Amillennialism

[eternally-gratefull]

UH...WHAT?
i hope you are a jew-lover.
what are you talking about EG?

if i called you that (which i didn't): isn't that a GOOD THING?

Well you did. and i asked you to show where I ever said it. and you never responded back. why do you think I am reposting stuff I have said and trying to get you to respond.

why is it a good thing? it was not said in a good way, it was said in a sarcastic way. thats why i jumped in and asked you to defend your comment.

no, i said you have a mixture of doctrines, many of which are from Scofield.
you say you haven't relied on the notes, i believe you.

but that entire eschatology (and soteriology for jews) is from those guys.

No it is not zone, this is just crazy talk. And what good is this going to do? I believe your belief comes from Catholicism. Does that help our conversation any by saying where your beliefe comes from? It does not help us at all.

Many dispensations believe that in each dispensation there was a different way God dealt with mankind. You had to obey this way in order to be saved. They also believe that during the 7 years reign. Israel falls under law. and this is how they are saved (the same way they were saved before Christ) I have read all these books and all these authors and reject them as false. This is what your fighting. And I will fight it right along side you. But this is NOT WHAT I BELIEVE.

Adam was saved the same way I was (faith) as was Noah, Abraham, Moses, All the prophets. All the apostles. and every man woman and child who will ever spend eternity with me.

Dispensationalism for me is like a history book. When I read history. it is ALWAYS broken down in sections. how things have changed, so you can better understand what is going on. The difference between world history and biblical history is it does not stop there. God always prophesied future events. This is the ONLY ASPECT WE DIFFER. I see a 1007 year period where you do not.

SALVATION OF ANY PERSON IS NEVER IN QUESTION. That is why this argument is quite frankly stupid. Yet some people seem to think I am evil because I believe in a 1007 literal future event. And you do not.

i never said you reject Jesus as King.

Yet I have been told that many times.

i said you deny He is King NOW.
and that His Kingdom began with the fullfilment of Daniel 9.

His spiritual kingdom began the moment he rose from the dead. All people who are born into his family have him as king. His earthly kingdom has not happened yet. This is when he will be king over every man woman and child who ever lives (whether they accept him as king is a different story)

as for sacrificial rites in the temple: you tell me what's going on in the millennium then. can't really get a clear answer on this.

No one is doing any sacrifice of any type in the millennial kingdom. I have no clue where you got this from. I have never heard it. The only future sacrifice I know of is when the temple is rebuilt, and the jews (still in rejection and sin) start sacrifice all over again. When this temple is abominated by the man of sin who claims to be the true messiah. It is at this time that hopefully Israel listens to the warning. and runs to the mountain. Where God promises to protect them. God uses this to show them they have been in error. And opens their eyes to truth. This is WHEN THEY FINALLY REPENT. and Romans 11 is fulfilled (as well as Daniel 9)

i'm "told" that every single day here.

i'm told that because i know the Apostolic era gifts ceased as per paul's letter, and with the canon - that i SAY GOD IS DEAD. cool huh?

i'm told that because i see God has been building His church since Pentecost (both jew and gentile) that i hold to REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. stupid, huh?

i'm told that since i believe what the bible says about Mystery Babylon the Great being Jerusalem, and that when i point out the religion in Israel today is BABYLONIAN TALMUDISM and is antichrist and blasphemous i AM ANTISEMITIC. standard.

because i cry STOP KILLING ARABS (including christian arabs) in the Name of Moses/Jesus!, i am a jew-hater who secretly rubs my hands with glee hoping Iran will wipe israel off the map....standard fare for any who question world events.

because i say LOOK! LOOK AT THESE NOAHIDE LAWS that are growing, i'm told they are Biblical and we have misunderstood Paul this whole time: we ARE to listen to the judaizers. or that its folly to even care. don;t bring it up. antisemitic.

i'm told that because i see Rev 20 as a vision of The Reigning Christ in Heaven, and that it is an InterAdvental period i am ignorant, teaching doctrines of devils, satan, a dog, what else?

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Sounds like we have alot in common. So instead of fighting. why the heck don't we try to find out what the other truly believes?? I can see you taking those things personal. why can't you see me taking them personal?

you believe in a distinction between israel and the church that DOES NOT EXIST.

