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UH...WHAT?
i hope you are a jew-lover.
what are you talking about EG?
if i called you that (which i didn't): isn't that a GOOD THING?
Well you did. and i asked you to show where I ever said it. and you never responded back. why do you think I am reposting stuff I have said and trying to get you to respond.
why is it a good thing? it was not said in a good way, it was said in a sarcastic way. thats why i jumped in and asked you to defend your comment.
no, i said you have a mixture of doctrines, many of which are from Scofield.
you say you haven't relied on the notes, i believe you.
but that entire eschatology (and soteriology for jews) is from those guys.
No it is not zone, this is just crazy talk. And what good is this going to do? I believe your belief comes from Catholicism. Does that help our conversation any by saying where your beliefe comes from? It does not help us at all.
Many dispensations believe that in each dispensation there was a different way God dealt with mankind. You had to obey this way in order to be saved. They also believe that during the 7 years reign. Israel falls under law. and this is how they are saved (the same way they were saved before Christ) I have read all these books and all these authors and reject them as false. This is what your fighting. And I will fight it right along side you. But this is NOT WHAT I BELIEVE.
Adam was saved the same way I was (faith) as was Noah, Abraham, Moses, All the prophets. All the apostles. and every man woman and child who will ever spend eternity with me.
Dispensationalism for me is like a history book. When I read history. it is ALWAYS broken down in sections. how things have changed, so you can better understand what is going on. The difference between world history and biblical history is it does not stop there. God always prophesied future events. This is the ONLY ASPECT WE DIFFER. I see a 1007 year period where you do not.
SALVATION OF ANY PERSON IS NEVER IN QUESTION. That is why this argument is quite frankly stupid. Yet some people seem to think I am evil because I believe in a 1007 literal future event. And you do not.
Yet I have been told that many times.i never said you reject Jesus as King.
His spiritual kingdom began the moment he rose from the dead. All people who are born into his family have him as king. His earthly kingdom has not happened yet. This is when he will be king over every man woman and child who ever lives (whether they accept him as king is a different story)i said you deny He is King NOW.
and that His Kingdom began with the fullfilment of Daniel 9.
No one is doing any sacrifice of any type in the millennial kingdom. I have no clue where you got this from. I have never heard it. The only future sacrifice I know of is when the temple is rebuilt, and the jews (still in rejection and sin) start sacrifice all over again. When this temple is abominated by the man of sin who claims to be the true messiah. It is at this time that hopefully Israel listens to the warning. and runs to the mountain. Where God promises to protect them. God uses this to show them they have been in error. And opens their eyes to truth. This is WHEN THEY FINALLY REPENT. and Romans 11 is fulfilled (as well as Daniel 9)as for sacrificial rites in the temple: you tell me what's going on in the millennium then. can't really get a clear answer on this.
i'm "told" that every single day here.
Sounds like we have alot in common. So instead of fighting. why the heck don't we try to find out what the other truly believes?? I can see you taking those things personal. why can't you see me taking them personal?i'm told that because i know the Apostolic era gifts ceased as per paul's letter, and with the canon - that i SAY GOD IS DEAD. cool huh?
i'm told that because i see God has been building His church since Pentecost (both jew and gentile) that i hold to REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. stupid, huh?
i'm told that since i believe what the bible says about Mystery Babylon the Great being Jerusalem, and that when i point out the religion in Israel today is BABYLONIAN TALMUDISM and is antichrist and blasphemous i AM ANTISEMITIC. standard.
because i cry STOP KILLING ARABS (including christian arabs) in the Name of Moses/Jesus!, i am a jew-hater who secretly rubs my hands with glee hoping Iran will wipe israel off the map....standard fare for any who question world events.
because i say LOOK! LOOK AT THESE NOAHIDE LAWS that are growing, i'm told they are Biblical and we have misunderstood Paul this whole time: we ARE to listen to the judaizers. or that its folly to even care. don;t bring it up. antisemitic.
i'm told that because i see Rev 20 as a vision of The Reigning Christ in Heaven, and that it is an InterAdvental period i am ignorant, teaching doctrines of devils, satan, a dog, what else?
