Assassination attemp against Donald Trump

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ZNP

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I understood that as "human element" and "retrospect" and "there's nothing that goes according to plan in war or chaos".
These are points that Susana has been saying since she has been in wars.
In war, you either freeze and you die, which is a blessing honestly compared to being injured (mentally or physically), or you make the best of the situation or, and this is the worst part, you become desensitized and become a butcher and then have dinner with your family like nothing happened.
We all agree, even Joe Biden, that nothing goes according to plan, that is why he asked Trump why he turned his head. The human element, the human error here was not about this man being on the roof that was not guarded and able to Shoot President with a clear line of sight despite more than enough time for the security detail to put a stop to it. No the human element was Trump turning his head and the bullet clipping his ear instead of blowing his head off.
 

Eli1

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We all agree, even Joe Biden, that nothing goes according to plan, that is why he asked Trump why he turned his head. The human element, the human error here was not about this man being on the roof that was not guarded and able to Shoot President with a clear line of sight despite more than enough time for the security detail to put a stop to it. No the human element was Trump turning his head and the bullet clipping his ear instead of blowing his head off.
The Biden element is always as clear as mud :)
 

JTB

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I'm not sure why people keep repeating this made-up definition of insanity. The only thing that is insane, is that people keep trying to link it to Einstein. No evidence of this.
People keep quoting it because it's a valid statement.

What would you call it when people keep doing the same thing, while expecting different results?

I guess stupidity fits the definition...
 
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This is not a theocracy. If people want to sin it’s between them and God.
Who is talking about a theocracy? A POLITICAL party has no business encouraging any kind of private deeds. They just needed to leave things the way they were. The perverts are a small minority, and there is no need to cater to the LGBTQ crowd. The majority of people want nothing to do with this, and the majority of votes is what they should focus on.
 

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This is not a theocracy. If people want to sin it’s between them and God.
There are so many levels to this, but it's always an interesting point;
  • Ultimately everything's a Theocracy - rule by God - and we will all realize this some day.
  • From there, there is delegated:
    • Rule of self according to God's Standards which men fail miserably at. As one teacher I heard say, 'you want to rule the earth and you can't even rule your own little pile of dirt (body).' This is where rule over sin is to be taking place.
    • Family rule (skipping for now but more rule over sin is to be taking place).
    • Church rule. For the most part the organized Church is doing a terrible job at dealing with sin. There are supposed to be congregational judiciaries in place with mature and wise judges dealing with sins and problems within. What is called "Church" is a denominational, fractured mess. What denomination would any of us want ruling a nation? Take a look at the Bible discussion forums on this or other sites. The mess is front and center for anyone to see.
    • National Gov't: How is it supposed to work as it is supposed to work when foundationally, the first 2 above, let alone the 3rd, are not working well? At some point we're going to run out of theories and ideological experiments and prove that we were never designed to be apart from the only Theocracy.
I think the problem with your last sentence is in defining "sin." At the end of the analysis, it's deviation from a standard. Biblically, of course, it's God's standard. But, nationally, apart from a theocracy (little "t") what is deviation when there is really little to no standard ? Even the Constitution is not the standard for the gov't we've had for some time now.

The problem for the nation is it has no real standard. When it had more of a national standard, not only did it function better than where we are now, but neighbors would take a stand and speak to neighbors who were out of line with the standard. I saw it taking place among men when I was a kid and I saw disorderly teen boys back down from a man that would approach them and put them in their place. It didn't take a cop and it was extremely rare for anyone to mouth off to an authoritative man let alone a cop and let alone attack one physically.

There is something very interesting taking place in the Trump leadership of the Republican party. IMO it's reaching out to be more inclusive and to put down some of the religious thumping that does not even rule it's own house well. Democracy is a numbers game and it's taking a very bright if not brilliant businessman to face this reality. He's also pushing some of the issues back to the states where neighbors can deal with neighbors and determine what their neighborhoods are going to be. We saw some of these people speak at the convention. I was intrigued. God has people everywhere and one of His can make amazing strides in a neighborhood and spread beyond from there. It goes right back to the above list. Foundations.

Interesting times IMO. MAGA is a reshaping and Trump IMO is attempting to do something that very well could be putting everyone in their place to varying degrees. The bullet he just faced may have also reshaped him and put him in his place to some degree. We'll see.

One thing for sure, again IMO, is that the current criminality (sin) in gov't needs to be dealt with as harshly as necessary to get rid of it and let it know it's not to try to come back. Then we need to know what our standards are and they need to be taught to kids. And the above list needs to be working to do its part. Anything outside the boundaries of those standards needs to be dealt with to keep such things at bay. Lawfulness. If a state becomes a safe harbor for things most other states determine to be unlawful, and if the standards are based upon the real Standards, we'll see how that state fairs...

