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homwardbound

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Who am I? How am I identified? Am I in Christ or Adam?
does belief, Son is risen for me, change me, or do I got to do that, with Gods’ help, after belief?
does God make me new? How does God see me?
‘how do I see me, since I have chosen to believe God In risen Son for me?

I see this,
Either I am a child of God, by God doing it through Son, Jesus or not?

who are you, you believe God right? So then what is your identity from Gods’ view?

an old sinner, a sinner, saved by grace, and I better get better or else? that is like seeing a butterfly, and calling that butterfly an old converted worm. Is that you?

what is Gods’ view of you. Since you decided to believe God? Either perfect or not? (Col 1:21-23)
God’s view of you, you, me and all that have chosen to believe God, God has taken you in with God, to teach you new. Will you stop and listen?
I trust God to carry on God’s work, God starts in the people that choose to believe God, that God loves them and continues to love us all. Which changes people in truth (Phil 1:6). At least has done this to me to see and watch sin (“Unbelief“) wax off from me. (Hebrews 10:17) Giving God all the credit, doing that for each one of God’s kids.
accepted, forgiven and sealed by God for you. Gave you the new identity. (Ephesians 1:6,7,13) A child of the living God, accepted, forgiven and sealed by God for you
see the truth, God just loves you. Thank you God!
Amazing grace from God to us all
 

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tourist

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#2
Who am I? One flawed individual. Fortunately, Jesus still loves me and died for my sins.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#4
“So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭NIV‬‬
 

homwardbound

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#5
“So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭NIV‬‬
Yes, in God there is no neigh. Thanks to God who simply loves us all, once anyone gets that, the changes happen new and naturally in and through them, walking by faith in the risen Son. Learning new, not by physical sight anymore
‘thanks. Out with the old, in with the risen Son as new, seeing
better than a blind man of flesh
i see said the blind man. I would rather be blind physically than spiritually, and not that I see better than any other. I put past behind me and continue in trust to the King of Kings. Teaching me how to walk new given me, the risen Son for me and others too.
growing in grace given me by Son for me, thanking God 24/7 at least learning this truth
Hebrews 5:12- Chapter 6
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yes, in God there is no neigh. Thanks to God who simply loves us all, once anyone gets that, the changes happen new and naturally in and through them, walking by faith in the risen Son. Learning new, not by physical sight anymore
‘thanks. Out with the old, in with the risen Son as new, seeing
better than a blind man of flesh
i see said the blind man. I would rather be blind physically than spiritually, and not that I see better than any other. I put past behind me and continue in trust to the King of Kings. Teaching me how to walk new given me, the risen Son for me and others too.
growing in grace given me by Son for me, thanking God 24/7 at least learning this truth
Hebrews 5:12- Chapter 6
Amen

“learning this truth”

““Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.”

To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.””
‭‭John‬ ‭8:28-29, 31-32‬

“There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.””
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63, 68-69‬ ‭

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭

“And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:16-17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. …But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23, 25‬

“Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

Do everything without grumbling or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.” Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-15‬ ‭

Even though this doesn’t always sound like what we heard about it’s meant to change how we understand God so we’ll change our actions and have that strength he’s trying to mold us like clay if we’ll cooperate with him
 

homwardbound

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Amen

“learning this truth”

““Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.”

To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.””
‭‭John‬ ‭8:28-29, 31-32‬

“There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.””
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63, 68-69‬ ‭

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭

“And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:16-17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. …But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23, 25‬

“Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

Do everything without grumbling or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.” Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-15‬ ‭

Even though this doesn’t always sound like what we heard about it’s meant to change how we understand God so we’ll change our actions and have that strength he’s trying to mold us like clay if we’ll cooperate with him
‘I find this true. From day one I chose belief to God, in Son as risen. Is the day God stepped in me and began God’s perfect work in me
i am definitely not in the same place as was, when I first believed God.
i went astray and am still capable to continue to go astray. I only choose to learn from everything in humility to God for reconciling me and everyone else too.
looking back, I see many things that came upon me. That got me in troubles. I see much has left, in willingness for God’s will of love and mercy to permeate through me. I look back in humility, in thankfulness, knowing it is not me that changed or changes me. As troubles do not stop, I see to be thankful in all things. Learned, learning contentment.
thank you for your replies in encouragement to continue in trust to God over everything whether it be good or bad. Truth is when willing to learn from God, not self or anyone else, truth, freedom comes through, for me at least, seeing I cannot deny God, as Job would not
 

Magenta

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#8

Jesus' words in John 6:45b and John 6:39b
:)
 

Pilgrimshope

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#9
‘I find this true. From day one I chose belief to God, in Son as risen. Is the day God stepped in me and began God’s perfect work in me
i am definitely not in the same place as was, when I first believed God.
i went astray and am still capable to continue to go astray. I only choose to learn from everything in humility to God for reconciling me and everyone else too.
looking back, I see many things that came upon me. That got me in troubles. I see much has left, in willingness for God’s will of love and mercy to permeate through me. I look back in humility, in thankfulness, knowing it is not me that changed or changes me. As troubles do not stop, I see to be thankful in all things. Learned, learning contentment.
thank you for your replies in encouragement to continue in trust to God over everything whether it be good or bad. Truth is when willing to learn from God, not self or anyone else, truth, freedom comes through, for me at least, seeing I cannot deny God, as Job would not
“Truth is when willing to learn from God”

right when we accept what Jesus our Lord said when he came to earth
““You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.””
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭NIV‬‬
 

studentoftheword

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#10
If one is a Born Again Christian ---then it is very important to know who you are in Christ who dwells in you ---

