Smoking Marijuana?

jimmydiggs · Aug 19, 2011

@Deadtosin

So this goes back to my question, but let me put it this way.

Why do you say it would not be permissible for me to view pornography if it calms me down, makes me feel better, and can absorb the bible much more than when I am not viewing pornography? It seems to me by your own argument, that if sin makes it easier to read the bible, it's permissible. Honestly, theres quite a few people I've been angry with over the years about various things. Should I kill them if it makes it easier for me to obey God? (anyone notice the contradiction? Disobeying god to obey is still disobeying)

Where do you get off on saying that even though by your own reasoning it would be permissible, that it is not?

I smell arbitrariness.

Also, Deadtosin. Could you provide to us scripture on your views? Something other than conjecture would be greatly appreciated.

Deadtosin · Aug 19, 2011

jimmydiggs said:

Dear Jimmy, Porn and fornication is of the flesh and for the flesh. It is an assault on all of your senses, sight, touch, smell, emotion, and taste. It is completely of the flesh and therefore completely sinful. If then a person who is in the threshes of Satan, in the throws of this world can smoke and be delivered unto peace and spirituality as an aid to get where they are going, are very different things. We are talking about delivering one from their flesh into the Spirit. Which is what Jesus is all about. Again I am not talking for those who are strong enough to dwell in the Lord we are talking about people truly caught in the throws of the flesh. As far as murdering people, you keep resorting back to fleshly lusts, covets and wraths. They are not even relatively in the same ball park my brother. Scripture?

Romans 8:6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

its just a temporary tool for those who don't have the faith to tap into the power of our Lord Jesus at will.
God keep you, and be safe

jimmydiggs · Aug 19, 2011

I like Romans 8:6. It actually supports what I've been trying to demonstrate.

Refer to my post earlier, where I demonstrated by several principles, Marijuana (except maybe for medical reasons, but I say maybe), is forbidden.

Also, deadtosin, are you a Rastafari?

Deadtosin · Aug 19, 2011

jimmydiggs said:

the desire I had when smoking marijuana in my youth was to be rid of anger and frustration. Often times it was the last resort before I did something stupid out of rage. That is hardly considered desiring after something forbidden if my main focus is to not give in to my twisted emotional outpour. I had never heard of rustafari until I just googled it and though I didn't really read into it, the answer is no because I have never studied under anything but the bible and what Jesus has put in my heart. I will no longer argue with you, for we are going nowhere fast. Before you judge me, for your own sake I ask you to not judge so you will not be judged. Stay blessed and be safe

jimmydiggs · Aug 19, 2011

Deadtosin.

Please use scripture as your basis for determining truth, not conjecture.

Thank you.

Deadtosin · Aug 19, 2011

jimmydiggs said:

Joshuatcme · Aug 22, 2011

yes smoking marijuana is a sin it's harmful to your body (the temple of the Holy Spirit is your body if your saved). I dont approve of sin, but if you do sin I belive you should know or be told what sin is a sin so that you'll be able to repent of it.

karine___ · Aug 23, 2011

it's one more of the things that try to take Jesus' place in a person's life , it can also be food, music, friends, parties, relationships, TV and the list goes on .the comforts the world offers to divert our focus from the Truth.

RCJayhwak937 · Aug 23, 2011

Simple...Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. I know im going to get the argument about how it says food, when most people smoke it. But you can also eat it and get high.

shiner500 · Aug 26, 2011

RCJayhwak937 said:

If you base your decision on this one verse that would mean we can eat anything(poison ivy, Castor beans ,etc.)

Unicorn_Love · Aug 27, 2011

I watched a comedian on youtube, don't remember his name, but he was an atheist, and he mentioned about the story of Moses and how God spoke w him through a burning bush. The comedian expressed that burning bush was, well, weed! I thought about it for a while, and can't seem to convince myself if it's true or not, but it was funny. My own experience of smoking weed is, I think a lot of the Lord God and the book of revelations. And I'll tell you right now, I'm not at all relaxed! I can actually hear and see evil stuff and experienced bazaar paranoia. I could remember only having one peaceful smoke session and I felt relieved from tension, sadness, and I had this smile on my face that could of brighten the wholeeee world. I guess it depends who you smoke with to. I can't smoke w someone that is going to mix it with alcohol or wants to fornicate or fight. These are evil untrustworthy people to smoke with seriously! I like to smoke w people that are thirsty and hungry for the Lord God and feel a message revealed through the "high". Not those that hunger for the first candy bar or cheeseburger at the near Mcdonalds! Which is called "munchies". I also discovered a natural healing career the last time I smoked weed! I discovered reflexology and I love it and it helps others tremendously! I've heard weed kills brain cells. Well in my circumstance I've become wiser and more open to learning the word of God and advancing my vocabulary. I'm not a typical weed smoker that does it for the fun or fit in or party hardy type. I don't know why I smoke considering how petrified I get, but the blessing I get afterwards, it's really awesome. Believe it or not. I still prefer the natural high! Weed is part of nature, right? I don't like those rap videos that boast about weed smoking w girls half naked dancing around or wearing bling bling and driving fancy cars or showing off guns ready to pop somebody off in the streets like an innocent child or elderly person! To me that's perverse and cowardice and shows example about the whole missing brain cells oppression of the natural herb! Let me know when you find a Godly weed smoker....bet you won't, if it even exist!

