control ) bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”( the chrirtians can pursue and do those things they can repent when they do the opposite )
Ephesians 4:21-32 KJV
the devil is still telling born again folks they are the same as they were before they received his spirit. The devil is still denying and trying to hide this from mankind
“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:24-26 KJV
and so we have a choice now fully informed by Christ
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,( past tense )
but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ( cirrent tense )
ye became the servants of righteousness.( new identity )
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; ( in the past we sinned freely )
even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. ( now we are called in Christ to righteousness and holiness )
For when ye were the servants of sin, ( past tense ) ye were free from righteousness.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.”
Romans 6:15-20, 22 KJV
when we live our lives convinces we’re just sinners who can’t do anything God taught us to do , we’re missing rhe whole intent and power of the gospel to save sinners by bringing us to repentance changing our will not violating it but cha gong it from sin to God over time as we abide in the truth God changes us so we can walk upright
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indeed there’s a transformation that needs to occur
This is Christian doctrine we dont really hear about
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37
“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; ( the man who’s bound without control )
and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; ( what hearing and believing the gospel does )
and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. ( this iman isn’t bound without hope he isn’t overpowered and corrupted by sin he’s being made new by faith hearing and believing the lords truth ….and so we’re instructed towst da that goal )
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour thou shalt not lie )
for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil.
Let him that stole steal no more: ( thou shalt not steal ) but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Let no ( the new man is in control he can) corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all ( the believer has the control ) bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”( the chrirtians can pursue and do those things they can repent when they do the opposite )
Ephesians 4:21-32 KJV
the devil is still telling born again folks they are the same as they were before they received his spirit. The devil is still denying and trying to hide this from mankind
“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:24-26 KJV
and so we have a choice now fully informed by Christ
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,( past tense )
but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ( cirrent tense )
ye became the servants of righteousness.( new identity )
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; ( in the past we sinned freely )
even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. ( now we are called in Christ to righteousness and holiness )
For when ye were the servants of sin, ( past tense ) ye were free from righteousness.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.”
Romans 6:15-20, 22 KJV
when we live our lives convinces we’re just sinners who can’t do anything God taught us to do , we’re missing rhe whole intent and power of the gospel to save sinners by bringing us to repentance changing our will not violating it but cha gong it from sin to God over time as we abide in the truth God changes us so we can walk upright
This is Christian doctrine we dont really hear about
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37
“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; ( the man who’s bound without control )
and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; ( what hearing and believing the gospel does )
and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. ( this iman isn’t bound without hope he isn’t overpowered and corrupted by sin he’s being made new by faith hearing and believing the lords truth ….and so we’re instructed towst da that goal )
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour
thou shalt not lie ) for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil.
Let him that stole steal no more: ( thou shalt not steal ) but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Let no ( the new man is in control he can) corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all ( the believer has the control ) bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”( the chrirtians can pursue and do those things they can repent when they do the opposite )
Ephesians 4:21-32 KJV
the devil is still telling born again folks they are the same as they were before they received his spirit. The devil is still denying and trying to hide this from mankind
“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:24-26 KJV
and so we have a choice now fully informed by Christ
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,( past tense )
but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ( cirrent tense )
ye became the servants of righteousness.( new identity )
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; ( in the past we sinned freely )
even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. ( now we are called in Christ to righteousness and holiness )
For when ye were the servants of sin, ( past tense ) ye were free from righteousness.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.”
Romans 6:15-20, 22 KJV
when we live our lives convinces we’re just sinners who can’t do anything God taught us to do , we’re missing rhe whole intent and power of the gospel to save sinners by bringing us to repentance changing our will not violating it but cha gong it from sin to God over time as we abide in the truth God changes us so we can walk upright
But the beauty and reason for why I posted those 2 verses because it shows that God did make a way for all men to seek and find Him.
Which proves this doctrine that God made some people for Hell a sham.
Even though man does not seek God, God still made a way for man to find Him.
