Praying in Tongues, in the Spirit.

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Ramon

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It is ever important to pray in tongues in the Spirit. I am learning of the importance of it. I know the Lord will perform his word.

I heard a testimony once, of someone who was praying in the Spirit, and a vision opened up before her, and she saw a plane that was circling, and the Lord told her to pray. She prayed for a long time about this plane.

Years later, while she was talking to a friend, she began to tell her friend about this vision she had some years ago. Her friend was shocked, and said, ''I WAS IN THAT PLANE!!''

The plane had malfunctions and they had to keep circling.

When one prays in the Spirit, in tongues, they speak mysteries to God. Sometimes they intercede for people they don't know, or deliver people from traps Satan has set for them. I am sure there have been prayers answered over my life.

Many times I pray, not in the Spirit, and I don't know what I should pray. Sure, I know to pray the Lord do his will and keep me from evil and temptation, that is a given, as I need his help in these things daily. But my prayers are not reserved for me only.

Now I am understanding the importance of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and also the reason tongues are given. In that case I should be in the Spirit all the time.

The Word of God is powerful!!!

It was written that when the Lord sends his word, it does not return until it has accomplished, EVERYTHING he sent it to do. This same word is the sword we use to fight evil in the Spirit. The word of God actually FIGHTS against evil in the spiritual realm.

It is sad that so many people have not made it past the flesh to get this far. I hope the Lord takes me this far SOON!! I am realizing the importance and I need more of him and less of me!!!

I believe it, that whatever we bind on earth will also be bound in heaven. And whatever we loose on earth is loosed in heaven. It is the Word of God that works, so I ought to trust his word.

AMEN!!! WOW!! HALLELUJAH!!

May Jesus bless you.
 
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Amen brother, full steam ahead. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that you affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
 

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There has been times my prayer group has prayed about random things, some times they don't make sense at the time, but later on we will understand why we were moved to pray in that direction. So the next time you wake up in the middle of the night, with some one on your heart you have not thought about for awhile, pray and ask God to be with that person. You might just get your confirmation later on that they did need prayer.

And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints. Eph 6:18 NIV
 
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Thank you shekaniah. Amen!!

May Jesus bless you.
 

shekaniah

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Thank you! And may Jesus bless you too!
 

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Not trying to be rude or inconsiderate here, but where does it say that we should speak in tongues the way they do today that sounds like jibberish? cause the best I can see in the Bible is that this type of thing is not needed.

Blessings
 

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i'm looking into how to pray and speak in tongues too!
i used to believe what i read in Acts that it was gentile languages, but now i think its actually a mysterious thing that no one understands including me, but it means a much more religious life and maybe i can GET INCARNATED by it!

ANYONE RECOMMEND ANY GOOD BOOKS ON HOW TO PRAY AND SPEAK IN TONGUES?

do i just open my mouth and speak syllables?

will God do it for me...like...take over? is that evidence i'm saved?

looking forward to being a christian!

have a great day everyone!
your friend,
zone
 
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i'm looking into how to pray and speak in tongues too!
Well, it's about time, zone!

i used to believe what i read in Acts that it was gentile languages, but now i think its actually a mysterious thing that no one understands including me,
It's not mysterious at all. You speak, the spirit gives the utterance. You do not understand what you are saying. The bible says "no man understandeth". 1 Cor 14:2

but it means a much more religious life
It will build you up spiritually. 1 Cor 14:4, Jude 1:20

and maybe i can GET INCARNATED by it!
I don't know what that means.

