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Sure it does. Say you have a car with a radio, cig lighter, and windshield wipers. If you never used any of them, does that mean the car doesn't still have them? So it is with holy spirit. We get the complete gift, it's a package deal. Most Christians don't know what they have. It doesn't mean they don't have it.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You are ignorant, and vocal in your ignorance.
Pentecostals do it because they are trying to do what the bible says. They don't have everything right, and some of it is wrong and looks ridiculous. But they are trying.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You are ignorant, and vocal in your ignorance.
Pentecostals do it because they are trying to do what the bible says. They don't have everything right, and some of it is wrong and looks ridiculous. But they are trying.
the tongue, a language
Original Word: γλῶσσα, ης, ἡPart of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: glóssa
Phonetic Spelling: (gloce-sah')
Short Definition: the tongue, a language, nation
Definition: the tongue, a language, a nation (usually distinguished by their speech).
1100 glṓssa – tongue, used of flowing speech; (figuratively) speaking, inspired by God, like the evidence of tongues-speaking supplied by the Lord in the book of Acts to demonstrate the arrival of the new age of the covenant (i.e. NT times).
[The normative experience of the 120 believers received "tongues (1100 /glṓssa) as of fire" (Ac 2:3) and miraculously spoke in other actual languages, i.e. that they could not speak before (Ac 2:4f). This sign was repeated in Ac 10:46, 19:6 – furnishing ample proof (three attestations) that the Lord had incorporated all believers into Christ's (mystical) body (1 Cor 12:13).]
tongue.
Of uncertain affinity; the tongue; by implication, a language (specially, one naturally unacquired) -- tongue.
1 Corinthians 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn't love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
Meaning/Intent 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, and of butterflies, if i could swim across the ocean and back, if i could leap tall buildings in a single bound, but didn't love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal or maybe superman.
Try a better translation
13) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
"Though I speak", not "If I could speak"
True, except for the part about superman and butterflies. The manifestations, if not done in love (agape) are useless to the one doing them.
13) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
"Though I speak", not "If I could speak"
True, except for the part about superman and butterflies. The manifestations, if not done in love (agape) are useless to the one doing them.
hi shroom:
you mean a translation that works for your charismaticism?
though i walk on two legs and fly as an angel and have not love, i'm just a wooden spoon on a pot.
though i had a million dollars and travelled the world and had not love i'm a hobo.
though i speak with the languages of men and of angels and have not love i am become as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.
a) did paul speak angelic languages?
b) what language do angels speak when they interact with men?
c) did paul become a gong?
d) did paul become a tinkling cymbal?
tongues:
1) that thing in your mouth that moves and around and licks your lips and helps form sounds
2) languages
is paul talking about languages, shroomster?
did they speak languages at Pentecost?
or unintelligable noises?
what manifestations?
even if the gifts they had at corinth or Acts where extant in your church today, they are not what you say they are.
you would be miraculously speaking one of these languages:
because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
zone
you mean a translation that works for your charismaticism?
though i walk on two legs and fly as an angel and have not love, i'm just a wooden spoon on a pot.
though i had a million dollars and travelled the world and had not love i'm a hobo.
though i speak with the languages of men and of angels and have not love i am become as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.
a) did paul speak angelic languages?
b) what language do angels speak when they interact with men?
c) did paul become a gong?
d) did paul become a tinkling cymbal?
tongues:
1) that thing in your mouth that moves and around and licks your lips and helps form sounds
2) languages
is paul talking about languages, shroomster?
did they speak languages at Pentecost?
or unintelligable noises?
what manifestations?
even if the gifts they had at corinth or Acts where extant in your church today, they are not what you say they are.
