Deep Conversation for Greater Connection

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SteveEpperson

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Now that you've taken a risk and said hello (and she's said hi back), you have the daunting task of keeping the conversation going. You do this with a technique known as "deepening."


But before I delve into this vital communication skill, I want to touch briefly on situational flirting. It's typically what you would start with, in many cases.


For example, suppose you meet a woman at a bookstore and you say hello. Right out of the gate, you normally use situational flirting to keep her attention. This method takes something in the environment and exaggerates it, as in the "blue horse" scenario I outlined in my first post on flirting.


For example, you're in a bookstore and a young lady in her twenties is browsing a book on stock market investing. You could say something like, "Wow, you're into stock investing, that's great. When you hit your first billion in dividends, will you give me a ride on your yacht?"


If she plays along and says, "Sure," that's wonderful. It means you have a make-believe world reserved for just the two of you. You would certainly want to follow up from here, but you at least have something familiar to talk about later.



So, when you run into her again, you perhaps could say something like, "Hi, Debra. Have you got your yacht parked out back yet? I've got my rubber-ducky-life-raft in my car, all blown up and ready to go!"


However, this type of flirting interaction is reserved for only the most open-minded, confident men who are secure in their ability to talk to any woman at any time. For this reason, I've decided to skip right into deepening conversations and come back to situational flirting later.


Deepening means peeling back the layers


The best way to start a deepening conversation is with her job. In the above scenario with Debra, you could ask her if she's a stock broker. She might say something like, "No, but I'm really into online trading and would like to get better at it."


Now, you have vital information to build on. For example, you could say, "That's interesting. What is it about online trading that excites you?"


Here, you're peeling back another layer while getting deeper into what she finds attractive in her life.


She might respond with, "My ultimate goal is to quit my job and travel the world. But I know that's going to take time, and I'm not sure if I can do it."


Don't let her get negative on you


It's natural sometimes for a woman to go down a negative, self-defeating path during a conversation. Your job is to redirect her to a more positive outlook during your limited time together.


Like it or not, whatever feelings she has while talking to you–good or bad–will be how she thinks of you going forward. For this reason, she needs to have positive feelings while interacting with you.


For example, if she goes down a rabbit hole of how her past business ventures have failed, you could say something like, "Okay, I get that it's difficult, but what if you succeed as an investor? What then? What would you do with all that money? You already told me your dream of traveling the world."


It's time to peel back another layer


When she tells you that she wants to be a great investor because she would like enough money to travel the world, what she's revealing is her true passion. When you discover a woman's true passion, you have a real gem of information.


You now have the key to what motivates her. In this case, it's not investing in the stock market, it's having the opportunity to travel the world.


Peeling back yet another layer


It's time to ditch all talk of the stock market and ask her about her favorite travel destinations. Where has she been so far? Where would she like to go in the future?


These and other questions tie in beautifully during romantic talk, which I'll cover in the next post.



An example of a deepening conversation between Darrell and Janice


After each says hello to the other and introductions are made, Darrel starts by asking Janice what she does for a living. Really, it's best to ask her how her day is going before jumping right into information about her job – but you get the idea. Each situation is going to be different for every encounter.


"I'm a veterinarian," she says.


"Oh, that's wonderful," replies Darrell. "That must be a rewarding career."


"It is. I've been an animal lover since I was a little girl, and now I work with all types of animals."


"Do you have a specialty?"


"I would love to work with horses more, but I'm a bit tied down since I'm a partner in a clinic in the city. But one day, I would love to work within the rural equestrian field."


"I used to ride horses quite often. Are you opposed to that?"


"No, not at all. In fact, in college, I took first place in team equestrian championships."


"That's quite an accomplishment. It's not every day I meet a beautiful woman who has achieved so much in her life. You must really love the thrill of helping one of these amazing animals get back to health."


"Yeah, a while back I had to travel to a horse breeder who had several sick horses. The owner was frantic, but everything turned out okay."


"What was it like to have helped all those horses regain their health?"


Okay, let's stop for a second. Do you see what's happening here? While it's wonderful that she enjoys her job as a veterinarian, her true passion is horses, so that's what Darrell stays with during the conversation.


So, continuing with the story, she answers Darrell by telling him how her heart was overjoyed at the sight of a young horse being able to walk again. "It's an indescribable feeling," she says.


"I bet," Darrell says. "It's as if an overabundance of joy hits your heart all at once and lingers for weeks on end."


"Exactly."


So, what Darrell has done here is:


1. Found out what this beautiful woman is passionate about


2. Found out a bit about her life and what she does


3. Made a connection with her in a short amount of time


4. Brought out feelings of joy that she can now associate with him


Of course, the conversation can go much deeper than this, usually reserved for a first date. It's also a great way to tie in romantic conversation, which I'll share in the next post. :)
 

Lynx

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#2
So... How has this worked out for you? Found the girl of your dreams yet?

Can't wait for that promised next post.
 

Cold

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So... How has this worked out for you? Found the girl of your dreams yet?

