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“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
Galatians 1:6-9
“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:16
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20
“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
Acts 28:23-24, 30-31
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:”
Romans 1:1-5
theres only one gospel Paul was one of Jesus chosen messengers to spread it to all people
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
there’s no other gospel but the one God sent to people for thier salvation
paul is a servant and messenger of Jesus a chosen apostle like Peter or John if he would have preached a different gospel he would have made himself a false teacher and cursed himself
Galatians 1:6-9
“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:16
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20
“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
Acts 28:23-24, 30-31
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:”
Romans 1:1-5
theres only one gospel Paul was one of Jesus chosen messengers to spread it to all people
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
there’s no other gospel but the one God sent to people for thier salvation
paul is a servant and messenger of Jesus a chosen apostle like Peter or John if he would have preached a different gospel he would have made himself a false teacher and cursed himself
Gods grace teaches us to repent and live upright lives and do good works while we wait for the lords return
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”
Titus 2:11-14 KJV
as Christian’s rail against doing good works God is trying to teach us to love and do good works while we wait for his return
As we tell everyone “ don’t think you need to do good works “ the gospel is teaching us to be careful to maintain good works nice we believe
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
Titus 3:8 KJV
as we teach people about faith versus works the Bible is teaching us faith that does good works
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
James 2:17-19, 26 KJV
what if Noah had been told about the flood and how to build the ark then he told God “ I’m not going to do what you said because I have faith I don’t need to do what you said to be saved ?” Noah would have perished but nstead Noah believed what God told him and obeyed and was saved by faith
“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
Hebrews 11:7 KJV
If Noah hadnt did what God told him would save him he wouldn’t have been saved by faith Christian’s should start thinking about obeying the lord and doing those thing Jesus promised wouod give life . That’s what faith actually is to hear him believe him and act upon that belief
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”
Titus 2:11-14 KJV
as Christian’s rail against doing good works God is trying to teach us to love and do good works while we wait for his return
As we tell everyone “ don’t think you need to do good works “ the gospel is teaching us to be careful to maintain good works nice we believe
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
Titus 3:8 KJV
as we teach people about faith versus works the Bible is teaching us faith that does good works
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
James 2:17-19, 26 KJV
what if Noah had been told about the flood and how to build the ark then he told God “ I’m not going to do what you said because I have faith I don’t need to do what you said to be saved ?” Noah would have perished but nstead Noah believed what God told him and obeyed and was saved by faith
“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
Hebrews 11:7 KJV
If Noah hadnt did what God told him would save him he wouldn’t have been saved by faith Christian’s should start thinking about obeying the lord and doing those thing Jesus promised wouod give life . That’s what faith actually is to hear him believe him and act upon that belief
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You have your opinion, I have mine. I researched the differences carefully, there are differences in the messages, since Paul is difficult to understand, it is why I follow Christ, Am I wrong for doing so, certainly not. We all have free will. if you take the time to write down Jesus message and Paul's you will see the differences, the gospels are not the same, the differences are important.
Remember Paul in many places in his epistles refers as the gospel of Christ as MY GOSPEL, even had the audacity to claim Jesus was raised from the dead by HIS Gospel. also that we would be judged by HIS Gospel. It is GOD who does these things NOT PAUL. for the judgment it will be Jesus who will judge us NOT Ppaul, do you start to see now? Please do not try to make excuses or apologies to explain the verses below, they mean what they mean.
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
Also do not forget jesus words that say the master is greater than the servant;
Jhn 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Jhn 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Jhn 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Jhn 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Jhn 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
Jhn 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
Remember Paul in many places in his epistles refers as the gospel of Christ as MY GOSPEL, even had the audacity to claim Jesus was raised from the dead by HIS Gospel. also that we would be judged by HIS Gospel. It is GOD who does these things NOT PAUL. for the judgment it will be Jesus who will judge us NOT Ppaul, do you start to see now? Please do not try to make excuses or apologies to explain the verses below, they mean what they mean.