ANYONE RECOMMEND ANY GOOD BOOKS ON HOW TO PRAY AND SPEAK IN TONGUES?
Well, there's the bible, 1 Cor 12-14. And here's a website with lots of info:

Truth Or Tradition

do i just open my mouth and speak syllables?
Essentially, yes. You open your mount, you speak, the spirit will give the words. Acts 2:4

will God do it for me
No. You have to do it. 1 Cor 14:5

...like...take over?
No. God will not "take over". You have free will. God will never possess you, "take you over", "use" you in any way that you are not in total control. You do it, you speak, the words will be there.

is that evidence i'm saved?
Yes, it is. If you're not saved, you cannot do it. 1 Cor 12:3 But if you are saved, you can do it, whether you choose to or not. Unfortunately, most do not do it, either because of ignorance or wrong teaching (cessationism).

looking forward to being a christian!
You already are, if you have acted on Romans 10:9.

...you're just ignorant on some things. And extremely headstrong in your insistence on cessationism.

have a great day everyone!
your friend,
zone
You too, zone!

your friend,
shroom.

(I obviously realize your entire post was sarcasm (typical for you), but wanted to answer you as though it wasn't)
 
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Not trying to be rude or inconsiderate here, but where does it say that we should speak in tongues the way they do today that sounds like jibberish? cause the best I can see in the Bible is that this type of thing is not needed.

Blessings


  1. Acts 19:6
    And as Paul laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke in [foreign, unknown] tongues (languages) and prophesied.
    Acts 19:5-7 (in Context) Acts 19 (Whole Chapter)

If it was unknown tongues would sound like gibberish wouldn't it.
 
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i'm looking into how to pray and speak in tongues too!
i used to believe what i read in Acts that it was gentile languages, but now i think its actually a mysterious thing that no one understands including me, but it means a much more religious life and maybe i can GET INCARNATED by it!

ANYONE RECOMMEND ANY GOOD BOOKS ON HOW TO PRAY AND SPEAK IN TONGUES?

do i just open my mouth and speak syllables?

will God do it for me...like...take over? is that evidence i'm saved?

looking forward to being a christian!

have a great day everyone!
your friend,
zone[/quote]

  1. Job 17:2
    Surely there are mockers and mockery around me, and my eye dwells on their obstinacy, insults, and resistance.
    Job 17:1-3 (in Context) Job 17 (Whole Chapter)
  2. Psalm 1:1
    [ BOOK ONE ] BLESSED (HAPPY, fortunate, prosperous, and enviable) is the man who walks and lives not in the counsel of the ungodly [following their advice, their plans and purposes], nor stands [submissive and inactive] in the path where sinners walk, nor sits down [to relax and rest] where the scornful [and the mockers] gather.
    Psalm 1:1-3 (in Context) Psalm 1 (Whole Chapter)
  3. Psalm 35:16
    Like profane mockers at feasts [making sport for the price of a cake] they gnashed at me with their teeth.
    Psalm 35:15-17 (in Context) Psalm 35 (Whole Chapter)
  4. 2 Peter 3:3
    To begin with, you must know and understand this, that scoffers (mockers) will come in the last days with scoffing, [people who] walk after their own fleshly desires
    2 Peter 3:2-4 (in Context) 2 Peter 3 (Whole Chapter)

Have a great day!

 
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It is ever important to pray in tongues in the Spirit. I am learning of the importance of it. I know the Lord will perform his word.

I heard a testimony once, of someone who was praying in the Spirit, and a vision opened up before her, and she saw a plane that was circling, and the Lord told her to pray. She prayed for a long time about this plane.

Years later, while she was talking to a friend, she began to tell her friend about this vision she had some years ago. Her friend was shocked, and said, ''I WAS IN THAT PLANE!!''

The plane had malfunctions and they had to keep circling.

When one prays in the Spirit, in tongues, they speak mysteries to God. Sometimes they intercede for people they don't know, or deliver people from traps Satan has set for them. I am sure there have been prayers answered over my life.

Many times I pray, not in the Spirit, and I don't know what I should pray. Sure, I know to pray the Lord do his will and keep me from evil and temptation, that is a given, as I need his help in these things daily. But my prayers are not reserved for me only.

Now I am understanding the importance of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and also the reason tongues are given. In that case I should be in the Spirit all the time.

The Word of God is powerful!!!