Can't wait for that promised next post.
It's not the destination that matters, but the journey. Or something like that.
 

seoulsearch

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#4
When she tells you that she wants to be a great investor because she would like enough money to travel the world, what she's revealing is her true passion. When you discover a woman's true passion, you have a real gem of information.
The example of noticing a woman paging through a book on investing really made me smile. It's a refreshingly unique scenario (not many would associate women with the stock market,) and this was really useful information on how to get a meaningful conversation going.

I had to chuckle though about getting to the part where she says she's investing in order to travel. Traveling is indeed awesome and I wish I got to do more of it, but I've had hundreds of conversations with people about travel.

Rather, I would admittedly be the boring, nerdy girl who would start going on about investing rather than travel (right now I'm in several Discord chats trying to learn more about options trading,) and I'm sure the poor man would soon slink away in the most tear-inducing, overwhelming haze of boredom that he's ever experienced in his life! :ROFL:

But hey... A girl can dream, can't she?

Talking to a guy about travel would be wonderful -- but talking to a guy about travel AS WELL as investing and options (and someone who could teach me more without mansplaining)?

Now THAT would be heaven. :cool:
 

cinder

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The example of noticing a woman paging through a book on investing really made me smile. It's a refreshingly unique scenario (not many would associate women with the stock market,) and this was really useful information on how to get a meaningful conversation going.

I had to chuckle though about getting to the part where she says she's investing in order to travel. Traveling is indeed awesome and I wish I got to do more of it, but I've had hundreds of conversations with people about travel.

Rather, I would admittedly be the boring, nerdy girl who would start going on about investing rather than travel (right now I'm in several Discord chats trying to learn more about options trading,) and I'm sure the poor man would soon slink away in the most tear-inducing, overwhelming haze of boredom that he's ever experienced in his life! :ROFL:

But hey... A girl can dream, can't she?

Talking to a guy about travel would be wonderful -- but talking to a guy about travel AS WELL as investing and options (and someone who could teach me more without mansplaining)?

Now THAT would be heaven. :cool:
Talking to a guy about options, does that have anything to do with those other discussions about chatting up and / or dating multiple people at once? Now that's a romantic date: yeah I'm out with you tonight but I reserve the option to go out with Jim or Kyle tomorrow night, so bring your A game because you've got some stiff competition.
 
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The example of noticing a woman paging through a book on investing really made me smile. It's a refreshingly unique scenario (not many would associate women with the stock market,) and this was really useful information on how to get a meaningful conversation going.

I had to chuckle though about getting to the part where she says she's investing in order to travel. Traveling is indeed awesome and I wish I got to do more of it, but I've had hundreds of conversations with people about travel.

Rather, I would admittedly be the boring, nerdy girl who would start going on about investing rather than travel (right now I'm in several Discord chats trying to learn more about options trading,) and I'm sure the poor man would soon slink away in the most tear-inducing, overwhelming haze of boredom that he's ever experienced in his life! :ROFL:

But hey... A girl can dream, can't she?

Talking to a guy about travel would be wonderful -- but talking to a guy about travel AS WELL as investing and options (and someone who could teach me more without mansplaining)?

Now THAT would be heaven. :cool:
I once wanted to get into options, but too risky for my tastes. The only options I care about now are curly or regular fries and burgers, tacos or chinese.
 

Cold

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I once wanted to get into options, but too risky for my tastes. The only options I care about now are curly or regular fries and burgers, tacos or chinese.
Those are some difficult choices right there.
 

seoulsearch

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I once wanted to get into options, but too risky for my tastes. The only options I care about now are curly or regular fries and burgers, tacos or chinese.
Those are some good options. :D

Yeah, you see videos all over social media beckoning wayward souls with titles like "Grow Your Small Account!" and "100X Your Money!" -- and it's usually with options. But I completely agree with you that they are taking insane amounts of risk.

Right now I just basically sell covered calls, and you probably already know this Zero :), but if you sell them at a strike that's higher than what you paid, you won't lose money.

However, if the stock price falls like a rock below what you paid...

Then yeah, there aren't going to be any easy choices.

I've tried watching videos with mind-bending strategies that have so many moving parts, they're literally given names like "Christmas Trees" -- because it has multiple trades going on at once, like a tree with multiple branches.

For now, all MY little pea brain can handle is one leg at a time (two at the very most, if I have to roll something.)

Always good to talk to another investing enthusiast! :)
 

SteveEpperson

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I once wanted to get into options, but too risky for my tastes. The only options I care about now are curly or regular fries and burgers, tacos or chinese.
So, are you choosing to derail the post because you are too weak to talk to someone of the opposite sex?

Changing the subject is also weak in the eyes of a woman. It shows her that you don't care what she has to say. For that reason, she'll drop you like a hot potato, dispatching you in short order to your favorite porn sites for the rest of your life.
 

seoulsearch

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So, are you choosing to derail the post because you are too weak to talk to someone of the opposite sex? Changing the subject is also weak in the eyes of a woman. It shows her that you don't care what she has to say. For that reason, she'll drop you like a hot potato, dispatching you in short order to your favorite porn sites for the rest of your life.
LOL.