RCJayhwak937 · Aug 28, 2011

Anyone can eat all that stuff. NO one is stopping you. But you might die from eating it. Smoking or eating weed wont hurt/kill you.

Muskokaman · Aug 28, 2011

Genesis 1:30 (Whole Chapter)
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

I used to have an old friend of mine come over and visit me , nice guy and fairly intelligent he use to have a saying....God made grass man made booze who you gonna trust.
My point is NOT to say that we should be stoners because that would be no different than being a drunkard but as the scriptures say God gave us this plant and billions of others and it`s my firm belief that all plants and trees have their place on earth and any government who criminalizes the use of any plant in its natural form while still condoning the use of alcohol,abortion,premarital sex is being as contradictory as it could be and obviously supports those who would gain financialy from the propagation of these heresies.
It`s only my opinion take it for what it`s worth to you

Selah

shiner500 · Aug 29, 2011

RCJayhwak937 said:

You may want to read this
NIDA - Publications - Marijuana: Facts for Teens

Deadtosin · Aug 29, 2011

Unicorn_Love said:

I said it earlier and I'll say it again, I not only began the early stages of my walk with God as a smoker, I shared countless hours of gospel with friends, their relatives and friends while smoking at my pond, truly no joke-just as God has used sinners to reach the lost, He has used me and weed to help teach me His word and spread His words to the lost. Once my friend Richard and his wife were at church and the pastor stood at the podium and said this about alcohol " when you go out and you drink, your judgement goes out the window, you suddenly lust after things and become unruly and beligerant, thats why it becomes a sin, it causes you to sin by disrupting your moral fiber" he said " now if when you were drinking you became patient and Godly and couldn't stop preaching the word of God you wouldn't be sinning" he looked at the members of the church " does that sound like anyone you know?" he said sarcastically. My friends looked at eachother, smiled and said "Jeff" (they told me this story at a later date)
Some people here scoff at the idea that God would use me while under the influence of marijuana, I heard a pastor explain it best today. He wasn't talking about this in particular but it fits. He said many christians these days are afraid of getting dirty. Well when you are saving sinners it can get dirty. They are wallowing in dirt. I have gone to party's and drank and talked about God and I've smoked and talked about God and do you know what? for some of those people, who would slam the door on a church member or scoff at the television or your testimony. For me (Jeff) a trained fighter who their friends and peers respected, or even just the people in the bar, for me to drink, shoot pool and eventually maybe even smoke marijuana with them I'd share a few stories about life and I'd listen well. They would begin to trust me and eventually they would open up a way to breech that subject maybe even 2 or 3 hours in and thats when I could give my testimony and I promise you. That has been a very powerful tool that the Lord has used. I've witnessed it. Praise GOD.

babarainbowsheep · Aug 29, 2011

Use and missuse and the balance or line can be difficult sometimes or one can make "excuses" for doing it and that its not doing harm.
It is a problem in society though and many do it daily all day even at work and are clearly addicted to it.

Was funny I was with a man once who grew marijuana plants and he came home and I thought expected a cuddle and joy to see me but he ran straight to the marijuana plants past me "where are my babys".He put a lot of love into them and smoked em with love perhaps....

Its not for me anyway.
I dont react well to it.

This week I am giving up alcohol.
I was previously drinking alcohol one or 2 glasses with dinner or in bath but have a history of over drinking when drinking so get highly "off me rockers" (bad) .
I had a couple "fallbacks" last few yrs and cause I have a "rocky past" with torture and many moves etc etc I react, repond badly to alcohol often.
Perhaps it was when I had surgery for cancer recently I was so lonely and just needed a friend or a true cuddle.
I went out and had a "fall back".Got a cuddle (non sexual) but just a good touch.In hospital I wanted there to be good spirits or my friends to be there to visit but no.I visited some children though.

Anyway , even if I didnt missuse alcohol majority I know that I have history of alcohol problems and have had fallbacks and I know that I am "drawn" to drink also.Its better to make decision not to.

In Sweden it is highly 4bidden to smoke marijuana and all the bad sideeffects are layed out for everyone.
In Australia and other countruies its like "having a beer"...
Pickuplines even included "want to come home and have a smoke" lol

Best wishes anyway with you and hope you will feel what is right for you.
Because its you who has to make the decision.

I was addicted to sleeping tablets for mny yrs and the Dr said "take it" I said no, I want to stop.She encouraged me to take them although I had eaten them for yrs and they are not to be taken more than a few months.
I decided to go against her and I quit on my own.
Bad withdrawals, twitchy body pulled in millions directions, no peace.......

