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What is Catholic? Are Catholics saved? Why do Catholics worship or pray in front of idols if it's against one of God's commandments? Is the Roman Catholic church the church of Jesus? Why do the Pope and others in the Catholic church do not marry and multiply like God commanded? Why do Catholics worship Mary more then God, when Mary is just the mother of God and just an angel?
 
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mmm you should actually do more research from CATHOLIC websites and you would not ask half those questions.... for they are based on alot of untrue statements.

Catholic is a denomination in Christainity.

some Catholics are saved only GOD can really say.

they don't worship idols, why do most Christians pray in front of a cross or have Christmas trees and Easter eggs?

Roman Catholic's think they are the church of Jesus but they think others NOT Catholic and be saved, at least the Catholics I've meet say this.

Have you read the verses about Eunuchs that Jesus spoke about? Or that PAUL did not Marry like the other Apostles?

Catholics do NOT worship Mary more then God, at least none I have meet do.

Mary is no more "just the mother of God" as You are "just the mother of your child" that is just one aspect of her. mmmm lets not go into the angel thing right now. sigh.....

:) so how old is your baby? I love babies :)
 
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On the issue of marriage it's not biblical to say the least, it is imposed to becoming a member of the clergy. (Timothy eg)

As to are they saved?? Only God knows the heart of a worshipper so I don't know.

Icons like they have some power about them was one of luthers criticisms, not so much that there had a cross in the building, but saying that the actual item was endowed with some mystical power is beyond me even.

Mary is only a part of their doctrine, by revelation they state but not biblically based as it's not written but who am I to judge, Mary is called blessed for all ages so I'll honor her as Jesus mother. Now if someone spoke bad about my mother I'd get upset lolz
 
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Matthew 19:12
For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”


eunuchs don't have sex or marry, they made eunuchs by men by castration.
 
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Notice though it doesn't say you have to be a eunuch to serve in office of the "priesthood", instead though it is a pre requisite to abstain from marriage yet not be castrated so it's by no means meaning they are eunuchs in service for God.

1A faithful saying: if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, prudent, of good behaviour, chaste, given to hospitality, a teacher,
3Not given to wine, no striker, but modest, not quarrelsome, not covetous, but
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all chastity.
5But if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?
 
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bishops and deacons and even apostles ( if there are any_ can chose to marry or not marry as the Holy Spirit places in their heart. I was just saying that NOT marrying does not go against Jesus' teaching. Marriage is right and blessing but not a necessity. Marriage should bring rest and peaceful fruit in the heart and spirit.

1 Corinthians 9:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? 6 Or is it only Barnabas and I who have no right to refrain from working?


truthfully I like the whole chapter ;)

Nevertheless we have not used this right, but endure all things lest we hinder the gospel of Christ. 13 Do you not know that those who minister the holy things eat of the things of the temple, and those who serve at the altar partake of the offerings of the altar? 14 Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel.

15 But I have used none of these things, nor have I written these things that it should be done so to me; for it would be better for me to die than that anyone should make my boasting void. 16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for necessity is laid upon me; yes, woe is me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have been entrusted with a stewardship. 18 What is my reward then? That when I preach the gospel, I may present the gospel of Christ without charge, that I may not abuse my authority in the gospel.


19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law,[c] that I might win those who are under the law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God,[d] but under law toward Christ[e]), that I might win those who are without law; 22 to the weak I became as[f] weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.

24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. 25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. 26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
 
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I agree with you Ana however the thread is on catholic practices, in regards to marriage it's stated as church policy they cant, it's forbidden, taboo, no choice to the matter when scripture tells us there is. So if marriage is optionable as per scripture why burden one with having made that decision for them to start with?
That's non biblical put mans insistence laying a burden on them which as shown many ultimately have failed in the most wicked way.

Did you know the rcc introduced the practice to stop cronyism in the church of passing the papacy to those in their family to start with after the reign of harlots as iv been informed but as with anything if it is actually why we may never know for someone will surely come out with a revised version as to why I'm sure.

Still, it's not a pre requisite by scripture to serve that's the point I was making, biblical truth.
 
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What is Catholic? Are Catholics saved? Why do Catholics worship or pray in front of idols if it's against one of God's commandments? Is the Roman Catholic church the church of Jesus? Why do the Pope and others in the Catholic church do not marry and multiply like God commanded? Why do Catholics worship Mary more then God, when Mary is just the mother of God and just an angel?
I would love to answer you in a private message (I'm catholic). I really don't want to post anything in this bible forum because there is way too much opposition here. I can't do it right now though, have to get some zzz's :) I'll message you soon (hope that's ok with you). God bless.

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Roman Catholic's think they are the church of Jesus but they think others NOT Catholic and be saved, at least the Catholics I've meet say this.
hopefully they aren't paying much attention to what the Vatican declares then.

