To What Extent Are Singles and Marries Allowed to Socialize Together Online? (All Input Welcome/Needed for Future Threads.)

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seoulsearch

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Hey Everyone,

Just a warning that this is going to be an especially long post.

Long ago, a church mentor I very much respected told me I should start a Singles group, and her words have been with me ever since. One of my callings seems to be to introduce people and bring them together. Now, not to scare anyone :D, but I'll sometimes observe people here and think, "Wow, I bet they could be great friends, maybe even more..." And I can admit to even writing a few threads specifically hoping certain people will get get to know each other through them.

I have no interest in starting a real-life singles group, nor even one online. I tried leading an online group chat once, and even though they were all Christians, human nature sets in, and boy is it ugly. Just a few examples... Billy and Bonnie are a couple until Bonnie breaks up with Billy, and suddenly Billy is messaging me if I know whether or not Bonnie is seeing someone else in the group. Billy starts messaging me obsessively, insisting I must know something since I'm the leader of the group, and is now fishing other members for information.

Sarah and Susan both have a crush on Sammy, and suddenly competitive sparks start to fly, with each woman trying to show off more and more why Sammy should choose her (after all, God has told each of them -- as they have each claimed separately -- that Sammy is to be THEIRS!) And so the chat turns into a warzone of competition over someone who is seen as The Prize.

Candace, another member in the group, claims I'm favoring so-and-so and therefore, not acting as a proper Christian leader -- then proceeds to lambast me publicly for in front of everyone. It comes out later that Candace has a drinking problem, and has been known in other circles for such outbursts, and while I tried not to take it too personally, I still had to do something about it within our group.

All of these things are just a tip of the iceberg as to what I personally saw and had to navigate just while running a small (20-30 people) online singles group. And when people get married, are they allowed to stay, or do they have to go since they are no longer single?

Being divorced myself (husband married someone else,) I have had people over the years tell me I don't belong here in Singles and am being deceptive. And just when I think I've heard it all in the Singles community, there's always another challenge.

But when God puts something in us, it's hard to shut it off. Writing threads to try to help entertain/unify/help people get to know each other is my current way of meeting part of that calling. My time here is very sporadic, depending on life events, God's direction, and my own energy levels. For a while, God was telling me to concentrate more on individuals, but lately I've been wanting to create more open threads to get people talking to each other and give those who are lonely a place to go.

I constantly experiment with my thread styles and ideas. Over the years, I've tried tons of different angles trying to see what works best and how far the limitations of a forum can be stretched in bringing people together. I've been putting some threads in Miscellaneous so we can meet new friends who don't come to Singles or wouldn't feel comfortable here. But something I've been praying about a lot is, how responsible are we for helping people guard their hearts and what actions are we required to take to ensure this?

Years ago here on the forum, we had a Singles live chat room. One night while I was there, a moderator came in and made us all confirm in voice or through type that we were all single. She said they'd been having problems with married people claiming to be single in order to prowl, and/or singles becoming too attached to marrieds, and real-life marriages had been broken up because of it.

This is often in the back of my mind when I write threads. In the 15 years I've been on this forum, I think I've only put 2 people on Ignore, and one was a married man who had expressed interest in me in some of his posts and was pursuing some kind of positive response.

A long time ago, I wrote a thread called, "The Singles Forum Goes to the Movies," and it had a huge response. Tons of people responded, often with laugh-out-loud comments, and it really felt as if we were all hanging out together, just having fun.

If I have the time and energy in the future, I'd really like to start something like that up again. It can be adapted to a ton of different scenarios and events (or at least until I burn out, which is why I come and go.) But I always like inviting our married friends to join in. There are some regular marrieds here whose company we all enjoy, and members like @tourist will always be seen as a lifetime friend, because he became a regular here while he was still single. And sometimes, half the responses we get are from our married friends, so without them, the threads would sit mostly empty.