No i don't. Because when it comes to SALVATION THERE IS NO DISTINCTION.

what we are discussing (my point of view) has nothing to do with salvation. It has everything to do with Gods promises and his prophesies concerning different people groups on earth.

i know what you believe!
i read all your posts.

You know what I believe yet you continually say I believe things I don't. Now tell me zone, how would you take this comment? Be honest with yourself.

if I kept telling you you believe point A and B, yet you do not. and Then I said I know what you believe, I would be a liar. because I have no clue what you believe!
I am listening to what I have been taught you believe. and I believe you believe it no matter how many times you cry out you do not believe in those things.

and i have studied dispensational (even your variety) for years.

as I have studied amillenialism for years. The only new thing you have brought to the table is the noahide laws and the talmud. and you have not convinced me that this is babylon. Other than that. every argument you have made I have studied over and over and over, and I can not agree with you, any more than I could when other people made them (through books or word of mouth or watching a video)

i know you don't see Daniel 9 fulfilled. i know you believe the Kingdom is Postponed.
i know you believe God has an outstanding Land Promise to the children of israel.

and why do I believe this Zone?

by the way. God does not have an outstanding land promise. he has an ETERNAL PROMISE. Huge difference!

i don't know EVERYTHING you believe since we haven't talked long enough.

i know you know the Gospel.
but your eschatology is dispensationally slanted/tainted.

See there you go again. You just proved you do not know what I believe. If my eschatology has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SALVATION OF ANYONE. How the heck can it be slanted as per the Gospel?? (I am actually laughing right now. which is good, But I am amazed after all I have said you think any of my believe has anything to do with the Gospel of Christ. I started out asking you all how a person was saved in all the time periods. To prove I do not believe this way. I even showed you in a document where you showed scofield believed this way he was in error. And why you still think I believe this way is just amazing!!

if you get mad about me saying that, then its you taking personally something that doesn't have anything to do with us personally: we need to understand what Bible says, and i thought we were working to do that.

DANIEL 9 IS FULFILLED.

I hope we are.

Daniel 9 can't be fulfilled. In order for me to make it fulfilled. I have to twist and turn it and misinterpret it to mean something it was never intended to mean.

yes i have shown it.
you will not accept it.

No. What you have shown is why you think it has been fulfilled. Your personal opinion and the opinions of many who believe like you. But you have not proven to me it has been fulfilled. Opinion does not always equal truth.

anyone who is reading this:

PLEASE CLICK QUICK REPLY -WAS Daniel 9 fulfilled by Christ AT THE FIRST ADVENT, yes or no



the passage DOES NOT SAY ANYONE MADE A COVENANT AFTER THE TEMPLE WAS DESTROYED.

text is written in paragraphs.

just because section C follows section B does not mean C follows B in the real-time sequence of events.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

And is a literary device.
it is starting a NEW THOUGHT, it doesn't mean AND THEN, as in next in sequence.

the above is about JESUS!

the consummation is just like the first night in the marital bed - the couple could have been married already for any length of time, but that marriage was NOT CONSUMMATED.

See. Alot of opinion. Not based on truth.

1 week = seven years. In the middle of the week. he is talking about the same week. You have to separate the week out to say he was not talking about the same. I can't do that. Anymore than I can take one verse in john 6 whichsays unless we eat the flesh and blood to mean the eucharistic sacrifice of the catholic mass. Context does not allow me to do it.

I don't say, I am going to allow you to do this for one week. Then in the middle of the week I will do that. And then under some magical formula, I was not talking about the same week. it just DOES NOT HAPPEN.

The consumation poured out on the desolate? Who is the desolate Zone? Is this not talking about the wrath of God and great tribulation? Where God pours out his wrath on the desolate. Did Not even Christ say that unless the son of man does not intervine no flesh would live?? Could mankind wipe itself off the face of the earth in titus time? WHy would God have to intervine before we all kill ourselves if it COULD NOT HAPPEN??

The consumation has nothing to do with the marraige. It has everything to do with "that determined which is poured out on the desolate"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG - if Daniel 9 isn't fulfilled YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HEAVEN IF YOU DIE TOMORROW!

Why not? Daniel 9 was not about me. IT WAS ABOUT DANIELS PEOPLE!!

