BIBLE, Book of Daniel 7..19-26 (Theoretical explanation)

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John1978

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19 I wanted to be sure about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and was exceedingly terrible: it had iron teeth, bronze claws, it devoured and crushed and trampled the rest with its feet,
23 He said this: “The fourth beast - there will be a fourth kingdom on earth, it will be different from all kingdoms; he will devour the whole earth, tread it down, and crush it.
(New world order)
24 And ten horns - ten kings will arise from that kingdom.
(Ten equally powerful countries will want to form a one world government)
After them another will arise, he will be different from the previous ones and he will depose the three kings.
(Globalists/antichrist, will destroy three kings out of ten .. weakening and destroying USA, Russia and China)
25 He will speak against the Most High and destroy the saints of the Most High.
(Denying the Bible and Jesus Christ, banning Christianity)
He will seek to change the times and the law. The saints shall be delivered into his hand until time and times and half a time,
(Creation of one new super tolerant religion....persecuting Christians and those who will not want the "mark of the beast", duration of NWO for "42 months")
26 but the judgment will sit and the rulership will be taken away from him, and he will be completely destroyed and destroyed.
(The destruction of the NWO, a global storm after which the small remnant of humanity will start over)
 
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I think your view is common in a lot of eschatology today. However, my take is that this beast follows chronologically from the other three. The first, historically, is Babylon, then, the Medes/Persians and then Greece. Thus, the 4th beast would be the Roman Empire. Also, I think Daniel’s vision has to do with a time when righteousness would come and sin removed…which I think lines us perfectly with the 3.5 year ministry of Jesus which culminmates at the cross. So the ”time, times and half a time” would be referring to what is left in the final “week” of Daniel’s timeline.

I believe the “time, times and half a time” refers to the period of the Church. I think Revelation also backs this view as it often points to the period of suffering that Christians endure as 3 and a half years. Unfortunately, I think some Christians misunderstand this symbolism in Revelation and attempt to add these periods as a “seven year tribulation” when John does not intend for these times to be added…but uses them to point us back to Daniel’s prediction of a period of suffering, trial and testing for Christians.
 
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I'm just glad you said "theoretical explanation" in your OP Title. Because there is no Biblical evidence that Daniel was speaking of NWO. As for the persecution of Christians, that has been going on since Jesus rose from the grave and claimed His Throne in heaven.

If you are looking for the tribulations, take a second, get up from your computer and look out your window, WALLA! The Tribulations!
 
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I saw in certain reports that under the "antichrist's" rule, there will be such a persecution of Christians that anyone who has a Bible or other Christian artifacts with him will receive the death penalty...
that the rest of society will hunt down every day those who do not want the mark of the beast, that Christians will hide from them deep in the woods and on the mountains
 
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johnpegasis7 said:
I saw in certain reports that under the "antichrist's" rule, there will be such a persecution of Christians that anyone who has a Bible or other Christian artifacts with him will receive the death penalty...
that the rest of society will hunt down every day those who do not want the mark of the beast, that Christians will hide from them deep in the woods and on the mountains
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And whence cometh these "certain reports"?
 
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johnpegasis7 said:
that Christians will hide from them deep in the woods and on the mountains
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Whoever did that "report," did not know the Christians I know. They/we will not be hiding deep in any woods or in the mountains. We will be locked and loaded, and ready to stand and defend the Faith and those who practice the Faith.
 
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The Scriptures teach clearly that there will be a 7 Year Tribulation (in 2 parts) . During it there will be a One World Dictator (empowered by Satan), with control of a One World Bank, and One World Apostate Church (Led by a False Prophet). Those who do not follow both will be severely persecuted.
And it's all going to happen very soon.
 