I do realize it's important for everyone involved to also stay within boundaries and act appropriately to all of our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I am most certainly NOT trying to somehow say that anyone here is guilty of anything in any way -- I'm just saying, I feel like God is reminding me that as a facilitator, these are things I have to be aware of, and He might even hold me responsible to some degree.

I might still write frilly little throwaway threads here or in Miscellaneous, but I'm thinking my "Social Outings" threads might stay here in Singles -- even though we would invite our married friends to come along.

But I do think that keeping them within the "bounds" of the Singles section itself is a reminder to all of us who participate that we have to be mindful -- and respectful -- of each person's status (even if they're not married, they still might have someone, etc.)

What do you all think? Any thoughts about how we can help people meet friends, ease loneliness, have some online laughs -- while still staying within all necessary boundaries?

I'd like to hear from both the marrieds and the singles, because it will greatly affect how I choose to move forward (or pull back) on this forum.
 

Lynx

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Only thought I have is: If people avoid private chat for flirting and keep everything out here on the open forum, the temptation to act a fool goes waaaaaay down.
 

RodB651

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I'd like to hear from both the marrieds and the singles, because it will greatly affect how I choose to move forward (or pull back) on this forum.
Let's get some snacks and coffee ready!
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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I'm at a loss to understand why that's being deceptive. You're currently single...
It's because of the teaching that anyone who married a divorced woman commits adultery.

But my then-husband left for his then-girlfriend.

It doesn't matter to some. They still accuse me of being a divorced woman trying to lure some poor innocent Christian man into adulterizing.
 

RodB651

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It doesn't matter to some. They still accuse me of being a divorced woman trying to lure some poor innocent Christian man into adulterizing.
But when it happens to THEM, its a different story!
 

Lynx

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But when it happens to THEM, its a different story!
Yes, well... There are extenuating circumstances when it happens to them. Not the same at all. You wouldn't understand. >.>
 
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jennymae

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It's because of the teaching that anyone who married a divorced woman commits adultery.

But my then-husband left for his then-girlfriend.

It doesn't matter to some. They still accuse me of being a divorced woman trying to lure some poor innocent Christian man into adulterizing.
Funny thing, that. A poor, innocent person is lured into adulteration? I grew up in a place where we were Baptists, and for sure, wedlock was a sacred thing. Still adultery was the #1 issue of the congregation, even though only 50 % of the adulterers were guilty of it.😁
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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I'm at a loss to understand why that's being deceptive. You're currently single...
It's because of the teaching that anyone who married a divorced woman commits adultery.

But my then-husband left for his then-girlfriend.

It doesn't matter to some. They still accuse me of being a divorced woman trying to lure some poor innocent Christian man into adulterizing.
But when it happens to THEM, its a different story!
Yes, well... There are extenuating circumstances when it happens to them. Not the same at all. You wouldn't understand. >.>
Funny thing, that. A poor, innocent person is lured into adulteration? I grew up in a place where we were Baptists, and for sure, wedlock was a sacred thing. Still adultery was the #1 issue of the congregation, even though only 50 % of the adulterers were guilty of it.😁
This is part of why I value this forum so much. It's a relief, sometimes to a life-saving degree, to be around people who truly understand (rather than trying to throw stones.)

Time is an interesting thing. I was young when it all happened, and now that literal decades have passed, some of the people who patted me on the head and told me I was just a baby with plenty of time are now widow/ed or divorced themselves.

I always say that any married person has a 50/50% chance of being single someday, though I understand most don't want to think about it, or don't believe they will be the one to be left behind. After all, even if they are blessed enough to avoid divorce, God rarely takes couples at the same time.

It's been heartbreaking in some cases because I'm hearing about some of them finding that the lifelong married friends in their church are no longer willing too associate with them because of being single (particularly, the wives are afraid of someone stealing their husbands.) Women whose husbands earned all the money and took care of all the bills are now left destitute.

Now, some were very kind to me and I pray God will help them find a new community (I live across the country now or I would try to befriend them myself.)