And people who have rejected God will be shown that God made a way for them and they denied it on Judgement Day.
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Amen and I was just adding to that, showing he also took sinners who didn’t and wouldn’t seek god in tbe ot and gave them life and power to seek him through the gospel by coming to them and announcing here I am and this is what I’ve said believe me and live forever I found you , now seek for me where I’m going
“Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect:
but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.”
Philippians 3:12 KJV
We have a role too and we’re capable now n my mind it works perfectly with what you’ve said and shown but again I’m an old fool that always offers a lot of salt to those im talking with
“Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect:
but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.”
Philippians 3:12 KJV
We have a role too and we’re capable now n my mind it works perfectly with what you’ve said and shown but again I’m an old fool that always offers a lot of salt to those im talking with
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It seemd Jean Calvin taught the exact the same thing I have said all along that everyone is given a seed.
He also suggests that the wicked never willingly come to God.
But in saying they never willingly do, he is saying that they could willingly do so.
Read for yourself.
Read free online also.
https://ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/institutes.iii.v.html
Jean Calvin
1. The knowledge of God suppressed by ignorance, many falling away into superstition. Such persons, however, inexcusable, because their error is accompanied with pride and stubbornness.
2. Stubbornness the companion of impiety.
3. No pretext can justify superstition. This proved, first, from reason; and, secondly, from Scripture.
Look here he says it's possible the wicked can willingly come to God but never do.
4. The wicked never willingly come into the presence of God. Hence their hypocrisy. Hence, too, their sense of Deity leads to no good result.
1. But though experience testifies that a seed of religion is divinely sown in all, scarcely one in a hundred is found who cherishes it in his heart, and not one in whom it grows to maturity so far is it from yielding fruit in its season. Moreover, while some lose themselves in superstitious observances, and others, of set purpose, wickedly revolt from God, the result is that, in regard to the true knowledge of him, all are so degenerate, that in no part of the world can genuine godliness be found. In saying that some fall away into superstition, I mean not to insinuate that their excessive absurdity frees them from guilt; for the blindness under which they labour is almost invariably accompanied with vain pride and stubbornness
He also suggests that the wicked never willingly come to God.
But in saying they never willingly do, he is saying that they could willingly do so.
Read for yourself.
Read free online also.
https://ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/institutes.iii.v.html
Jean Calvin
1. The knowledge of God suppressed by ignorance, many falling away into superstition. Such persons, however, inexcusable, because their error is accompanied with pride and stubbornness.
2. Stubbornness the companion of impiety.
3. No pretext can justify superstition. This proved, first, from reason; and, secondly, from Scripture.
Look here he says it's possible the wicked can willingly come to God but never do.
4. The wicked never willingly come into the presence of God. Hence their hypocrisy. Hence, too, their sense of Deity leads to no good result.
1. But though experience testifies that a seed of religion is divinely sown in all, scarcely one in a hundred is found who cherishes it in his heart, and not one in whom it grows to maturity so far is it from yielding fruit in its season. Moreover, while some lose themselves in superstitious observances, and others, of set purpose, wickedly revolt from God, the result is that, in regard to the true knowledge of him, all are so degenerate, that in no part of the world can genuine godliness be found. In saying that some fall away into superstition, I mean not to insinuate that their excessive absurdity frees them from guilt; for the blindness under which they labour is almost invariably accompanied with vain pride and stubbornness
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God justly kills about two people every second because the soul that sins shall die and the wages of sin is death (Eze 18:4,20, Rom 6:23).
Was God wrong for killing every man. woman, child and animal in the Flood except the remnant?
Deu_32:39 'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.
It seems like you do not yet know that God is thrice holy and hates evil so much that he killed His only Son to save His people from their sin.
Isa 53:4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted.
Was God wrong for killing every man. woman, child and animal in the Flood except the remnant?
Deu_32:39 'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.
It seems like you do not yet know that God is thrice holy and hates evil so much that he killed His only Son to save His people from their sin.
