Jesus Was Made Perfect?

[Aaron56]

what part of the unequivocal declaration of His eternal kingdom is a "requirement"?

The first part is

"But to the Son He says:"

The Father speaking to the Son.

I set it within covenant language wherein both sides meet the requirements of the covenant. Jesus, the Son, met the requirements of the agreement and the Father declared the outcome.

Jesus said this:

“I have glorified You on the earth: I have finished the work which You gave me to do. And now, O Father, glorify me with Your own self with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

And the Father said this:

"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom."

Plainly, there is only One over whom this is declared: Christ Jesus.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The first part is

"But to the Son He says:"

The Father speaking to the Son.

I set it within covenant language wherein both sides meet the requirements of the covenant. Jesus, the Son, met the requirements of the agreement and the Father declared the outcome.

Jesus said this:

“I have glorified You on the earth: I have finished the work which You gave me to do. And now, O Father, glorify me with Your own self with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

And the Father said this:

"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom."

Plainly, there is only One over whom this is declared: Christ Jesus.

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10‬ ‭

brother Hebrews is talking about the difference in Jesus the son and angels how much greater Jesus is than angels who mediated the first covenant

its God ( father ) speaking of himself in the form of a man ( son)

God had never been revealed in earth before Jesus was born it’s God stepping into the earth as a man his humanity was perfected through experiencing the struggles and plight of man’s infirmities but overcoming them he became a perfected man never touched by sin and therefore became the one mediator between God and man the man Jesus Christ

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭

God in heaven became the mediator the man on earth

 

[Aaron56]

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10‬ ‭

brother Hebrews is talking about the difference in Jesus the son and angels how much greater Jesus is than angels who mediated the first covenant

its God ( father ) speaking of himself in the form of a man ( son)

God had never been revealed in earth before Jesus was born it’s God stepping into the earth as a man his humanity was perfected through experiencing the struggles and plight of man’s infirmities but overcoming them he became a perfected man never touched by sin and therefore became the one mediator between God and man the man Jesus Christ

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭

God in heaven became the mediator the man on earth

Of course this is all true. I'm explaining WHY God does things the way He does.

There are various levels of understanding the scriptures. There are messages for the mature and there are messages that cover just the basics (like "Christ and Him crucified").

From the beginning, when God said "Let there be light", God began revealing Himself to man. In fact, all of creation was designed to display the wisdom and character of God. His audience has always been man. Therefore, when He reveals something about Himself He does so with man in mind. Often, but not always, He delivers revelation to the OT prophets before revealing the revelation plainly in the earth.

So there is a prophesy and then there is the reality.

Like the scripture at hand:"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom."

We find this first written by the sons of Korah in Psalm 45.

Much later (perhaps over 1500 years), the writer of Hebrews then attributes the passage to Christ Jesus. This is to show, plainly, that Christ Jesus, who appeared to man in the earth, was the living reality of Psalm 45.

This pattern, revealed and then reality, is all throughout the Bible. God does this as a witness to man: so that what is true in the spiritual may register in the natural senses of man. It can even be recorded and written down. It is not enough that God CAN do something. He also wants man, his audience, to know WHY He does things. Like any loving Father, He wants His children to know Him thoroughly. This is the character of an all-powerful being Who is defined by "love".

That's all I have to say about that (so far).

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The first part is

"But to the Son He says:"

The Father speaking to the Son.

I set it within covenant language wherein both sides meet the requirements of the covenant. Jesus, the Son, met the requirements of the agreement and the Father declared the outcome.

Jesus said this:

“I have glorified You on the earth: I have finished the work which You gave me to do. And now, O Father, glorify me with Your own self with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

And the Father said this:

"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom."

Plainly, there is only One over whom this is declared: Christ Jesus.

“Thou art my King, O God: Command deliverances for Jacob.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭44:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:15‬ ‭

“My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: My tongue is The pen of a ready writer. Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, With thy glory and thy majesty. And in thy majesty ride prosperously Because of truth and meekness and righteousness; And thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.

Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:

The sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: For he is thy Lord; and worship thou him. I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: Therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭45:1, 3-4, 6-7, 11, 17‬ ‭

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22-23, 26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

make man in our image let them have dominion ….

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Proverbs 16:6
The closest panel I have to Proverbs 16:3 is 16:6. I hope you don't mind me posting it .

I love it. This beautiful artwork reflects what I believe is the single most important "thing" to grasp within the Bible . . . The Power of God. If a person does not Rightly grasp the Power of God, they will not Fear Him in the Right and appropriate way. Without Godly Fear, there will be no Wisdom, and where there is no Wisdom, there is no Knowledge, and where there is no Knowledge, there is no Understanding.

Understanding, Knowledge, Wisdom

Christ permits understanding
The Spirit Grants Knowledge
Knowledge is converted to the Wisdom of God, proven by Love for others and overall, consistent obedience

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Practice makes perfect perhaps? Maybe this is in Proverbs. I have had a lot of practice but far from perfect though.

It has become clear in hours of mulling over Hebrews, the Eternal Plan of God always involved the suffering of Christ. It had to be done. The Old Law (of course, for the Blessed Jews) couldn't suffer. The Law couldn't cleanse a person's conscience. The Law couldn't be nailed a cross. The Law couldn't bleed; it couldn't shed blood. Therefore, when Jesus rose from the dead, His faithful act within His human body that suffered, was worthy of receiving His Promised Crown in Heaven, thus completing the Davidic Covenant. Jesus, having Risen from the Grave and having received His Crown, now awaits for His 2nd Advent.