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No i don't. Because when it comes to SALVATION THERE IS NO DISTINCTION.you believe in a distinction between israel and the church that DOES NOT EXIST.
what we are discussing (my point of view) has nothing to do with salvation. It has everything to do with Gods promises and his prophesies concerning different people groups on earth.
You know what I believe yet you continually say I believe things I don't. Now tell me zone, how would you take this comment? Be honest with yourself.i know what you believe!
i read all your posts.
if I kept telling you you believe point A and B, yet you do not. and Then I said I know what you believe, I would be a liar. because I have no clue what you believe!
I am listening to what I have been taught you believe. and I believe you believe it no matter how many times you cry out you do not believe in those things.
as I have studied amillenialism for years. The only new thing you have brought to the table is the noahide laws and the talmud. and you have not convinced me that this is babylon. Other than that. every argument you have made I have studied over and over and over, and I can not agree with you, any more than I could when other people made them (through books or word of mouth or watching a video)and i have studied dispensational (even your variety) for years.
and why do I believe this Zone?i know you don't see Daniel 9 fulfilled. i know you believe the Kingdom is Postponed.
i know you believe God has an outstanding Land Promise to the children of israel.
by the way. God does not have an outstanding land promise. he has an ETERNAL PROMISE. Huge difference!
See there you go again. You just proved you do not know what I believe. If my eschatology has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SALVATION OF ANYONE. How the heck can it be slanted as per the Gospel?? (I am actually laughing right now. which is good, But I am amazed after all I have said you think any of my believe has anything to do with the Gospel of Christ. I started out asking you all how a person was saved in all the time periods. To prove I do not believe this way. I even showed you in a document where you showed scofield believed this way he was in error. And why you still think I believe this way is just amazing!!i don't know EVERYTHING you believe since we haven't talked long enough.
i know you know the Gospel.
but your eschatology is dispensationally slanted/tainted.
if you get mad about me saying that, then its you taking personally something that doesn't have anything to do with us personally: we need to understand what Bible says, and i thought we were working to do that.
DANIEL 9 IS FULFILLED.
I hope we are.
Daniel 9 can't be fulfilled. In order for me to make it fulfilled. I have to twist and turn it and misinterpret it to mean something it was never intended to mean.
No. What you have shown is why you think it has been fulfilled. Your personal opinion and the opinions of many who believe like you. But you have not proven to me it has been fulfilled. Opinion does not always equal truth.yes i have shown it.
you will not accept it.
anyone who is reading this:
See. Alot of opinion. Not based on truth.PLEASE CLICK QUICK REPLY -WAS Daniel 9 fulfilled by Christ AT THE FIRST ADVENT, yes or no
the passage DOES NOT SAY ANYONE MADE A COVENANT AFTER THE TEMPLE WAS DESTROYED.
text is written in paragraphs.
just because section C follows section B does not mean C follows B in the real-time sequence of events.
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
And is a literary device.
it is starting a NEW THOUGHT, it doesn't mean AND THEN, as in next in sequence.
the above is about JESUS!
the consummation is just like the first night in the marital bed - the couple could have been married already for any length of time, but that marriage was NOT CONSUMMATED.
1 week = seven years. In the middle of the week. he is talking about the same week. You have to separate the week out to say he was not talking about the same. I can't do that. Anymore than I can take one verse in john 6 whichsays unless we eat the flesh and blood to mean the eucharistic sacrifice of the catholic mass. Context does not allow me to do it.
I don't say, I am going to allow you to do this for one week. Then in the middle of the week I will do that. And then under some magical formula, I was not talking about the same week. it just DOES NOT HAPPEN.
The consumation poured out on the desolate? Who is the desolate Zone? Is this not talking about the wrath of God and great tribulation? Where God pours out his wrath on the desolate. Did Not even Christ say that unless the son of man does not intervine no flesh would live?? Could mankind wipe itself off the face of the earth in titus time? WHy would God have to intervine before we all kill ourselves if it COULD NOT HAPPEN??
The consumation has nothing to do with the marraige. It has everything to do with "that determined which is poured out on the desolate"