Isa 53:4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted.
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have you ever considered that those verses in context were written about the brethren throughout the whole world who God does not wish to perish and therefore grants them the repentance they need?
Do you believe the Scriptures are inspired, inerrant and fallible? Because if you do then the your view would ne contradictory to other Scriptures as the one below which clearly states that Christ rejoiced in the truth being hidden from some and thanked His Father for doing so and even called it good. How is that God sincerely desiring to save everyone???
Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
I highly recommend you and all who think that God desires to save every person including those He justly decreed to go to Hell read the article below.
Does God Really Desire to Save the Reprobate?
Do you believe the Scriptures are inspired, inerrant and fallible? Because if you do then the your view would ne contradictory to other Scriptures as the one below which clearly states that Christ rejoiced in the truth being hidden from some and thanked His Father for doing so and even called it good. How is that God sincerely desiring to save everyone???
Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
I highly recommend you and all who think that God desires to save every person including those He justly decreed to go to Hell read the article below.
Does God Really Desire to Save the Reprobate?
a person is born again into a new creature from sin.
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
and can not even see the kingdom of God to see their need of the forgiveness of sin unless they are first born again.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
and can not even see the kingdom of God to see their need of the forgiveness of sin unless they are first born again.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
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God has humbled me enough to know that the reason why He chose to save me had absolutely nothing to do with who I am or what I did, do or will do.
Those who think that their decision to follow Christ is the reason they are saved are not yet saved because they have not yet been humbled to know that salvation belongs to the Lord alone.
Those who think that their decision to follow Christ is the reason they are saved are not yet saved because they have not yet been humbled to know that salvation belongs to the Lord alone.
Paul also said in Acts...
26 Through One Man (Adam) all men was created on earth...
27 He did this so they would look for him. He wanted them to reach out and find him. But he is not far from each one of us.
[HE] in verse 27 is GOD!
So God did this and God wanted them (all men) to look for Him and find Him.
26 Through One Man (Adam) all men was created on earth...
27 He did this so they would look for him. He wanted them to reach out and find him. But he is not far from each one of us.
[HE] in verse 27 is GOD!
So God did this and God wanted them (all men) to look for Him and find Him.
The illustrations below make very clear the two types of theology regarding the way God saves people.
The first says that man is floating down a fast moving river towards a waterfall unto certain death and Christ comes along with a rope, throws it to the person, who catches it and is pulled into safety.
The second says that man is not floating but is dead and hitting the cobblestones on the bottom of the river on his way to the waterfall. Christ comes along with a rope, ties it to Himself and a tree, dives into the river, grabs the person, brings them to shore and resuscitates them.
Which one gives glory to God?
In the first illustration the man was ultimately saved by his ability to hold the rope and can boast in his strength whereas the second illustration gives al the glory to God for securing the salvation of the man who was unable to save himself.
Which illustration do you believe?
The first says that man is floating down a fast moving river towards a waterfall unto certain death and Christ comes along with a rope, throws it to the person, who catches it and is pulled into safety.
The second says that man is not floating but is dead and hitting the cobblestones on the bottom of the river on his way to the waterfall. Christ comes along with a rope, ties it to Himself and a tree, dives into the river, grabs the person, brings them to shore and resuscitates them.
Which one gives glory to God?
In the first illustration the man was ultimately saved by his ability to hold the rope and can boast in his strength whereas the second illustration gives al the glory to God for securing the salvation of the man who was unable to save himself.
Which illustration do you believe?
FYI, I died; therefore, the life I am living is in Christ.
Paul said much more than be slave more context to the one verse you used in 6:22
What does it say before and after 22? :
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations.
Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness,
so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.
20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.
21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death!
22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God,
the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Paul said much more than be slave more context to the one verse you used in 6:22
What does it say before and after 22? :
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations.
Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness,
so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.
20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.
21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death!
22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God,
the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.