These strategies of the enemy could also be used against Christian forums

[ZNP]

Here is a personal testimony from an Actor in Hollywood

He is still influenced by Ellen White so I suspect his journey to salvation is ongoing.

 

[SonJudgment]

Carnal is a good word in this instance, much more appropriate than occult. Carnality is quite entertaining... and they ARE trying to sell entertainment. It's hard to make a spiritual video game that is entertaining. Same with videos.

I see a lot of it in the stand-up comedy that I listen to, or in many cases stop listening to after three minutes. The good comedians actually have funny material. The hacks go straight for dirty jokes, because they are easier and guaranteed to get laughs from the lowest common denominator.

No problem, I will post some material that proves beyond all reasonable doubt.

In the meantime consider two all time classic Christmas movies.

Miracle on 34th Street and It's a Wonderful Life.

Miracle on 34th street concludes with the little girl saying "I believe, I believe". Clearly a reference to believing in Jesus only she is talking about believing in Santa. She has been told that she must pray in faith, her prayer is for the house with the picket fence in the suburbs. The single mother finds a husband and the girl gets her swing set. It appears to be wholesome and good, but it causes so many to misaim.

Then you have It's a Wonderful Life -- The evil banker is defeated, not because he is exposed and prosecuted but because all the townspeople stand together to help out the man who is wrongfully accused of defrauding the people of their money. Why do all these people come to bail him out (hence the name Bailey)? Because he did each of them a favor. It isn't because they think he is innocent, no this is about a law that supersedes the laws of the country. In fact this is what FreeMasons are all about. If your brother is in trouble and he needs your help and you can give it to him then you are obligated to. This is why they have secret hand signals to alert others that they need their help. This is why criminals will walk free from the court because the judge is a Freemason. We are supposed to walk according to our conscience but FreeMasons create a club that stands together regardless of your conscience. In the story of "Its a Wonderful Life" it is a matter of life and death and no doubt for many of the criminal element in Freemasons it is also a matter of life and death. Why do you think we have Epstein's list of people and none of them have had a trial yet? Why do you think that no matter who gets elected it seems they are incapable of doing the people's will?

This is how Hollywood anesthetizes people. I have picked out the "best" of the Christmas movies, no doubt for every "good" one you can easily find an evil one.

Indeed. Carnality really just means worldliness, so indeed it is fitting. I would say it is not neccessarily incorrect that a lot of groups are occultic or influenced by the occult, but at the same time just being pagan or an unbeliever is not neccessarily the equivalent to being occult. The thing with occult groups is they promise to have "hidden knowledge", that's sort of the hook for them and what defines them as occult. Yet when one observes such groups they always smack of just pretty basic worldliness. We see in the video in the OP even what motivated this fellow to engage in the new age practices and witchcrafts? Well he says outright he was trying to compensate for his lack of the spiritual things and thus his thirst for them but he erred by trying to substitute the spiritual with worldly things like drugs and sex and then he made a supposed pact with the Devil for worldly power and worldly acceptance. This is where I think a lot of the groups of unbelievers are not very serious, rather than the pagans of old who were driven by belief, the modern pagans or even nominal Christians are something of a dark parody of themselves because they are driven by unbelief really and thus the phenomenon of their superficial spirituality as something of a cope or a poor substitute to real spirituality and real belief in the very real God.

 

[ZNP]

Indeed. Carnality really just means worldliness, so indeed it is fitting. I would say it is not neccessarily incorrect that a lot of groups are occultic or influenced by the occult, but at the same time just being pagan or an unbeliever is not neccessarily the equivalent to being occult. The thing with occult groups is they promise to have "hidden knowledge", that's sort of the hook for them and what defines them as occult. Yet when one observes such groups they always smack of just pretty basic worldliness. We see in the video in the OP even what motivated this fellow to engage in the new age practices and witchcrafts? Well he says outright he was trying to compensate for his lack of the spiritual things and thus his thirst for them but he erred by trying to substitute the spiritual with worldly things like drugs and sex and then he made a supposed pact with the Devil for worldly power and worldly acceptance. This is where I think a lot of the groups of unbelievers are not very serious, rather than the pagans of old who were driven by belief, the modern pagans or even nominal Christians are something of a dark parody of themselves because they are driven by unbelief really and thus the phenomenon of their superficial spirituality as something of a cope or a poor substitute to real spirituality and real belief in the very real God.