It was written that when the Lord sends his word, it does not return until it has accomplished, EVERYTHING he sent it to do. This same word is the sword we use to fight evil in the Spirit. The word of God actually FIGHTS against evil in the spiritual realm.

It is sad that so many people have not made it past the flesh to get this far. I hope the Lord takes me this far SOON!! I am realizing the importance and I need more of him and less of me!!!

I believe it, that whatever we bind on earth will also be bound in heaven. And whatever we loose on earth is loosed in heaven. It is the Word of God that works, so I ought to trust his word.

AMEN!!! WOW!! HALLELUJAH!!

May Jesus bless you.

Thank you. Yes to pray like God says in his word is very important.
 

superdave5221

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Well, it's about time, zone!

The following was your answer to Zone's question whether speaking in tongues proved that you were a Christian.

Yes, it is. If you're not saved, you cannot do it. 1 Cor 12:3 But if you are saved, you can do it, whether you choose to or not. Unfortunately, most do not do it, either because of ignorance or wrong teaching (cessationism).

Really?

The following is from the website dividedbytruth.org
Passage from Dr. John R. Rice's excellent book, The Charismatic Movement, on pages 136-139:
Some Christians talk in tongues. So do some Mormons, some devil-possessed spiritists, heathen witch doctors in Africa and Asia. Ages ago many heathen religions talked in tongues. It is not of itself necessarily of God.
In his book, New Testament Teaching on Tongues, Dr. Merrill Unger calls attention to this fact, on pages 163-165:
That tongues can be and are counterfeited by demon spirits is evidenced by the fact that spiritistic mediums. Muslim dervishes, and Indian fakirs speak in tongues. It must be remembered by those who try to make tongues a badge of spirituality or a status symbol of saints who have attained the height of spiritual experience, that speaking in tongues and their interpretation are not peculiar to the Christian church but are common in ancient pagan religions and in spiritism both ancient and modern.
The very phrase "to speak with tongues" (Greek glosais lalein, Acts 2:4; 10:46; 19-6; 1st Cor. 12-14; cf. Mark 16:17) was not invented by New Testament writers, but borrowed from the ordinary speech of pagans. Plato's attitude toward the enthusiastic ecstasies of the ancient soothsayer (mantis, diviner,) recalls the Apostle Paul's attitude toward glossolalia among the Corinthian believers.
Virgil graphically describes the ancient pagan prophetess "speaking with tongues." He depicts her disheveled hair, her panting breast, her change of color, and her apparent increase in stature at the god (demon) came upon her and filled her with this supernatural afflatus. Then her voice loses its mortal ring as the god (demon) speaks through her, as in ancient and modern necromancy (spiritism).
Phenomena of this type are common among savages and pagan peoples of lower culture. Ecstatic utterances interpreted by a person in a sane state of mind have been verified, In the Sandwich Islands, for example, the god Oro gave his oracles through a priest who "ceased to act or speak as a voluntary agent, but with his limbs convulsed, his features distorted and terrific, his eyes wild and strained, would roll on the ground foaming at the moth, and reveal the will of the god in shrill cries and sounds violent and indistinct, which the attending priests duly interpreted to the people."
So, intelligent and concerned people will want to find out what is of God and what is of evil spirits.
The matter is so important, let me call to the witness stand again the assistant professor in Grace Theological Seminary, Dr. Charles R. Smith. He says on pages 20-22 of his book, Tongues in Biblical Perspective:
IN NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS.--Tongues occupied a significant place in ancient Greek religion. The seeress at Delphi, not far from Corinth, spoke in tongues. According to Plutarch (A.D. 44-117), interpreters were kept in attendance to explain her incoherent utterances. Many scholars have stated that tongues were experienced in the mystery religions (Osirius, Mithra, Eleusinian, Dionsyian, and Orphic cults). Some have concluded that the unintelligible lists of "words" in the "magical papyri" and in certain Gnostic "prayers" are records of ecstatic utterances. About A.D. 180 Celsus reported ecstatic utterances among the Gnostics. Lucian of Samosata (A.D. 120-198) described tongues speaking as it was practiced by the devotees of the Syrian goddess, Juno.