There's actually been a very lively discussion going Steve, with several people involved -- you're just completely unaware of it because you apparently have everyone who's been answering on Ignore -- except for poor Zero.

Since you've mentioned being a professional write, do you ALWAYS insult your audiences like this? And why do you associate manhood with racking up women's phone numbers? Why do you insult any man whom you perceive as not being able to do this up to what you see as your level of superiority?

Once again, I understand that Ignoring everyone is your prerogative, but you're making replies without having any sort of context as to what the person is talking about. And once again, Zero was answering talking to me, not you.

Zero, don't you listen to this garbage.

We've all known you for years and we know you're a great guy whom any of us can vouch for. :giggle:
 

Lynx

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Aug 13, 2014
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So, are you choosing to derail the post because you are too weak to talk to someone of the opposite sex?

Changing the subject is also weak in the eyes of a woman. It shows her that you don't care what she has to say. For that reason, she'll drop you like a hot potato, dispatching you in short order to your favorite porn sites for the rest of your life.
Oooooooh... You have no idea at all who you're dealing with!

*Lynx pops some popcorn and settles down with glee to watch the show.
 

stingray72

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formulas are just that formulas...id rather let the conversation take its natural course and be patient while doing it. (I mean no disrespect so hopefully none is taken)
 

seoulsearch

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I once wanted to get into options, but too risky for my tastes. The only options I care about now are curly or regular fries and burgers, tacos or chinese.
So, are you choosing to derail the post because you are too weak to talk to someone of the opposite sex? Changing the subject is also weak in the eyes of a woman. It shows her that you don't care what she has to say. For that reason, she'll drop you like a hot potato, dispatching you in short order to your favorite porn sites for the rest of your life.
LOL.

There's actually been a very lively discussion going Steve, with several people involved -- you're just completely unaware of it because you apparently have everyone who's been answering on Ignore -- except for poor Zero.

Since you've mentioned being a professional write, do you ALWAYS insult your audiences like this? And why do you associate manhood with racking up women's phone numbers? Why do you insult any man whom you perceive as not being able to do this up to what you see as your level of superiority?

Once again, I understand that Ignoring everyone is your prerogative, but you're making replies without having any sort of context as to what the person is talking about. And once again, Zero was answering talking to me, not you.

Zero, don't you listen to this garbage.

We've all known you for years and we know you're a great guy whom any of us can vouch for. :giggle:
Steve,

I know you won't see my post, but because you used a book about stock market investing in your example, that's what Zero and I were talking about -- calls and puts -- so, stock market options.

This is what Zero was talking about when he said he'd thought about getting into options.

Hopefully, the biggest lesson people have learned from this exchange is:

When you put everyone on Ignore, but still insist on participating despite having no clue as to what people are talking about -- it makes you look like a big moron.

And even more so when you're the one who wrote the thread.
 

melita916

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Does this mean if I change the subject, I’m weak too? Oh man! Because sometimes I’ll be talking to just any ole person, and they say something that reminds of something else, and I bring it up in conversation.

maybe I shouldn’t talk at all. Oops. Some might agree with that. 😂
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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Does this mean if I change the subject, I’m weak too? Oh man! Because sometimes I’ll be talking to just any ole person, and they say something that reminds of something else, and I bring it up in conversation.

maybe I shouldn’t talk at all. Oops. Some might agree with that. 😂
Steve's going to write his next thread and think no one is answering.

In reality, there'll probably be an entire conversation going on -- but he won't know because he'll have every last one of us on Ignore, except Magenta.
 

melita916

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Steve's going to write his next thread and think no one is answering.

In reality, there'll probably be an entire conversation going on -- but he won't know because he'll have every last one of us on Ignore, except Magenta.
not gonna lie. I’m surprised I’m on ignore. I’m a flipping delight! lol
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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not gonna lie. I’m surprised I’m on ignore. I’m a flipping delight! lol
I saw your post in which you asked him how old he was...

He wrote another thread saying something that alluded to his age and he said something like, "Nice try, you're not going to get that information out of me!" so I wasn't surprised when he didn't answer you.

But many of us have asked him lots of things and he never answers those questions either -- unless it's with some kind of put-down instead of a real answer.
 

melita916

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I saw your post in which you asked him how old he was...

He wrote another thread saying something that alluded to his age and he said something like, "Nice try, you're not going to get that information out of me!" so I wasn't surprised when he didn't answer you.

But many of us have asked him lots of things and he never answers those questions either -- unless it's with some kind of put-down instead of a real answer.
Oh well. I just wanted to know how many years of experience he has as a relationship expert.
 

seoulsearch

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Oh well. I just wanted to know how many years of experience he has as a relationship expert.
He's mentioned an 11-year-old son and is apparently divorced, so I'm guessing he's at least 30's.

Some things in his posts make me think he's in his 40's, but I could be way off.

And of course, he's welcome to correct me.