Magic is the occult. The Miracle on 34th street is teaching people to believe in a lie (the whole I believe in Santa) and it is focused on magic. Obviously I could go through other Hollywood productions with a Christmas theme and find all kinds of occult references. Suffice it to say Materialism is that big open door to paganism and the occult.

As for "Its a Wonderful Life" there is a very clear FreeMason message there. People think it is a Christian movie, but there is really no Christian reference at all. You have a "fallen angel" at the center of the story who needs to earn his wings through a works based salvation message.

 

[ZNP]

There is another classic Christmas movie, Charlie Brown's Christmas that focuses on the commercialism of Christmas. By all accounts you would think this is truly a Christian movie, Linus recites from the book of Luke, clearly referencing the birth of Jesus as the savior. It highlights the crass commercialism, the greedy Christmas letters and the ostentations light displays.

Everything about this movie seems wonderful, heartwarming and Christian. But the entire movie is focused on idolatry.

What you are left with is not worship for Jesus, the babe of Bethlehem, but the worship of a Christmas tree.

These three movies are the "best". The "worst" are as black as black can be. Even Die Hard movies are considered Christmas movies.

It is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Suppose you think that Charlie Brown's Christmas is good and you want your kids to see that. OK, but you know they will watch ten more Christmas movies as well. That is simply the one that ushers them in.

Hollywood is the siren sound that lures kids in and then they can never leave.

 

[SonJudgment]

Magic is the occult. The Miracle on 34th street is teaching people to believe in a lie (the whole I believe in Santa) and it is focused on magic. Obviously I could go through other Hollywood productions with a Christmas theme and find all kinds of occult references. Suffice it to say Materialism is that big open door to paganism and the occult.

As for "Its a Wonderful Life" there is a very clear FreeMason message there. People think it is a Christian movie, but there is really no Christian reference at all. You have a "fallen angel" at the center of the story who needs to earn his wings through a works based salvation message.

Well magic and witchcraft can be occult but not neccesarily is this always the case. In the context of the occult that is indeed usually the "hidden knowledge" they purport to have as a sort of hook for a new recruit. Yet in this time even witchcraft groups are driven really by unbelief compared to the older pagans and their practices of witchcraft which were driven by belief, specifically they actually believed in the existence of their false gods. You see though in the modern time a lot of people, even Christians don't really believe in God, or in the case of neopagans and witchcraft groups, their false gods. Since they're motivated more by unbelief rather than belief what you'll see is they have a more conceptualized understanding of what a deity is, or try to make the deity into an allegory, or even just an outright rejection of the existence of a god and thus they substitute God or their false gods with things of the world or elsewise they conflate God or their false gods with worldly phenomenon. This is where really the first step to breaking this stuff is to understand the reality of God, and that God is his own person with his own will. As in the OP video we see the fellow began to break away from the evil when he called out to Jesus thus acknowledging the existence of God as an actual reality and thus showing a small amount of faith that there is a God.

 

[ZNP]

Well magic and witchcraft can be occult but not neccesarily is this always the case. In the context of the occult that is indeed usually the "hidden knowledge" they purport to have as a sort of hook for a new recruit. Yet in this time even witchcraft groups are driven really by unbelief compared to the older pagans and their practices of witchcraft which were driven by belief, specifically they actually believed in the existence of their false gods. You see though in the modern time a lot of people, even Christians don't really believe in God, or in the case of neopagans and witchcraft groups, their false gods. Since they're motivated more by unbelief rather than belief what you'll see is they have a more conceptualized understanding of what a deity is, or try to make the deity into an allegory, or even just an outright rejection of the existence of a god and thus they substitute God or their false gods with things of the world or elsewise they conflate God or their false gods with worldly phenomenon. This is where really the first step to breaking this stuff is to understand the reality of God, and that God is his own person with his own will. As in the OP video we see the fellow began to break away from the evil when he called out to Jesus thus acknowledging the existence of God as an actual reality and thus showing a small amount of faith that there is a God.

The bottom line is they are going after the children at the most impressionable age and Christians are putting their kids in front of this TV clueless about who is taking care of them and what the agenda is.