Today shamans (witch doctors, priests, or medicine men) in Haiti, Greenland, Micronesia, and countries of Africa, Australia, Asia, and North and South America speak in tongues. Several groups use drugs to aid in inducing the ecstatic state and utterances. Voodoo practitioners speak in tongues. Buddhist and Shinto priest have been heard speaking in tongues. Moslems have spoken in tongues, and an ancient tradition even reports that Mohammed himself spoke in tongues. According to his own account, after his ecstatic experiences he found it difficult to return to "logical and intelligible speech" (Kelsey, p. 143).
IN MENTAL ILLNESS.--The fact hat nonreligious tongues speaking often occurs in association with certain mental illnesses is well documented. Psychiatrists have reported it in association with schizophrenia, neurosis, and psychosis. Probably all psychiatrists and psychologists are aware of the possibility of psychic damage resulting from tongues speaking (Kelsey, p.227). It was reported that following the extended tongues meeting held by Aimee Semple McPherson, founder of the Church of the Foursquare Gospel, mental institutions in the area of her meeting were overburdened. The Episcopalian church financed a study commission which concluded that tongues are "not per se a religious phenomenon" and may appear among those "who are suffering from mental disorders as schizophrenia and hysteria" (Jennings, p.11)
IN SPIRITISM.--Tongues speaking occurs among anti-Christian spiritistic mediums. Contrary to popular belief among tongues speakers, a few years ago the European Pentecostal Conference admitted that "tongues might occur apart from the Spirit's action" (Brown, p.151)
IN THE DEMON POSSESSED.--Even Pentecostal authors grant that there are cases where demonic influence is apparently responsible for tongues utterances. Some feel that this is why "the gift of discernment of spirits" is necessary.
Again on page 38 Dr. Smith says:
In extra biblical literature this word was used to describe the "inspired" utterances of diviners. Moulton and Milligan cite three occurrences of the word in Vettius Valens where it designates irrational or unintelligible speech. It is stated that the speakers' minds had "fallen away," they were overcome with "madness," and they spoke in "ecstasy" (p. 72). Apoptheggomai was almost a technical term for describing the speech of the oracle-givers, diviners, prophets, exorcists, ecstatics, and other "inspired" persons (Kittel, I, 447; Arndt and Gingrich, p. 101). The basic idea is "an unusual utterance by virtue of inspiration." Though the word obviously cannot be limited to unintelligible speech, it is certainly appropriate for such. Its usage in Greek literature, in fact, definitely suggests a connection with ecstatic, often unintelligible, utterances.
If a Mormon talks in tongues with his false religion, is that speaking with tongues the Bible gift of tongues? I think not. If an unconverted Catholic who prays to Mary, confesses to a priest, hopes to get out of purgatory if enough people pay for masses and if he hasn't sinned badly, talks in tongues, is that the Bible gift of tongues? I think not.
Evidently Satan can have people talk in tongues also, and we need to carefully consider that when we talk about the gift of tongues.

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Yes, really.

If a Mormon talks in tongues with his false religion, is that speaking with tongues the Bible gift of tongues? I think not. If an unconverted Catholic who prays to Mary, confesses to a priest, hopes to get out of purgatory if enough people pay for masses and if he hasn't sinned badly, talks in tongues, is that the Bible gift of tongues? I think not.
Evidently Satan can have people talk in tongues also, and we need to carefully consider that when we talk about the gift of tongues.
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If you speak in tongues by the freedom of your will, it is not counterfeit.

It is true that demons can possess people and make them speak in a foreign language. But if you, by the freedom of your will, learn what tongues is, ask God, and choose to do it, it will not be counterfeit.

Luke 11:
10) For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11) If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12) Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13) If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
 

superdave5221

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From the above article:

Even Pentecostal authors grant that there are cases where demonic influence is apparently responsible for tongues utterances. Some feel that this is why "the gift of discernment of spirits" is necessary.