“How many Romish anathemas can you rack up?”
I decided to count the number of anathemas that I am under from the 33 canons on justification. My count is 23 anathemas as I understand the canons. I tried to consider any nuances. Keep in mind that this is only 1 of 25

Oh Anathema, My Anathema

Canon 4.
If anyone says that man’s free will moved and aroused by God, by assenting to God’s call and action, in no way cooperates toward disposing and preparing itself to obtain the grace of justification, that it cannot refuse its assent if it wishes, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive, let him be anathema.
Canon 6.
If anyone says that it is not in man’s power to make his ways evil, but that the works that are evil as well as those that are good God produces, not permissively only but also propria et per se, so that the treason of Judas is no less His own proper work than the vocation of St. Paul, let him be anathema.
Canon 7.
If anyone says that all works done before justification, in whatever manner they may be done, are truly sins, or merit the hatred of God; that the more earnestly one strives to dispose himself for grace, the more grievously he sins, let him be anathema.
Canon 9.
If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.
Canon 11.
If anyone says that men are justified either by the sole imputation of the justice of Christ or by the sole remission of sins, to the exclusion of the grace and the charity which is poured forth in their hearts by the Holy Ghost, and remains in them, or also that the grace by which we are justified is only the good will of God, let him be anathema.
Canon 12.
If anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, let him be anathema.
Canon 13.
If anyone says that in order to obtain the remission of sins it is necessary for every man to believe with certainty and without any hesitation arising from his own weakness and indisposition that his sins are forgiven him, let him be anathema.
Canon 14.
If anyone says that man is absolved from his sins and justified because he firmly believes that he is absolved and justified, or that no one is truly justified except him who believes himself justified, and that by this faith alone absolution and justification are effected, let him be anathema.
Canon 15.
If anyone says that a man who is born again and justified is bound ex fide to believe that he is certainly in the number of the predestined, let him be anathema.
Canon 17.
If anyone says that the grace of justification is shared by those only who are predestined to life, but that all others who are called are called indeed but receive not grace, as if they are by divine power predestined to evil, let him be anathema.
Canon 18.
If anyone says that the commandments of God are, even for one that is justified and constituted in grace, impossible to observe, let him be anathema.
Canon 19.
If anyone says that nothing besides faith is commanded in the Gospel, that other things are indifferent, neither commanded nor forbidden, but free; or that the ten commandments in no way pertain to Christians, let him be anathema.
Canon 20.
If anyone says that a man who is justified and however perfect is not bound to observe the commandments of God and the Church, but only to believe, as if the Gospel were a bare and absolute promise of eternal life without the condition of observing the commandments, let him be anathema.
Canon 23.
If anyone says that a man once justified can sin no more, nor lose grace, and that therefore he that falls and sins was never truly justified; or on the contrary, that he can during his whole life avoid all sins, even those that are venial, except by a special privilege from God, as the Church holds in regard to the Blessed Virgin, let him be anathema.
Canon 24.
If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema.
Canon 25.
If anyone says that in every good work the just man sins at least venially, or, what is more intolerable, mortally, and hence merits eternal punishment, and that he is not damned for this reason only, because God does not impute these works into damnation, let him be anathema.
Canon 26.
If anyone says that the just ought not for the good works done in God to expect and hope for an eternal reward from God through His mercy and the merit of Jesus Christ, if by doing well and by keeping the divine commandments they persevere to the end, let him be anathema.
Canon 27.
If anyone says that there is no mortal sin except that of unbelief, or that grace once received is not lost through any other sin however grievous and enormous except by that of unbelief, let him be anathema.
Canon 29.
If anyone says that he who has fallen after baptism cannot by the grace of God rise again, or that he can indeed recover again the lost justice but by faith alone without the sacrament of penance, contrary to what the holy Roman and Universal Church, instructed by Christ the Lord and His Apostles, has hitherto professed, observed and taught, let him be anathema.
Canon 30.
If anyone says that after the reception of the grace of justification the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotted out to every repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be discharged either in this world or in purgatory before the gates of heaven can be opened,[132] let him be anathema.
Canon 31.
If anyone says that the one justified sins when he performs good works with a view to an eternal reward, let him be anathema.
Canon 32.
If anyone says that the good works of the one justified are in such manner the gifts of God that they are not also the good merits of him justified; or that the one justified by the good works that he performs by the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose living member he is, does not truly merit an increase of grace, eternal life, and in case he dies in grace, the attainment of eternal life itself and also an increase of glory, let him be anathema.
Canon 33.
If anyone says that the Catholic doctrine of justification as set forth by the holy council in the present decree, derogates in some respect from the glory of God or the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ, and does not rather illustrate the truth of our faith and no less the glory of God and of Christ Jesus, let him be anathema.

Council of Trent | Protestant | Anathema | Justification
 
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mmm you should actually do more research from CATHOLIC websites and you would not ask half those questions.... for they are based on alot of untrue statements.

Catholic is a denomination in Christainity.

some Catholics are saved only GOD can really say.

they don't worship idols, why do most Christians pray in front of a cross or have Christmas trees and Easter eggs?

Roman Catholic's think they are the church of Jesus but they think others NOT Catholic and be saved, at least the Catholics I've meet say this.

Have you read the verses about Eunuchs that Jesus spoke about? Or that PAUL did not Marry like the other Apostles?