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John1978 said:
19 I wanted to be sure about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and was exceedingly terrible: it had iron teeth, bronze claws, it devoured and crushed and trampled the rest with its feet,
23 He said this: “The fourth beast - there will be a fourth kingdom on earth, it will be different from all kingdoms; he will devour the whole earth, tread it down, and crush it.
(New world order)
24 And ten horns - ten kings will arise from that kingdom.
(Ten equally powerful countries will want to form a one world government)
After them another will arise, he will be different from the previous ones and he will depose the three kings.
(Globalists/antichrist, will destroy three kings out of ten .. weakening and destroying USA, Russia and China)
25 He will speak against the Most High and destroy the saints of the Most High.
(Denying the Bible and Jesus Christ, banning Christianity)
He will seek to change the times and the law. The saints shall be delivered into his hand until time and times and half a time,
(Creation of one new super tolerant religion....persecuting Christians and those who will not want the "mark of the beast", duration of NWO for "42 months")
26 but the judgment will sit and the rulership will be taken away from him, and he will be completely destroyed and destroyed.
(The destruction of the NWO, a global storm after which the small remnant of humanity will start over)
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You have mentioned that USA, China and Russia are the 3 nations/Kings that are destroyed. Daniel says in chapter 11 that the 3 nations are:


He shall become ruler of the treasures of gold and of silver, and all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall follow in his train. Dan 11:43 These are all nations surrounding the Mediterranean sea. These 10 nations are from the Old Roman empire.
 
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Shilohsfoal

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The ten nations are Muslim majority nations that attack Jerusalem on the day of the Lord.The little horn is the little country called Israel which will persecute the christians within that little country.

They still be hating Jesus without a cause.Nothing new under the sun.
 
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Shilohsfoal

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Omegatime said:
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You have mentioned that USA, China and Russia are the 3 nations/Kings that are destroyed. Daniel says in chapter 11 that the 3 nations are:


He shall become ruler of the treasures of gold and of silver, and all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall follow in his train. Dan 11:43 These are all nations surrounding the Mediterranean sea. These 10 nations are from the Old Roman empire.
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The three nations which the little horn subdued was ,Egypt,Syria and Jordan.
This was fulfilled in 1967 in the 6 day war.

The king of the north in Daniel 11 is not the little horn.Theres nothing little about the king of the north or his country.

He does give the little horn his armed forces though.And why not,the United States government gives the Israeli government about anything it wants no matter what it does with it.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
The three nations which the little horn subdued was ,Egypt,Syria and Jordan.
This was fulfilled in 1967 in the 6 day war.

The king of the north in Daniel 11 is not the little horn.Theres nothing little about the king of the north or his country.

He does give the little horn his armed forces though.And why not,the United States government gives the Israeli government about anything it wants no matter what it does with it.
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Impossible for many reasoms--Tribulation of 7 years has not even started yet, and the antichrist, a man , has not made a covenant with many
 
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Shilohsfoal

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LenMcM said:
The Scriptures teach clearly that there will be a 7 Year Tribulation (in 2 parts) . During it there will be a One World Dictator (empowered by Satan), with control of a One World Bank, and One World Apostate Church (Led by a False Prophet). Those who do not follow both will be severely persecuted.
And it's all going to happen very soon.
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The scripture teaches clearly that there will be a 3.5 year tribulation in Israel while the christians in Israel are persecuted .

Daniel 7
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.


A time,times and a half =3.5 years.
It will probably start next year.
 
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Shilohsfoal

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Impossible for many reasoms--Tribulation of 7 years has not even started yet, and the antichrist, a man , has not made a covenant with many
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Not impossibly
It's very likely that after Trump is reelected that he will give Israel a host.
 
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Chaps said:
I think your view is common in a lot of eschatology today. However, my take is that this beast follows chronologically from the other three. The first, historically, is Babylon, then, the Medes/Persians and then Greece. Thus, the 4th beast would be the Roman Empire. Also, I think Daniel’s vision has to do with a time when righteousness would come and sin removed…which I think lines us perfectly with the 3.5 year ministry of Jesus which culminmates at the cross. So the ”time, times and half a time” would be referring to what is left in the final “week” of Daniel’s timeline.