It's vividly clear what Obama, Clinton, Biden, etc. want. It should be visibly clear that it took a Trump to bring their filth to the surface so it could be clearly seen. We have 2 choices now. The clear choice is Trump and prayers that he's wiser now than before. How can he not be? Then, what's our standard? Because "sin" is not just between someone and God. Sin affects neighbors and beyond.
 

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I understood that as "human element" and "retrospect" and "there's nothing that goes according to plan in war or chaos".
These are points that Susana has been saying since she has been in wars.
In war, you either freeze and you die, which is a blessing honestly compared to being injured (mentally or physically), or you make the best of the situation or, and this is the worst part, you become desensitized and become a butcher and then have dinner with your family like nothing happened.
I understand this point.

This is not the chaos of war, this was a planned event and yes there is always some level of incompetence but that does not adequately explain all the errors and problems that occurred in both the planning and the execution of creating a safe environment for the rally.
 

Eli1

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I understand this point.

This is not the chaos of war, this was a planned event and yes there is always some level of incompetence but that does not adequately explain all the errors and problems that occurred in both the planning and the execution of creating a safe environment for the rally.
Yes, but this goes back to retrospect and trying to get my 5 minutes of fame like i mentioned yesterday, about fully knowing that 1% will go wrong on a project despite testing and us technicians thinking about all possible lines of code we have to write so we can factor-in all possibilities.
There will be something that we will miss. And it could happen on the live rollout.
 

HeIsHere

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Yes, but this goes back to retrospect and trying to get my 5 minutes of fame like i mentioned yesterday, about fully knowing that 1% will go wrong on a project despite testing and us technicians thinking about all possible lines of code we have to write so we can factor-in all possibilities.
There will be something that we will miss. And it could happen on the live rollout.
I just want to be clear, I will admit I sometimes skim posts cause I usually am multi-tasking (apparently bad for the brain btw:unsure:)

It is your belief, this man acted alone and he was able to take advantage of situation because of poor planning because of DEI and human error?
 

Smoke

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People keep quoting it because it's a valid statement.

What would you call it when people keep doing the same thing, while expecting different results?

I guess stupidity fits the definition...
It actually depends on the scenario. If you are at a roulette wheel and you bet everything on black and win, are you guaranteed to win again if you bet everything on black?

We can repeat an action, but variables constantly change which means sometimes doing the same thing may or may not be insane at all. It's pure foolishness to use an anecdotal scenario to make "insane" mean what you think it means.


in·san·i·ty
/inˈsanədē/

1 dated : a severely disordered state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder
2 law : unsoundness of mind or lack of the ability to understand that prevents someone from having the mental capacity required by law to enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction or that releases someone from criminal or civil responsibility
3 a: extreme folly or unreasonableness the insanity of violence
His comments were pure insanity.
b: something utterly foolish or unreasonable
the insanities of modern life
 

Eli1

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I just want to be clear, I will admit I sometimes skim posts cause I usually am multi-tasking (apparently bad for the brain btw:unsure:)

It is your belief, this man acted alone and he was able to take advantage of situation because of poor planning because of DEI and human error?
It's too soon for me to believe he was alone but so far his profile says that he is the type of person who would do this alone.
When people are too shocked by the reality of the situation by how one man can shoot Trump, Reagan, Jfk or the Pope back in 1981 or any important statesman in history, they want to jump into conspiracies. Or how a group of people hijacked planes in a coordinated attacked using box cutters and exploiting relaxed security measures of the time and compartmentalization of government departments back then so they could be better screened and improve their reaction time.
But the reality is that we can't control anything about our lives with absolute certainty. In retrospect we can all become "experts" but in-the-moment it's always confusion, delays and the chaos that follows after.
 
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It's too soon for me to believe he was alone but so far his profile says that he is the type of person who would do this alone.
When people are too shocked by the reality of the situation by how one man can shoot Trump, Reagan, Jfk or the Pope back in 1981 or any important statesman in history, they want to jump into conspiracies. Or how a group of people hijacked planes in a coordinated attacked using box cutters and exploiting relaxed security measures of the time and compartmentalization of government departments back then so they could be better screened and improve their reaction time.
But the reality is that we can't control anything about our lives with absolute certainty. In retrospect we can all become "experts" but in-the-moment it's always confusion, delays and the chaos that follows after.
Look at the guy who shot John Lennon. A loner who said Lennon's own song told him to shoot Lennon.