Identifying the Changed you ---from Sinner to Saint -----

That is------ How God sees us through His Eyes now that we are ReBorn of the Spirit --------Our Spirit is Holy and we are Heaven ready ------

Our Identify now is ---that we have been set apart by God from this World -----God sees us as His Child not as a child of this world who rebels against His Will ------but a Child who wants to Please Him and conform to His Will for us------

Our identity now is ----God Loves us as His Child --and our Following Him needs to reflect that -----

Our Identity now is ---We are Forgiven of all Past --Present and Future Sins -----Sin no longer has a tightened grip on us ----when we do miss the mark we need to know that our Identity is that God sees Christ in us and not the flawed person we once were --we are now Saints in God's eyes -----

Our Identity is that we are Redeemed ---we are now Justified to be in right Standing with God and reconciled back to Him as His Adapted Child ------

Our identity is that we are no longer Foreigners and Strangers in God's House we are fellow citizens of God's Holy household -----

Our Identity is that we are Heirs of God and Co -Heirs of Christ as we have shared in His sufferings and now can share in his Glory -----

Our identity is that we have full access to all Spiritual Blessings and Promises that God has given to His Chosen People -----


Born Again People need to get who they are in Christ and stop calling themselves Sinners and start remembering they are Saints in God's eyes --the Sinner is dead ---the Saint is now alive -----

What is in the Heart the Mouth Speaks -----

“A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of” (Luke 6:45).


You can't be a Saint and A Sinner at the Same time ---your either a Saint in God's eyes or your a Sinner in God's eyes -----

Jesus said your either with me or against me ---there is no inbetween ----your either a Saint or your a Sinner -----

Who do you see when you look in the mirror --?????????????????

-The reflection of your old Sinner Self

Or the reflection of Jesus Christ who is in you and deems you a ----Saint -----
even as you miss the Mark ----

 

Pilgrimshope

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Sep 2, 2020
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#11
If one is a Born Again Christian ---then it is very important to know who you are in Christ who dwells in you ---

Identifying the Changed you ---from Sinner to Saint -----

That is------ How God sees us through His Eyes now that we are ReBorn of the Spirit --------Our Spirit is Holy and we are Heaven ready ------

Our Identify now is ---that we have been set apart by God from this World -----God sees us as His Child not as a child of this world who rebels against His Will ------but a Child who wants to Please Him and conform to His Will for us------

Our identity now is ----God Loves us as His Child --and our Following Him needs to reflect that -----

Our Identity now is ---We are Forgiven of all Past --Present and Future Sins -----Sin no longer has a tightened grip on us ----when we do miss the mark we need to know that our Identity is that God sees Christ in us and not the flawed person we once were --we are now Saints in God's eyes -----

Our Identity is that we are Redeemed ---we are now Justified to be in right Standing with God and reconciled back to Him as His Adapted Child ------

Our identity is that we are no longer Foreigners and Strangers in God's House we are fellow citizens of God's Holy household -----

Our Identity is that we are Heirs of God and Co -Heirs of Christ as we have shared in His sufferings and now can share in his Glory -----

Our identity is that we have full access to all Spiritual Blessings and Promises that God has given to His Chosen People -----


Born Again People need to get who they are in Christ and stop calling themselves Sinners and start remembering they are Saints in God's eyes --the Sinner is dead ---the Saint is now alive -----

What is in the Heart the Mouth Speaks -----

“A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of” (Luke 6:45).


You can't be a Saint and A Sinner at the Same time ---your either a Saint in God's eyes or your a Sinner in God's eyes -----

Jesus said your either with me or against me ---there is no inbetween ----your either a Saint or your a Sinner -----

Who do you see when you look in the mirror --?????????????????

-The reflection of your old Sinner Self

Or the reflection of Jesus Christ who is in you and deems you a ----Saint -----even as you miss the Mark ----

A good read through

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:3, 5-6‬ ‭

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“when you heard about Christ and were taught by him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus.

You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;

to be made new in the attitude of your minds;

and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-24‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die;

but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:12-14‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.

So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:13, 16, 19-21 ‭

Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.

You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Do not lie to each other,

since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

And over all these virtues put on love which binds them all together in perfect unity.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:5-14‬ ‭NIV‬‬
 

Pilgrimshope

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#12

Jesus' words in John 6:45b and John 6:39b
:)
“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

….So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13-14, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Nehemiah6

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#13
Who am I? One flawed individual
And you are willing to ignore everything that God and Christ say about those who have believed on Him? Those who have been saved by grace, are no longer deemed to be "flawed individuals" by God. When He sees us in Christ He sees something else.

So I will add nothing more except that you should go through the NT once again with a fine toothcomb, and make notes about what God and Christ think of you. I mean literally write down what is written, then come back and tell us.
 

homwardbound

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Oct 24, 2012
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#14
And you are willing to ignore everything that God and Christ say about those who have believed on Him? Those who have been saved by grace, are no longer deemed to be "flawed individuals" by God. When He sees us in Christ He sees something else.

So I will add nothing more except that you should go through the NT once again with a fine toothcomb, and make notes about what God and Christ think of you. I mean literally write down what is written, then come back and tell us.
God and me are one, thanks to Son, yet I do not boast, thanks
I am nothing, God is everything. God by God in Son the two as won (One) did, does the saving.
to me there is no more I.
Yes, God by God made me perfect, not by me or anyone else. Pride takes people for a ride, and end up in a ditch. Guilt keeps one out.
God has blessed us in humility, at least for me. Thank you
elated in all things, trust to God, for no one to snatch me out of Gods love and mercy for all.