I believe the “time, times and half a time” refers to the period of the Church. I think Revelation also backs this view as it often points to the period of suffering that Christians endure as 3 and a half years. Unfortunately, I think some Christians misunderstand this symbolism in Revelation and attempt to add these periods as a “seven year tribulation” when John does not intend for these times to be added…but uses them to point us back to Daniel’s prediction of a period of suffering, trial and testing for Christians.
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Rome being the fourth beast is the historical, best fit.
Rome executed the Christ.
Rome destroyed the temple.
Rome slaughtered the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

The book of Daniel was addressed to the Jewish nation.

It would be unwise to extrapolate the narration of Daniel into the far distant future.

I would agree with you, Chaps.
 
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From one of John's disciples:

Then he says: A fourth beast, dreadful and terrible; it had iron teeth and claws of brass. And who are these but the Romans? Which (kingdom) is meant by the iron — the kingdom which is now established; for the legs of that (image) were of iron. And after this, what remains, beloved, but the toes of the feet of the image, in which part is iron and part clay, mixed together? And mystically by the toes of the feet he meant the kings who are to arise from among them; as Daniel also says (in the words), I considered the beast, and lo there were ten horns behind it, among which shall rise another (horn), an offshoot, and shall pluck up by the roots the three (that were) before it. And under this was signified none other than Antichrist, who is also himself to raise the kingdom of the Jews. He says that three horns are plucked up by the root by him, viz., the three kings of Egypt, and Libya, and Ethiopia, whom he cuts off in the array of battle. And he, after gaining terrible power over all, being nevertheless a tyrant, shall stir up tribulation and persecution against men, exalting himself against them. For Daniel says: I considered the horn, and behold that horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them, till the beast was slain and perished, and its body was given to the burning of fire.

And to think Hilter didn't even get an honorable mention, and that is because he wasn't from the middle east
 
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Shilohsfoal

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Omegatime said:
From one of John's disciples:

Then he says: A fourth beast, dreadful and terrible; it had iron teeth and claws of brass. And who are these but the Romans? Which (kingdom) is meant by the iron — the kingdom which is now established; for the legs of that (image) were of iron. And after this, what remains, beloved, but the toes of the feet of the image, in which part is iron and part clay, mixed together? And mystically by the toes of the feet he meant the kings who are to arise from among them; as Daniel also says (in the words), I considered the beast, and lo there were ten horns behind it, among which shall rise another (horn), an offshoot, and shall pluck up by the roots the three (that were) before it. And under this was signified none other than Antichrist, who is also himself to raise the kingdom of the Jews. He says that three horns are plucked up by the root by him, viz., the three kings of Egypt, and Libya, and Ethiopia, whom he cuts off in the array of battle. And he, after gaining terrible power over all, being nevertheless a tyrant, shall stir up tribulation and persecution against men, exalting himself against them. For Daniel says: I considered the horn, and behold that horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them, till the beast was slain and perished, and its body was given to the burning of fire.

And to think Hilter didn't even get an honorable mention, and that is because he wasn't from the middle east
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Jesus said Israels leaders will kill his prophets and apostles andlittle Israel doesn't even get an honorable mention.

In the meantime the United states government is contemplating measures aimed at punishing anyone who does not support Israels leaders .It's getting more and more interesting everyday now.
 
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johnpegasis7 said:
I saw in certain reports that under the "antichrist's" rule, there will be such a persecution of Christians that anyone who has a Bible or other Christian artifacts with him will receive the death penalty...
that the rest of society will hunt down every day those who do not want the mark of the beast, that Christians will hide from them deep in the woods and on the mountains
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Where do you see christians will hide..
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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the 4th beast is rome.

However, rome is in two parts (see chapter 2)

the first rome (legs of iron) were around when Jesus was crucified.

the second one has not yet appeared. (the first rome does not fit the characteristics of the 4th beast)
 
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Rome is not part of the kingdom being spoken of.
Rome is not in the promised land.
 
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