 

[Lynx]

Indeed. Carnality really just means worldliness, so indeed it is fitting. I would say it is not neccessarily incorrect that a lot of groups are occultic or influenced by the occult, but at the same time just being pagan or an unbeliever is not neccessarily the equivalent to being occult. The thing with occult groups is they promise to have "hidden knowledge", that's sort of the hook for them and what defines them as occult. Yet when one observes such groups they always smack of just pretty basic worldliness. We see in the video in the OP even what motivated this fellow to engage in the new age practices and witchcrafts? Well he says outright he was trying to compensate for his lack of the spiritual things and thus his thirst for them but he erred by trying to substitute the spiritual with worldly things like drugs and sex and then he made a supposed pact with the Devil for worldly power and worldly acceptance. This is where I think a lot of the groups of unbelievers are not very serious, rather than the pagans of old who were driven by belief, the modern pagans or even nominal Christians are something of a dark parody of themselves because they are driven by unbelief really and thus the phenomenon of their superficial spirituality as something of a cope or a poor substitute to real spirituality and real belief in the very real God.

That makes sense...

But that would also mean there are a lot of Christian occult guys running around this forum. They are always claiming to have some kind of hidden knowledge.

 

[ZNP]

That makes sense...

But that would also mean there are a lot of Christian occult guys running around this forum. They are always claiming to have some kind of hidden knowledge.

The difference between the Bible and the occult is in the occult they have "secret" societies, with oaths to secrecy. In the NT we don't have any secret societies, no oaths to secrecy, no loyalty pledges. Everything we speak we speak to all. Nothing is done in secret.

FreeMasons have to take a pledge with a knife or sword to their chest, pledging to keep these things secret or else they will be killed.

So then how can they claim to be Christians? How can they say that this is just a good ole boys club. No person who is a Christian should be involved in secret societies or loyalty pledges or making an oath to obey anyone that violates what the Lord tells you to do.

Also it is foolish to assume there are not a lot of these people in the occult running around here. Instead we should assume that for every person who is absolute for the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of all, there is also a person who is absolute for the demon or fallen angel they worship.

 

[SonJudgment]

The bottom line is they are going after the children at the most impressionable age and Christians are putting their kids in front of this TV clueless about who is taking care of them and what the agenda is.

I don't disagree, but I think their motivations are much more mundane, I think that they are motivated to distract their kids or keep them busy rather than to actually teach them anything, but indeed I do think then the kids will learn all sorts of things regardless. This is a common phenomenon, people have unbelief by reason that they learned unbelief from fiction. It's the dark parody aspect really.

That makes sense...

But that would also mean there are a lot of Christian occult guys running around this forum. They are always claiming to have some kind of hidden knowledge.

Well I would think circling back to the point on the forum, I suppose this forum is not unlike any other forum and I would stand by my earlier belief before watching the video and engaging in discourse that there are already tares among them motivated by earthly things and the typical dynamic of cliques and partiality and the eat-yourself-alive dynamic will simply play itself out. The true faithful are too strong to be moved away from God and will endure in the faith regardless of the Devil, the worldly cares, or persecutions. Parable of the seeds really.

 

[ZNP]

Freemasons are the largest secret organization in the world with about 5 million members and 2 million in the US.

This is a spiritual organization claiming to give you secret keys to open the doors of heaven and the people in this organization take a blood oath on penalty of death to make this organization take precedence over all other organizations including church in a person's life.

The official starting point was 1717 but probably had roots going back a few hundred years before that.

They believe in whatever god you want to bring to the table, clearly not Christian. And yet many big names in FreeMasonry are and have been clergy men.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

What is ridiculous is that you are "poking fun" at people who are trying to discuss things the Bible warns us to be aware of...

Most of the Epistles give warnings to God's people.

Jesus warned His disciples too.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Freemasons are the largest secret organization in the world with about 5 million members and 2 million in the US.

This is a spiritual organization claiming to give you secret keys to open the doors of heaven and the people in this organization take a blood oath on penalty of death to make this organization take precedence over all other organizations including church in a person's life.

The official starting point was 1717 but probably had roots going back a few hundred years before that.

They believe in whatever god you want to bring to the table, clearly not Christian. And yet many big names in FreeMasonry are and have been clergy men.

I could write a book on the attacks and infiltrations from the devil's minions. Perhaps I will some day. I don't know.