Suffering. It was always a part of God's remarkable and Holy Plan. Unbelievable.

 

[Karlon]

Hola Scholars! You know, I remember seeing the below Scripture many times, but have never taken the time to investigate it. Check it out . . .

Hebrews 5:8-9 NIV - "Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him . . ."

I've looked at quite a few different translations and the idea is consistent . . . that Jesus was somehow changed to a point of perfection. In fact, now that I think of it, and I may be wrong here, but I think within the Davidic Covenant, there is a passage that states that if Jesus sins, he will be punished for His wrongdoing. 2 Sam 07:11-16

Guys . . . What thoughts come to mind?

i never heard that Jesus was changed as you say. i don't think He was ever changed, He was always perfect.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

i never heard that Jesus was changed as you say. i don't think He was ever changed, He was always perfect.

he wasnt always a man though. a man’s perfection is found out only when he dies the culmination of a perfect life on the flesh never sinning even to his last breath suffering all of it as a man he eas put to the test and found to be the perfect man

 

[posthuman]

The first part is

"But to the Son He says:"

The Father speaking to the Son.

I set it within covenant language wherein both sides meet the requirements of the covenant. Jesus, the Son, met the requirements of the agreement and the Father declared the outcome.

Jesus said this:

“I have glorified You on the earth: I have finished the work which You gave me to do. And now, O Father, glorify me with Your own self with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

And the Father said this:

"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom."

Plainly, there is only One over whom this is declared: Christ Jesus.

It appears the work He had to do required Him to set humble Himself, setting aside His glory.

 

[Aaron56]

It appears the work He had to do required Him to set humble Himself, setting aside His glory.

Yes!

Humility is part of the Godhead. We see the Father defer to the Son in all things. We see the Son only do what He sees His Father doing. And we see the Spirit not speak on His own but deliver only what He hears from the Son.

 

[Cameron143]

Yes!

Humility is part of the Godhead. We see the Father defer to the Son in all things. We see the Son only do what He sees His Father doing. And we see the Spirit not speak on His own but deliver only what He hears from the Son.

Which is a picture of Divine love. The Father giving to the Son, the Son giving to the Spirit, the Spirit giving to the Father, and so much so that in giving they are receiving and in receiving they are giving. It becomes impossible to separate the giving from the receiving.
I believe this is the model for all relationships, especially marriage.

 

[posthuman]

Which is a picture of Divine love. The Father giving to the Son, the Son giving to the Spirit, the Spirit giving to the Father, and so much so that in giving they are receiving and in receiving they are giving. It becomes impossible to separate the giving from the receiving.
I believe this is the model for all relationships, especially marriage.

Love does not envy, or boast. Love does not seek its own

 

[Cameron143]

Love does not envy, or boast. Love does not seek its own

Sounds like you know your way around 1 Corinthians 13.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Yes!

Humility is part of the Godhead. We see the Father defer to the Son in all things. We see the Son only do what He sees His Father doing. And we see the Spirit not speak on His own but deliver only what He hears from the Son.

How insightful! That is an amazing thing to notice.

So many great ideas and things to offer from this group. I feel so Blessed by this wonderful group!

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Hola Scholars! You know, I remember seeing the below Scripture many times, but have never taken the time to investigate it. Check it out . . .

Hebrews 5:8-9 NIV - "Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him . . ."

I've looked at quite a few different translations and the idea is consistent . . . that Jesus was somehow changed to a point of perfection. In fact, now that I think of it, and I may be wrong here, but I think within the Davidic Covenant, there is a passage that states that if Jesus sins, he will be punished for His wrongdoing. 2 Sam 07:11-16

Guys . . . What thoughts come to mind?

May I add a suggestion 🙂

He went from being a precious living stone to a chief corner stone

Oh i don't know if you saw my email I sent you.

Just remind me of your email at some point.

But I believe every life is a precious living stone.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

May I add a suggestion 🙂

He went from being a precious living stone to a chief corner stone

Oh i don't know if you saw my email I sent you.

Just remind me of your email at some point.

But I believe every life is a precious living stone.

That is very interesting that you would menthion that Christ went from a Living Stone to a Chief Cornerstone. That further supports the completion of Messiah's qualifications for becoming the Perfect High Priest.

No sir! No email as of yet. Oh wait, I just checked spam and see a message from someone six days ago. Was that you?

 

[OLDMANBORNAGAIN]

I believe that JESUS CHRIST was DEFINITELY made perfect! He's part of The TRINITY!

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

That is very interesting that you would menthion that Christ went from a Living Stone to a Chief Cornerstone. That further supports the completion of Messiah's qualifications for becoming the Perfect High Priest.

No sir! No email as of yet. Oh wait, I just checked spam and see a message from someone six days ago. Was that you?

Yes it's in scripture 🙂
Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

You also have his life in you before your saved before this next part you have a stone in you

— 5 you also, like living stones,


are being built into a spiritual house[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says:



“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”[b]
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,

“The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”[c]
8 and,

“A stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.”[d]
They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of


him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
Here you go tim
[email protected] 🙂

Pm me anytime.

 

[Magenta]

when He was baptized, tho He had no need of it, He said it must be done to fulfill all righteousness.

His Messiahship was made complete; He finished the work.

Baptism was required/part of the law of/for priests before they took up their ministry.
That is how Jesus fulfilled all righteousness in that regard...

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Baptism was required/part of the law of/for priests before they took up their ministry.

Interesting. Is there an actual Scripture that states this, or is that info from another source?