Catholics do NOT worship Mary more then God, at least none I have meet do.

Mary is no more "just the mother of God" as You are "just the mother of your child" that is just one aspect of her. mmmm lets not go into the angel thing right now. sigh.....

:) so how old is your baby? I love babies :)

From any teaching I heard Paul was married. I know lots of Catholics 99% do worship Mary over God, they say she is their intercessor to God. Mary did not die on a cross for us. Mary was the mother of God, called blessed and so are we blessed. She's no better than any other human. Christmas trees and Easter eggs as most Americans who born and raised by Godly or some what Godly parents, even unbelievers, the tree is part of celebrating Gods birth and the eggs still celebrating the resurrection of God.

I live where most of the people are Catholic, some very nice good people, some not<smile>, lots of Mary statues over here. Haven't seen Christmas trees or eggs hanging on their walls or standing very prominent in their yard or at the church to declare who they worship. They say they are Catholic.

As far as idols I we could list TV, the computer, ourselves, the list goes on. Angels are angels. People are people. People don't turn into angles after death.

The priest thing we all should know we are the priest of God and we go to no man on earth to get to God. If the priest did marry they wouldn't be raping all the kids in church.

The person asked very good questions.
 
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I'd like to have a Catholic explain CCC Paragraph 841 to me.

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841 is in my signature, highlighted in blue, but I have pasted it here as well.

"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."(CCC 841)
John 14:6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

1 John 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Who do you trust?
 
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I'd like to have a Catholic explain CCC Paragraph 841 to me.

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841 is in my signature, highlighted in blue, but I have pasted it here as well.

"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."(CCC 841)
John 14:6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

1 John 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Who do you trust?
Hi Jimmy.

The key word is PLAN. "God's plan of salvation..."
Notice that it does not simply say "Salvation includes those who..."
The vatican isn't saying that they are saved, but they are saying that God's plan INCLUDES their salvation (it does not provide their salvation) so we have to actively reach out to them and stop thinking of them as our enemy.
 
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Hi Jimmy.

The key word is PLAN. "God's plan of salvation..."
Notice that it does not simply say "Salvation includes those who..." The vatican isn't saying that they are saved, but they are saying that God's plan INCLUDES their salvation (it does not provide their salvation) so we have to actively reach out to them and stop thinking of them as our enemy.
Sounds good to me, but I'm curious how you would deal with the latter half of the statement which is in obvious contradiction to scripture.

"these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day"

Seems rather unavaoidable.
John 14:6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
1 John 2:
23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.


 
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Sounds good to me, but I'm curious how you would deal with the latter half of the statement which is in obvious contradiction to scripture.

"these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day"

Seems rather unavaoidable.
John 14:6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
1 John 2:
23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.


Its actually true, the muslims also believe in the God of Abraham (our God, the God of Isreal). They are adoring the right God (except the radical muslim terrorists maybe) just like the Jews are. It does not say they will go to heaven or be saved. It only says that they adore the right God and those who are muslim on the last day (the post-tribulation rapture, a.k.a. Judgment Day) will be adoring the right God, but it doesn't say they will be saved.

The vatican is once again trying to improve relations with the muslims because there have been tensions and wars with the muslims and the catholic church since the crusades when the pope's armies fought to regain Jerusalem and the Holy Land back from the muslims. Yes, I know the church became corrupt and evil and began killing other christians during the crusades, but the original task was to recapture the Holy Land, and it was at the urgent request of the Byzantine Emperor at the time.
 
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" It only says that they adore the right God.... will be adoring the right God"

1 John 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.


Do they accept or deny the Son?

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Please note, I am not in objection to trying to alleviate tempered relations with Muslims. I am however, in objection to compromising scripture to try and make an "acceptable Gospel".
 
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I shold add this:

The quran states that muslims worhip the same God as jews and christians (sura 29:46). But the problem is that the muslims believe that Jews and Christians have corrupted the scriptures.
 
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" It only says that they adore the right God.... will be adoring the right God"

1 John 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.


Do they accept or deny the Son?

EDIT:
Please note, I am not in objection to trying to alleviate tempered relations with Muslims. I am however, in objection to compromising scripture to try and make an "acceptable Gospel".
Yes, they deny Jesus. It doesn't say that they are saved. It only says they worship the right God.
 
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If you deny the Son, do you have the father?


"No one who denies the Son has the Father"
 
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I'd like to have a Catholic explain CCC Paragraph 841 to me.

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841 is in my signature, highlighted in blue, but I have pasted it here as well.

"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."(CCC 841)
John 14:6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

1 John 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Who do you trust?
You do a study of the bible God is with G. Demon gods are a g. Because their history is our history. Who had a child out of wed lock and made those people a blood line with the Jews? Allah is a demon god not God. Jesus gets one to God. Allah gets one to Satan. Who do they say Jesus is?
 
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If you deny the Son, do you have the father?


"No one who denies the Son has the Father"
No, they're not saved. The vatican/cathechism does not say that they are saved. They only want catholics to realize that they are not our mortal enemies.