But it's a good thing I'm no longer in that area.

I've never been "good" or "quiet", and I wouldn't be able to resist asking the ones who looked down on me if others are now being just as condescending towards them as they were to me, and how are they liking being showered with all that "good Christian love"?
 

NightTwister

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It's because of the teaching that anyone who married a divorced woman commits adultery.

But my then-husband left for his then-girlfriend.

It doesn't matter to some. They still accuse me of being a divorced woman trying to lure some poor innocent Christian man into adulterizing.
Unfortunately to too many "Christians", divorce is the unforgivable sin (it's not). If it actually is, there's no hope for me.
 

NightTwister

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This is part of why I value this forum so much. It's a relief, sometimes to a life-saving degree, to be around people who truly understand (rather than trying to throw stones.)

Time is an interesting thing. I was young when it all happened, and now that literal decades have passed, some of the people who patted me on the head and told me I was just a baby with plenty of time are now widow/ed or divorced themselves.

I always say that any married person has a 50/50% chance of being single someday, though I understand most don't want to think about it, or don't believe they will be the one to be left behind. After all, even if they are blessed enough to avoid divorce, God rarely takes couples at the same time.

It's been heartbreaking in some cases because I'm hearing about some of them finding that the lifelong married friends in their church are no longer willing too associate with them because of being single (particularly, the wives are afraid of someone stealing their husbands.) Women whose husbands earned all the money and took care of all the bills are now left destitute.

Now, some were very kind to me and I pray God will help them find a new community (I live across the country now or I would try to befriend them myself.)

But it's a good thing I'm no longer in that area.

I've never been "good" or "quiet", and I wouldn't be able to resist asking the ones who looked down on me if others are now being just as condescending towards them as they were to me, and how are they liking being showered with all that "good Christian love"?
Don't let them steal your joy. I heard the same thing after my first wife left me for another man. Oh, she also left our 15-month daughter home alone when she left.
 

cinder

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Rarely do we see boundaries crossed in public threads. And the few times I can remember it happening, the community was fairly quick to call it out and report the offender (or send cinder in to whack them up one side of the head with bible verses and down the other with brutally honest analysis and sarcastic mockery, newcomers you have been warned) And this is the internet so we don't have a lot of ability to tell if anyone is telling the truth when they type in the forums. Which means that any rule we make up to try to identify the married people among us, won't be followed by any married people who are here to pick out their next spouse.

So other than the common sense things like don't have long pm's with married people of the opposite sex because you can just find yourself in a mess without meaning to do anything wrong, I don't think there's much to really say. Though that could be a good thread topic in itself of keeping from getting carried away in a new relationship and / or how to recognize when someone is trying to cross boundaries that shouldn't be crossed and shutting them down and / or common sense tips for navigating online interactions with people of the opposite sex.

It's the job of each of us individually to behave ourselves and make the singles forum a good place to get some of our social needs met; it is not @seoulsearch 's job to make sure no one misbehaves in singles and causes trouble.
 

MsMediator

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I think it is fine for singles and married to socialize online, however there should be caution and boundaries set on singles and marrieds (opposite sex) complimenting each other or making personal comments. One example would be flirting, even mild flirting. However, topics like discussing the Bible, movies, food, etc. should be fine. I think it is fine if the married comment on the Singles forum, or vice versa. The closest forum we have for married is probably the Family forum. I guess the same concept applies in person.

I have never managed a singles group, but I imagine it is a lot of work. I have taken the lead on four/five church friends in the past (in person) and it can be difficult to coordinate.

Even though it would be nice and this site does ease some boredom/loneliness issues, I do not have expectations for friendships since it is an online forum. In fact, I am cautious. I am mostly using this site for seeking/providing advice or light-hearted thought-provoking banter to relax.
 