you would be miraculously speaking one of these languages:
because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
zone
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I've posted this somewhere prior shroom but I'll say it again. When the angels spoke to mankind, what language were they speaking but one that could be understood by the listener ? A "language or tongue" is purely and solely a tool and a means by which we communicate. It is a means by which we can hear and understand. What "language" is God speaking when He speaks to us thru His Spirit to our hearts ? God speaking to us, whether thru angels or thru our hearts is purely in and of itself ..... communicating that we might hear and understand. It is not now nor ever was about "dialect". Understanding and conviction of our need for Christ......THIS is God's language.....regardless of dialect. And this is exactly what happened at pentecost, as you well know. Each heard God's message being preached in their own native earthly tongue. Can you honestly say with conviction that we are to desire a "heavenly gibberish" that makes no sense to us ? And for arguments sake, even if we were speaking a "heavenly language" that was meant to be interpreted for the body, doesn't the fact that it requires to be interpreted in order to be understood mean that God's desire is to communicate understanding to us ? So tell me shroom, and I ask this respectfully.......why wouldn't God just speak to us in a tongue that we can understand in the first place ? The only reason I can see some clinging to this belief is for the sake of "proof or verification" of some sort .....which does nothing but show a faith that might be lacking.
This is pointless, because you are certain in your belief the "gifts" died......
The bible doesn't say. But it does say he spoke in tongues more than all the corinthians.
The language of the men they're talking to.
Do you understand similes and metaphors? But no, I doubt he did. He stood for God and walked in love.
Why yes, zone, he is. Languages of men or angels.
The apostles spoke languages unknown to them. People present at Pentecost understood them. That is not promised when a person speaks in tongues. Read 1 Cor 14. Also, note what they were speaking, "the wonderful works of God". In another place, tongues were "magnifying God", and Paul said you're "giving thanks well". They were not witnessing.
The ones listed in 1 Cor 12:7-10. Tongues are not a gift. They are a manifestation of the gift of holy spirit. If you have acted on Romans 10:9, you have the gift of holy spirit, and the ability to operate the manifestations of that gift. Whether you know it or not..... Most don't. You, for instance.
They are exactly what the bible says they are. Manifestations of the gift of holy spirit. And since God still gives holy spirit to those who act on Romans 10:9, the manifestations are part of the deal.
Not at all. Other men present understanding what is said in a tongue is not guaranteed. It is not the norm. But on that day, it certainly underscored that the apostles had received something. Nobody could deny it. And note that in 1 Cor 14, Paul says that we are NOT to speak in tongues in the church unless it's specifically interpreted. Who interpreted on the day of pentecost, when the gift of holy spirit was first available? Nobody. That people understood was a miracle.
Most people do not know what tongues is, or what it is for. It is not a witnessing tool. The primary use of tongues is for you personally. It builds you up spiritually. It's between you and God, between your holy spirit (the gift that God gave you) and God.
...going to bed early tonight. I'm wiped out. You behave now, heah?
Shroom
The bible doesn't say. But it does say he spoke in tongues more than all the corinthians.
The language of the men they're talking to.
Do you understand similes and metaphors? But no, I doubt he did. He stood for God and walked in love.
Why yes, zone, he is. Languages of men or angels.
The apostles spoke languages unknown to them. People present at Pentecost understood them. That is not promised when a person speaks in tongues. Read 1 Cor 14. Also, note what they were speaking, "the wonderful works of God". In another place, tongues were "magnifying God", and Paul said you're "giving thanks well". They were not witnessing.
The ones listed in 1 Cor 12:7-10. Tongues are not a gift. They are a manifestation of the gift of holy spirit. If you have acted on Romans 10:9, you have the gift of holy spirit, and the ability to operate the manifestations of that gift. Whether you know it or not..... Most don't. You, for instance.
They are exactly what the bible says they are. Manifestations of the gift of holy spirit. And since God still gives holy spirit to those who act on Romans 10:9, the manifestations are part of the deal.
Not at all. Other men present understanding what is said in a tongue is not guaranteed. It is not the norm. But on that day, it certainly underscored that the apostles had received something. Nobody could deny it. And note that in 1 Cor 14, Paul says that we are NOT to speak in tongues in the church unless it's specifically interpreted. Who interpreted on the day of pentecost, when the gift of holy spirit was first available? Nobody. That people understood was a miracle.
Most people do not know what tongues is, or what it is for. It is not a witnessing tool. The primary use of tongues is for you personally. It builds you up spiritually. It's between you and God, between your holy spirit (the gift that God gave you) and God.
...going to bed early tonight. I'm wiped out. You behave now, heah?
Shroom