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
Also do not forget jesus words that say the master is greater than the servant;
Jhn 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Jhn 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Jhn 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Jhn 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Jhn 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
Jhn 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
Do you disregard Peter’s words about Paul’s writings?
2 Peter 3:15Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. 16He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Peter 3:15Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. 16He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
It's not written in our DNA because we are born amoral and must learn right and wrong. But the Lord has never left us to our own devices and has constantly ministered to this fallen world and what we have by nature is a conscience and the capacity to learn, reason and think outside of ourselves which enables us to comprehend the things of life at a much deeper level than any animal could.
I would go further and say God needs to convince us we are sinners. I know many who recognise they have sinned but justify it by saying everyone sins. Knowing one is a sinner and condemned to death sheds a different light on the matter, then the Gospel has real meaning when presented.
I would go further and say God needs to convince us we are sinners. I know many who recognise they have sinned but justify it by saying everyone sins. Knowing one is a sinner and condemned to death sheds a different light on the matter, then the Gospel has real meaning when presented.
with the wisdom God gave him could also mean little wisdom, some wisdom, no wisdom, it is not specified, read esebius, Boulanger and others and then we could perhaps discuss.
as for wisdom, this is Paul's and assuredly false;
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
i am just trying to say take Paul's words as a servant's words, his words are not equal to Jesus words. Paul's words must be in accord with Jesus if not, must be rejected. Jesus is the only way to the truth and life.
also remember a warning from Jesus;
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe itnot.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
We are thus warned to be careful and use discernment, we have no excuse not to believe every word that Jesus said.
I do not want to cause discord here so I will no longer discuss Paul. @Pilgrimshope
as for wisdom, this is Paul's and assuredly false;
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
i am just trying to say take Paul's words as a servant's words, his words are not equal to Jesus words. Paul's words must be in accord with Jesus if not, must be rejected. Jesus is the only way to the truth and life.
also remember a warning from Jesus;
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe itnot.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
We are thus warned to be careful and use discernment, we have no excuse not to believe every word that Jesus said.
I do not want to cause discord here so I will no longer discuss Paul. @Pilgrimshope
I am sorry you feel that Paul is someone you can’t trust. I have met others with views similar to yours about Paul. Their lives didn’t end well. I am an old guy who spent years digging into the Scriptures, and I see no difference in what Paul preaches, only his audience and his idiocentric, at times, presentation.
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As a once backsliden Christian i can say with a certainty you can lose your salvation but i can also say Gods love mercy and grace abound and why take for granted the completed work of Christ and walk the luke warm life to simply teeter in and out of the blessings of God and possibly face him and be sent to eternal damnation.
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Our soul was made in God's image our flesh (DNA) we got from our defective parents. 
So Adam and eve had defective flesh also?
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Amazing grace, as I read this, I heard God say, once you or anyone believes me, I, God Baptize these in Me as John sad, he only Baptized with water, yet God with Holy Fire in Spirit and Truth, as I see you have been given this too. Thank you, for all the scriptures as proof to me, God is real as the air I breath
As Jesus breathed on them
As Jesus breathed on them
Did you by chance, think I was saying differently? You know that is what the legalists, thought about Paul, that he was preaching to go ahead and sin all the more and he was not, he was straightening out the confusion, between Law and grace, under Law or uphold Law, Law of liberty, or Law in commandments, that no one can do perfect, is misunderstood , as God's Love is perfect over it all, when anyone being too literal ends up misusing it. Just in case you are in thought of me as not in with Father and Son too
I get that thought from you form your posts, sometimes and it might be nothing more than evil Spirits, trying to distract us both from truth of the Love and mercy of God. I will stand in trust for God to get us all through it all, thank you, I needed to straighten this out, just in case
I get that thought from you form your posts, sometimes and it might be nothing more than evil Spirits, trying to distract us both from truth of the Love and mercy of God. I will stand in trust for God to get us all through it all, thank you, I needed to straighten this out, just in case