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Now if enlightened Pentecostals can admit that it is possible for Satan to deceive us through this practice, then why the insistence in, and emphasis on this practice?

1 John 4: 1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 Corinthians 11: 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

2 Corinthians 4: 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


Why do Pentecostals always stess 1 Cor. 12 and almost never talk about 1 Cor. 13?
 

superdave5221

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Yes, really.


If you speak in tongues by the freedom of your will, it is not counterfeit.

It is true that demons can possess people and make them speak in a foreign language. But if you, by the freedom of your will, learn what tongues is, ask God, and choose to do it, it will not be counterfeit.

Luke 11:
10) For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11) If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12) Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13) If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
But if you are speaking a language, (or gibberish more likely) that no one understands, how can you tell where it originates?

This is not what happened in Acts 2.

All the languages spoken were languages that those present could understand.
 
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From the above article:

Even Pentecostal authors grant that there are cases where demonic influence is apparently responsible for tongues utterances. Some feel that this is why "the gift of discernment of spirits" is necessary.
Now if enlightened Pentecostals can admit that it is possible for Satan to deceive us through this practice, then why the insistence in, and emphasis on this practice?
Those "enlightened pentecostal authors" are wrong.

1 John 4: 1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 Corinthians 11: 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

2 Corinthians 4: 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Yep, those things are true. Many peoples eyes are blinded as to what the manifestations of holy spirit are, and how to operate them. Satan loves it that way, keeps everyone in fear of trying.

Why do Pentecostals always stess 1 Cor. 12 and almost never talk about 1 Cor. 13?
I can't answer for "Pentecostals". 1 Cor 13 is placed like a jewel between chapters 12 and 14. The manifestations are available to be used by the believer, but they are to be done in love.

Why do cessationists always stress chapter 13, but completely ignore chapters 12 and 14?
 
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But if you are speaking a language, (or gibberish more likely) that no one understands, how can you tell where it originates?

This is not what happened in Acts 2.

All the languages spoken were languages that those present could understand.
In Acts 2, yes. Other people present did understand what the apostles were saying. That is not guaranteed, and it did not happen in other places in Acts where tongues is mentioned. Also, Paul, in 1 Cor 14, says that in the church, unless tongues is interpreted, it is useless to everyone except the person speaking.

1 Cor 14
4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6) Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
 

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But if you are speaking a language, (or gibberish more likely) that no one understands, how can you tell where it originates?

This is not what happened in Acts 2.

All the languages spoken were languages that those present could understand.
Some additions to the above:


Ephesians 6: 11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

Why is it that the prophets in here are always the ones who diminish the importance of the bible, and bible study? That is not what Paul says.

1 Peter 5: 8 Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

Are the people that you see in most Pentecostal churches self controlled and alert?
 
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Some additions to the above:

Isaiah 8: 19 When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.

Ephesians 6: 11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

Why is it that the prophets in here are always the ones who diminish the importance of the bible, and bible study? That is not what Paul says.
I don't know. Ask them. I'm not a prophet.

I agree with you. The bible is the only source of doctrine and faith. It is the Word of God. EVERYTHING must be judged according to God's Word.

1 Peter 5: 8 Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

Are the people that you see in most Pentecostal churches self controlled and alert?
I don't know. I've never been to a pentecostal church. But judging from some of the videos on youtube, no. They are not in control. God will NOT make people behave like that. There are many people who have been taught wrongly.
 

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I don't know. Ask them. I'm not a prophet.

I agree with you. The bible is the only source of doctrine and faith. It is the Word of God. EVERYTHING must be judged according to God's Word.

I don't know. I've never been to a pentecostal church. But judging from some of the videos on youtube, no. They are not in control. God will NOT make people behave like that. There are many people who have been taught wrongly.
You agree then that many Pentecostals are in error? That is a beginning.

Thank you for your comments.