My experiences with masons are specifically in regards to friends who tried to recruit me to their Elks Lodge years ago. I learned that the various lodges were offshoots of the Masons designed to snare the variety of people from all walks of life. They overlap in ways, but go by different names.

 

[tourist]

Sometimes - something funny said with good timing can be a good thing - we all know that.

However, some people want to be the funny-man in every thread - which is not the best thing.

My bad, per usual.

 

[ZNP]

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

It is foolish to mock or scoff at this. We have been told in the New Testament by Paul that this has been at work since the beginning of the church age. Also, 2 Thessalonians is written to a new church with many that may have been saved less than a year. So this is not some doctrine that should only be taught to the most mature saints, rather this should be taught to believers very early on in their Christian life.

 

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[maxwel]

Exposing the Occult in Churches Secret Societies Unveiled: Billy Crone Speaks Out

Lord Jesus we pray that those who come to this forum, to Christianchat.com would be fed with the word of God, that it would be a sharp two edged sword dividing soul from spirit. Lord we ask that the word would shine brightly on this forum so that all could see that Jesus Christ is Lord of all and that they might be led out of the kingdom of darkness and see the folly of following Satan into the pit of hell.

I finally listened to the video, so here are my thoughts.

Thesis of Video:
Occult groups are infiltrating churches, with covert operatives, in some kind of broad and systematic way.

1.) The video offered no real evidence for this.

2.) The video offered a few anecdotes, but nothing that can be verified, and nothing that shows any kind of systematic infiltration.

3.) Overall, the video did not give any evidence for it's thesis.

4.) That is not proof AGAINST the thesis... it just means the thesis is unsupported.

5.) However, if we walk the thesis back a bit, and make a less broad claim, I think we have plenty of evidence.


Alternate Thesis:
Satanic powers are bent on attacking the churches and the gospel, through various means.

If we scale our claim back a bit, to this alternate thesis, I think we'll find extraordinary evidence of all kinds... and a biblical foundation for it.


God Bless.
Hope you all have a great week.

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[ZNP]

I finally listened to the video, so here are my thoughts.

Thesis of Video:
Occult groups are infiltrating churches, with covert operatives, in some kind of broad and systematic way.

1.) The video offered no real evidence for this.

2.) The video offered a few anecdotes, but nothing that can be verified, and nothing that shows any kind of systematic infiltration.

3.) Overall, the video did not give any evidence for it's thesis.

4.) That is not proof AGAINST the thesis... it just means the thesis is unsupported.

5.) However, if we walk the thesis back a bit, and make a less broad claim, I think we have plenty of evidence.


Alternate Thesis:
Satanic powers are bent on attacking the churches and the gospel, through various means.

If we scale our claim back a bit, to this alternate thesis, I think we'll find extraordinary evidence of all kinds... and a biblical foundation for it.


God Bless.
Hope you all have a great week.

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As a response, this is one video, he has a ten part series on FreeMasons on his website and 12 videos on the New Age movement. 12 videos on Roman Catholicism. He also has a series of videos on Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists and Christian Science as well as Scientology.

https://www.getalifemedia.com/video/bibleclasses/worldreligions/freemasonry.shtml

So basing the idea that there is no evidence provided in the interview is not a complete view of what he shares. Like you, I am not all that interested in this topic that I would watch forty videos on it, but if I ever do get very bored I might.

However, as for "no evidence" I would suggest that the apostasy is evidence. This movement is clearly not from the Bible, nor is the LGBTQ+ movement. There are many churches now that do not recognize the Bible as the infallible word of God.

I would also suggest that 501c(3) is also evidence. There is no constitutional basis for the IRS or federal government to exercise this oversight over what pastors can say from the pulpit.

 

[maxwel]

However, as for "no evidence" I would suggest that the apostasy is evidence. This movement is clearly not from the Bible, nor is the LGBTQ+ movement. There are many churches now that do not recognize the Bible as the infallible word of God.

That statement would be evidence of a different claim... not the claim presented in the opening post.

My point is not that there are no problems in the church, or that there are no satanic attacks upon it.
My point is that this PARTICULAR VIDEO presents a PARTICULAR CLAIM that it doesn't really support.

I fully agree with you there are many attacks upon Christianity, and upon the Church.
I'll also agree there may be better evidences in his other zillions of videos.
Who knows.
: )

Take care brother.
Have a great week.

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