Quit smoking cigarettes also
During a period I was tormented by some really bad people.(long story)
But I thought "thats what they want" me to be "down there" smoking does not make me happeier, does not heal me, does not comfort me, does not make my problems go away.
I was in a lot of pain for other things going on in my life but was determined.Layed curled up for yrs for what went on but was determined not to smoke.

Determination is a good thing
(except if its a pshycopath/sociopath determined to make your life horrid in every way can........if they are determined in malicious illwill then thats not good) (and God help us as they often have families, lie good, positions in society etc)

I personally want to choose to lay my money and time on more upbuilding things.
Massage your hands or.......... something

Love / V

Muskokaman · Aug 29, 2011

God made grass man made booze who you gonna trust
Funny thing about this topic is that few people know the ins and outs of it.
Legally speaking it was not made illegal until well in to prohibition in 1936 when the U.S. government due to a prodding by a very select few criminalized it.
Probably for the lack of use of alcohol due to the sobriety movement of the late 19th century and early 20th century and to further the financial gains of the select few who were very heavily invested in the alcohol trade itself.
Arguments supporting both sides of the coin have been proposed over the years with either side firm in their beliefs.

Once again I say to you that any government or monarchy who supports criminalization of any plant tree or anything else made by God yet at the same time condones abortion, alcohol propagation for the purpose of consumption, Tobaccoo usage and many other legalized drugs is in serious contradiction of it's own laws and ordinances on which it stands for the purposes of financial gain and control of the masses NOTHING MORE

This is not to say that we all should become potheads for as the old Jewish proverb says "all things in moderation"
The true arguement here is not whether it should be legal or illegal but rather that the people should retain their freedom of choice which was given to us by God in the first place as to what they feel is the right course of action. Govern ourselves!

This Ideaology was propounded by the founding fathers of the United States only millenia after the gift of free will was given to Adam by God in the first place.
Yet in 235 years it would seem we have forgotten almost entirely everything that they struggled to achieve in the first place.
One nation under God isn't that what Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independance?
Moses gave us the law and Jesus gave us a chance at redemption Our nations need to go back to the only law we need The Bible and focus on redemption a lot more

SELAH

lil_christian · Aug 29, 2011

Marijuana is a mild hallucinogen. Occultists use it to get to a "higher level of conscience." (DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT SAYING NOR AM I IMPLYING ANYONE IS AN OCCULTIST) It is no different than other hallucinogens like PCP or LSD or "Shrums"(I know this stuff because I know someone who is an ex-druggie and I read this from my Health books.). Whether you are a Christian or not, it does not matter. It is dangerous to get high off of them. It's also definitely time to stop if you are "Meeting God" whenever you smoke it. Before Adam and Eve sinned, fire did not exist. They did not need fire. Everything they needed was at their fingertips. And so, I think that burning something and smelling the fumes from it to get a "high" is wrong. Extremely. To need something to get to Jesus is just...not right. We shouldn't have to use anything to get to Jesus, Unless it's meditating on Scripture (meditating on Scripture and meditating to clear your mind and all that are two different things.) and prayer.

TheGrungeDiva · Aug 29, 2011

USNCorpsman76 said:

I agree with the second part of this, and disagree with the first.

Any Christian should be concerned about the use of illegal drugs because of the types of people it puts you in contact with. In order for me to smoke weed, I have to approach a black-market seller to sell me some. Either that, or I have to grow it myself, which is a class A Felony and can hurt my family if I am caught.

That said, as others have mentioned, marijuana specifically is actually less harmful to the body than alcohol and cigarettes. Personally, I think smoking anything -- tobacco or pot -- is a sin because it causes permanent and irreparable damage to your body. Your body is your temple. Would you burn a temple to the Lord? And we all know that drunkenness is a sin, though drinking is not a sin as long as you don't drink to excess.

Any drug that is used to help us -- whether an aspirin for a headache or insulin for a diabetic or whatever -- is, in my opinion, provided by God to help heal us. If marijuana were legal, I would put it in the same category of other legal drugs. Are you partaking in that drug to help yourself or to lose yourself? If the first, then I don't see it as a sin. If it's the second, then you need help, the same as any alcoholic or other sinner.

To say categorically "drugs are bad" is just silly. The whole point of medication is to help the human body and health, not harm it.

There is also the argument that Jesus tells us to respect state authority (give unto Ceasar...), though I know there are cases where we should NOT submit to the state authority if it's telling us to do something that goes against God.

Deadtosin · Aug 29, 2011

lil_christian said:

Never in all of the years that I've known marijuana, has anyone EVER hallucinated around me, or even spoke to me about it. Paranoia, short term memory loss and sometimes feeling ill have been the worst effects I've ever heard of from the horses mouth. AND I'VE KNOWN A LOT OF HORSES. It is EXTREMELY DIFFERENT THAN PCP, LSD and SHROOMS, I couldn't care less what any health book said if they claim such things. I have taken LSD and SHROOMS it is beyond the realm of comprehention to put them in the same continent, let alone the same ball park

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