The Great Blessing Of Election Unto Salvation

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John146

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You cannot blame God for mans sin!
All non Cals try this. men love sin.

God has never intended to save all men who were ever born.
God saves those he has included in the Covenant of Redemption. No more, No less!
Is God not capable of saving all men? Is his blood not sufficient to save all men who ever lived? Are you limiting the power of his blood?
 
hey bro. Can yu check your quotes in the futrure, this is the second time I have had to open your response and cut and past your response in a quote to respond to you.
If I am doing something wrong, it is because I do not know what I am doing,lol

God offers everyone a new heart. They have to recieve it. God is not a respector of persons.
We have had some good exchange of ideas so far. But As you might suspect, I have a bit of a hard edge on some of these issues.

For example......what do you mean that God offers everyone a new heart?

Do you mean everyone who hears the gospel preached?

EG, there are many people who live and die, even this week, who never hear about Jesus. They are never offered a new heart.


I agree
Not of blood (my parents can not make me saved if they are saved, it does not pass to me)
I can not will myself to heaven, if I could. Christ died in vail, God has to save me
No one can will me to heaven, and I can not will anyone else to heaven, again, god must save not us.
The more we can agree, the better off we are.
 
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Hello Mike,
The Christian life is very exciting in that as we serve God we offer life to dead sinners. God can and does heal today, according to His will. God used signs in wonders in History and during the foundational times of the Apostles.Eph.2:20-22.

I would like to be an Apostle, but the ones God has given have done exactly what He designed for them to do.
I have learned to be content with the great gift of scripture he has had them give to us, and as the Spirit illuminates these truths to us , we can do the greater works of preaching Christ worldwide. learn the word, use the word, serve God.
greetings brother 🙏 you have a great outlook and its inspiring to see humility in the body of Christ.

May God grant you wisdom and enlighten the eyes of your understanding ⚔️✨🛡
 

Hakawaka

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You cannot blame God for mans sin!
All non Cals try this. men love sin.

God has never intended to save all men who were ever born.
God saves those he has included in the Covenant of Redemption. No more, No less!
But friend, that is logically where calvinist theology leads to, no matter how much you deny it.

If God predestinated ALL things that happen, that means every sin, has also been predestinated.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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If I am doing something wrong, it is because I do not know what I am doing,lol
lol. I have been there. it happened again, I am not sure how you are quoting to help


God offers everyone a new heart. They have to recieve it. God is not a respector of persons.

We have had some good exchange of ideas so far. But As you might suspect, I have a bit of a hard edge on some of these issues.

For example......what do you mean that God offers everyone a new heart?

Do you mean everyone who hears the gospel preached?

EG, there are many people who live and die, even this week, who never hear about Jesus. They are never offered a new heart.
Yet as paul said, they have no excuse. because what has been known about God is evident to them, even his eternal power and godhead. The wrath of God is revealed to them.. so they have no excuse.

No one will have an excuse on judgment day they did not know they were guilty of sin. (romans 1)

they then have the HS, who convicts the world of sin righteousness and judgment. I remember growing up and hearing the testimony of missionaries say they would end up in an area where the gospel never was given, and the people welcomed them, and God told them they would be sent..

I believe God knows a persons heart. If they will respond. God will get them the gospel. If they will not,. He will nto put his people in danger. they still have no excuse.


I agree
Not of blood (my parents can not make me saved if they are saved, it does not pass to me)
I can not will myself to heaven, if I could. Christ died in vail, God has to save me
No one can will me to heaven, and I can not will anyone else to heaven, again, god must save not us.

The more we can agree, the better off we are.
agree
 

Evmur

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3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,


Blessed and Happy are those who God in mercy Draws savingly to Himself. We are told by the Apostle Paul we are blessed with all spiritual blessings, what could possibly go wrong with this???
This is election unto the church, to the body of Christ, the people of God in this world.

We are chosen to be the instrument [through Christ] of blessing to the families of the earth. A city set upon a hill ... to exclude everybody? no, never. we are set to be a beacon of hope, a place of succour, a safe harbour for the hungry, the weary, the lost and forsaken of this world.

THAT is what we are elected unto.

It doesn't exclude any from being saved.
 
But friend, that is logically where calvinist theology leads to, no matter how much you deny it.

If God predestinated ALL things that happen, that means every sin, has also been predestinated.
Not at all. The theology of scripture does not stand or fall on the carnal logic of fallen mankind. It is derived from the special revelation of God. So we have quickly see where the confusion is found. You make this statement when it has been published for years and years in all the Confessions of faith, who offer Calvinist theology and belief.
Here is the 1689 COF>


Of God’s Decree 1 God hath a decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will,
freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;
yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; b
nor is violence offered to the will of the creature,
nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away,
but rather c established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness d in accomplishing his decree. ( a Isa 46:10; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17; Rom 9:15,18; b Jam 1:13; 1Jo 1:5; c Act 4:27-28; Joh 19:11; d Num 23:19; Eph 1:3-5)

If you are going to oppose this truth, do it accurately.
No Calvinist believes what you say. This is THE Statement.
 
This is election unto the church, to the body of Christ, the people of God in this world.

We are chosen to be the instrument [through Christ] of blessing to the families of the earth. A city set upon a hill ... to exclude everybody? no, never. we are set to be a beacon of hope, a place of succour, a safe harbour for the hungry, the weary, the lost and forsaken of this world.

THAT is what we are elected unto.

It doesn't exclude any from being saved.
The church is called by God to be saved from their sins.

The church does not exclude anyone, but unrepented sin does exclude them.
 

Evmur

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The church is called by God to be saved from their sins.

The church does not exclude anyone, but unrepented sin does exclude them.
I am very happy that Jesus will judge the peoples with perfect equity .... are you? let us not make judgements before that day.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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I am aware of Romans 3 and I have checked the quotes from Paul from the psalms.Here is an example of someone seeking God in the Bible:

Jeremiah 29.13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

Many many examples
Right. The same word for "seek" used in Jeremiah 29:13 ^ is also used in the Hosea 5:14-6:3 passage (below):


Hos 5:14
For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.

Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek [H1245; same word in Jer29:13] my face: in their affliction they will seek me early [H7836; or, seek me earnestly].

Hos 6:1
Come, and let us [Israel] return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us [Israel] ; he hath smitten, and he will bind us [Israel] up.

Hos 6:2
After two days will he revive us [Israel]: in the third day he will raise us [Israel] up, and we [Israel] shall live in his sight.
[that is, "after two days" and "in the third day" from the perspective in time of His ascension (32ad)--so, it is nearly that time now, as these are not "24-hr days" being spoken of, here]

Hos 6:3
Then shall we [Israel] know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us [Israel] as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth [or, as the spring rain unto the earth].







[and this whole passage ^ (esp. vv.15 ["TILL"], 6:1-2) corresponds with what is said in Romans 11:25[,15] about them, "blindness [/a hardening] in part is happened to Israel UNTIL..."; and in Rom11:27-28, "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes."]
 

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This format leaves "holes" in the discussion.
The biblical teaching of election and predestination has already been established in Romans 8,9, 10,. It carries over. rom8:28-39.


Now take a few minutes, read these three chapters several times. See the flow of thought. Then you will understand that the gentiles who are now grafted are part of the election of grace. It is all the chapters together that open up the teaching. This is not a one verse kind of answers all.

The gentiles are used to provoke Israel.
65 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
the context of Roman 8 starts in chapter 6
 

FollowerofShiloh

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To those Doctrines always pushing this idea about God's sovereignty: [Especially that He made me saved without me yielding to Him]

THE SOVEREIGNTY of GOD
The word “sovereign” """is not used""" in any Version of the Bible


It means YOU and OTHERS who make up Doctrines use a WORD not literally found in the BIBLE.

The Ancient Hebrews used a form of the word but not the same meaning as the Reformed use it and 303 times it is known as the LORD GOD.

So stop using a word that God Himself NEVER USED!!
 
I am very happy that Jesus will judge the peoples with perfect equity .... are you? let us not make judgements before that day.
Hello Evmur,
We are never called to pronounce eternal judgment as Jesus does that.

We are called to make many righteous judgments, daily. jn7
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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God is adding to local churches minute by minute. People are not saved from their sins until regeneration.
Yes, But saying he is adding to the church is different than saying he is saving the church..

And I agree. we are justified by faith, at which point our penalty of sin is removed, and the thing that keeps us dead (the wage of sin) is removed, making us alive in christ (regenerated)
 
Yes, But saying he is adding to the church is different than saying he is saving the church..

And I agree. we are justified by faith, at which point our penalty of sin is removed, and the thing that keeps us dead (the wage of sin) is removed, making us alive in christ (regenerated)
Let me clarify a bit;
God saves sinners. 1tim1:15
God saves sinners from their sins. Mt.1:21
Saved sinners who are already justified assemble together

These Local assemblies of saved sinners are known to be churches
 

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“…Men have decided to sin…”
Before salvation, this is wrong. After salvation, this is sort of right.

Paul says in Romans 7:17, “But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me” (NKJV). (Sin lives in us)

Before salvation we are slaves to sin. After salvation we still sin, but we are no longer slaves to it; God pulls us away from it. If we sin, we are given forgiveness.