Lynx

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I have no interest in starting a real-life singles group, nor even one online. I tried leading an online group chat once, and even though they were all Christians, human nature sets in, and boy is it ugly. Just a few examples... Billy and Bonnie are a couple until Bonnie breaks up with Billy, and suddenly Billy is messaging me if I know whether or not Bonnie is seeing someone else in the group. Billy starts messaging me obsessively, insisting I must know something since I'm the leader of the group, and is now fishing other members for information.

Sarah and Susan both have a crush on Sammy, and suddenly competitive sparks start to fly, with each woman trying to show off more and more why Sammy should choose her (after all, God has told each of them -- as they have each claimed separately -- that Sammy is to be THEIRS!) And so the chat turns into a warzone of competition over someone who is seen as The Prize.

Candace, another member in the group, claims I'm favoring so-and-so and therefore, not acting as a proper Christian leader -- then proceeds to lambast me publicly for in front of everyone. It comes out later that Candace has a drinking problem, and has been known in other circles for such outbursts, and while I tried not to take it too personally, I still had to do something about it within our group.
By the way I was there and I can testify. The names were changed to protect the innocent (and the guilty) but all these things did happen in one little skype chat. It was quite the show.

It was also an ongoing demonstration of why I never, ever, EVER want to be a moderator ever again. Never. Nope. Forget it!
 

notmyown

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To What Extent Are Singles and Marries Allowed to Socialize Together Online?

i'd say to the extent everyone is comfortable with it. i rarely post in this forum, because i figure my singles family doesn't need an elderly, married harridan, er i mean woman! interrupting what y'all are talking about.

if i, as a married woman, make anyone uncomfortable by posting here, i'm contravening about a dozen New Testament commands, and that's just off the top of my head. (Phil 2:3; 1 Pet 3:8; Rom 12:10; Col 3:12)

in other words, i'm not showing love for my singles family. that would make me so sad, because i really do love you.
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Let's get some snacks and coffee ready!

I love this!

Rodney is obviously on The Hospitality Team, readying the Singles forum to welcome new friends! :D

(Either that... or he really, REALLY wants snacks and coffee.) :cool:

I'm going to go with the "safe" answer and say it's probably both! :p
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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It was also an ongoing demonstration of why I never, ever, EVER want to be a moderator ever again. Never. Nope. Forget it!
If you ever want to hear the strictest and most emphatic "NO!!!" you've ever heard in your life, just ask Lynx to be a chat moderator. :ROFL:
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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i'd say to the extent everyone is comfortable with it. i rarely post in this forum, because i figure my singles family doesn't need an elderly, married harridan, er i mean woman! interrupting what y'all are talking about.

if i, as a married woman, make anyone uncomfortable by posting here, i'm contravening about a dozen New Testament commands, and that's just off the top of my head. (Phil 2:3; 1 Pet 3:8; Rom 12:10; Col 3:12)

in other words, i'm not showing love for my singles family. that would make me so sad, because i really do love you.
Your wisdom and life experience is exactly why we need you here, if you feel comfortable with it.

I've said this for years, but one of my favorite threads ever in this forum was when a sweet married lady wrote about what her Valentine's Day was, and she talked about how it was just a typical day, caring for her kids, and seeing her husband at the of another hectic day.

She said that she wanted to tell us singles what married life was like, and that there were no special gifts or grand celebrations on her Valentine's Day, just gratitude towards God for another day with her family.

I loved this and wish married people would remind us more of both the good, bad, and everyday challenges of married life.

Too often, I think we singles get caught up in a fantasy (I know I have) and we really need our experienced, wiser Christian friends to talk us back down to reality.

We LOVE seeing you here, @notmyown, because you listen without judging and always provide Christ-centered encouragement and insight. Your real-life resume gives you the background to know and how to approach the current single crowd here, which is often "older" too, and beaten down by life and loneliness.

If you would prayerfully consider it, and feel God is giving you the ok, please consider spending as much time with us as the Holy Spirit allows you. We need people like you to set us straight! :love: