has Christ made you perfect

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helifore

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after years of struggling to better myself i have finally come to the conclusion that it is impossible because Christ is the only one that can do that and it was done at the moment of my rebirth
 

wolfwint

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after years of struggling to better myself i have finally come to the conclusion that it is impossible because Christ is the only one that can do that and it was done at the moment of my rebirth
Thats right. So long we stay in our old body, we cant be perfect. Thats for the time after.
 

homwardbound

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after years of struggling to better myself i have finally come to the conclusion that it is impossible because Christ is the only one that can do that and it was done at the moment of my rebirth

John 4:24

King James Version

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 

helifore

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Thats right. So long we stay in our old body, we cant be perfect. Thats for the time after.
so its my body that's not perfect, that's pretty obvious thanks for the insight
 

Cameron143

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after years of struggling to better myself i have finally come to the conclusion that it is impossible because Christ is the only one that can do that and it was done at the moment of my rebirth
Perfect biblically doesn't mean without flaw or error, but mature. And God is always at work in the believer, willing and doing of His good pleasure...Philippians 2:13. We are not to resist this work, but work it out into our lives...Philippians 2:12, and with patience endure the trials of life given that these trials are perfecting us...James 1:4.
Hope this helps.
 

MerSee

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Jesus does not force anyone to ultimately believe his correct/sound doctrine. The rest are not of the elect.
 

wolfwint

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so its my body that's not perfect, that's pretty obvious thanks for the insight
I said not, that your body is not perfect. I said so long we stay in our old body we cant be pefect. I thought thats a different 😀
 

Pilgrimshope

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after years of struggling to better myself i have finally come to the conclusion that it is impossible because Christ is the only one that can do that and it was done at the moment of my rebirth
Paul tells us how to be perfect in Christ

Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect:

but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭3:12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In more modern English language

Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭3:12-16‬ ‭

often the bible is teaching us the right frame of mind to have about things and speaks rather straight forward

christians are disciples or “ believers in and followers of “ Jesus and his teachings “ this is literally what a “ Christian “ is a “disciple “ of Jesus this term means follower of Paul is teaching there in those passages the correct frame of mind for a disciple always a follower pursuing perfection but never quite attaining to it

one day we will all be glorified like Christ until then we’re meant to learn from and follow him straining ahead towards the goal reaching forth into What’s just beyond us becoming more like him as we progress through life by faith but eventually he will complete us

“Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:2‬ ‭
 

Karlon

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after years of struggling to better myself i have finally come to the conclusion that it is impossible because Christ is the only one that can do that and it was done at the moment of my rebirth
but you can get real close to Matthew 5:48: "be ye therefore perfect, even as your father which is in heaven is perfect".
 

Nehemiah6

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after years of struggling to better myself i have finally come to the conclusion that it is impossible because Christ is the only one that can do that and it was done at the moment of my rebirth
When God justifies a person, it is God who DEEMS that person to be as righteous as Christ. This is called "imputed righteousness". And your New Birth enables you to obey God and Christ.

But you and I will be perfected at the Resurrection/Rapture. In the interim God has given us His Holy Spirit, so that we will "walk in the Spirit" and avoid all sin and evil by the power of the Spirit, and the power of the Word of God.
 

HeIsHere

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after years of struggling to better myself i have finally come to the conclusion that it is impossible because Christ is the only one that can do that and it was done at the moment of my rebirth
Lean into what is already there. God does not perfect the flesh.
 

Adstar

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after years of struggling to better myself i have finally come to the conclusion that it is impossible because Christ is the only one that can do that and it was done at the moment of my rebirth
I am DEEMED Perfect by The LORD because my imperfections are covered by the Atoning Blood of the LORD Jesus... It is Good to struggle to better yourself.. But remember the ultimate Victory has been won by the Work of the LORD Jesus Not by us.. All Glory praise and any boasting is for the LORD Jesus. Not us..
 

Nehemiah6

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Lean into what is already there. God does not perfect the flesh.
Not true, if by flesh you mean the human body.

Why do you think God planned the Resurrection/Rapture? So study 1 Corinthians 15, and forget about all your other ideas. Christ has a glorified resurrection body, and so will every saint.
 

Nehemiah6

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Jesus does not force anyone to ultimately believe his correct/sound doctrine. The rest are not of the elect.
Lord have "mersee" on these delusions about the elect. :cool:
 

Magenta

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When God justifies a person, it is God who DEEMS that person to be as righteous as Christ. This is called "imputed righteousness". And your New Birth enables you to obey God and Christ.

But you and I will be perfected at the Resurrection/Rapture. In the interim God has given us His Holy Spirit, so that we will "walk in the Spirit" and avoid all sin and evil by the power of the Spirit, and the power of the Word of God.
Do you believe you avoid all sin? I know for a fact you do not.
 

Nehemiah6

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Do you believe you avoid all sin? I know for a fact you do not.
All Christians can consciously avoid all sin. Including you. So in fact I can consciously avoid all sin, and all Christians can do the same.

The Bible clearly spells out what is sin and what is righteousness. The conscience also makes right and wrong perfectly clear. The Holy Spirit also tells us what is sin and what is righteousness.

But that does not mean that any of us can always do what is right, and there are also sins of omission. So in the end we must never say that we have no sin. See 1 John 1 and 2.
 

Magenta

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All Christians can consciously avoid all sin. Including you. So in fact I can consciously avoid all sin, and all Christians can do the same.

The Bible clearly spells out what is sin and what is righteousness. The conscience also makes right and wrong perfectly clear. The Holy Spirit also tells us what is sin and what is righteousness.

But that does not mean that any of us can always do what is right, and there are also sins of omission. So in the end we must never say that we have no sin. See 1 John 1 and 2.
You did not answer the question. Still, I know what the answer is.
 

Nehemiah6

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You did not answer the question. Still, I know what the answer is.
I answered it according to the Bible, not your preconceptions. So let's just stop this nonsense.
 

helifore

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Do you believe you avoid all sin? I know for a fact you do not.
the fault of all humans is that they think they have the right to Judge for others. no one can know for a fact what is possible for others