Daniel 9Daniel’s Prayer for the People

1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the lineage of the Medes, who was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans— 2 in the first year of his reign I, Daniel, understood by the books the number of the years specified by the word of the LORD through Jeremiah the prophet, that He would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

Here is the CONTEXT ZONE. The 70 year punishment spoken of in Jeremiah was at its end. Daniel KNEW THIS!!


3 Then I set my face toward the Lord God to make request by prayer and supplications, with fasting, sackcloth, and ashes. 4 And I prayed to the LORD my God, and made confession, and said, “O Lord, great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and mercy with those who love Him, and with those who keep His commandments, 5WE have sinned and committed iniquity, WE have done wickedly and rebelled, even by departing from Your precepts and Your judgments. 6 Neither have WE heeded Your servants the prophets, who spoke in Your name to our kings and our princes, to our fathers and all the people of the land. 7 O Lord, righteousness belongs to You, but to US shame of face, as it is this day—to the MEN OF JUDAH, to the INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM and ALL ISREAL, those near and those far off in all the countries to which You have driven them, because of the unfaithfulness which they have committed against You.
8 “O Lord, to US belongs shame of face, to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, because WE have sinned against You. 9 To the Lord our God belong mercy and forgiveness, though WE have rebelled against Him. 10WE have not obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in His laws, which He set before us by His servants the prophets. 11 Yes, ALL ISRAEL has transgress your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on US , because WE have sinned against Him. 12 And He has confirmed His words, which He spoke against us and against our judges who judged us, by bringing upon us a great disaster; for under the whole heaven such has never been done as what has been done to Jerusalem.
13 “As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon US; yet WE have not made our prayer before the LORD our God, that WE might turn from our iniquities and understand Your truth. 14 Therefore the LORD has kept the disaster in mind, and brought it upon us; for the LORD our God is righteous in all the works which He does, though WE have not obeyed His voice. 15 And now, O Lord our God, who brought Your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and made Yourself a name, as it is this day—WE have sinned, WE have done wickedly!
16 “O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. 17 Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”

Where do WE have anything to do with ME Zone?

I was not promised a name
I was not promised a city
I was not promised a country
I was not given a law that said I will be driven from my land and my sanctuary destroyed if I do not heed the law of moses.

So why is my salvation in jeopardy if danile 9 was not fulfilled? DANIEL IS PRAYING FOR HIS PEOPLE. NOT ABOUT THE WORLD. AND HE IS NOT PRAYING ABOUT THE SALVATION OF ANYONE.

Was Daniel in Sin zone? Did he reject the law? did he disobay Gods commands? Yet daniel said WE.. Why?? He was talking about HIS NATION.

WHY WOULD THE WORD CHURCH COME UP?

What is the church? The church is jew and gentile right? The body of Christ and ALL WHO ARE SAVED. Was Daniel praying for the world? Was he praying for his salvation? For the salvation of the gentiles who had taken him hostage? Or any other gentiles in the world??

if he was, he was praying about the church. If not, he was praying about HIS PEOPLE.

THE COVENANT ( ekklesia) PEOPLE RECEIVED THE PROMISE FROM THE COVENANTS THAT PRECEEDED, NAMELY ABRAHAM (actuall right from the Garden): Jesus Christ the Redeemer, the Promised SEED (singular).

God fulfilled everything He promised, in Christ....FOR THE JEWS! and then the gentiles.

This is salvation. I am not discussing salvation. Salvation is NOT CONTEXT.

and they dwelt in The Land at peace (under Joshua 25, David and Solomon).
if they accept Christ, THEY HAVE BEEN UNITED AS ONE UNDER THE ONLY KING THEY'LL EVER HAVE.

The promise was forever. Daniel understood this. As did Paul. That is WHY HE SEPARATED JEW FROM GENTILE IN ROMANS !!, when he said in ALL OTHER chapters they are ONE in christ.

Daniel didn't live to see the fulfillment, BUT WE READ OF IT IN THE 4 GOSPELS.

No. What I read in the 4 gospels is that Daniels people are still under sin and disbelief. The very thing Daniel prayed for is still happening. It has not stopped.

if you are Christ's you are robed in everlasting Righteousness - HIS!
if you are Christ's He mas made a full end of sins - BY FAITH
if you are Christ's you have entered eternal peace and rest.

AMEN!

But this has nothing to do with Daniel 9. or Gods promises to the children of Abraham Issac and jacob. or dispensationalism. or ammillenialism. or any other doctrine.

This is because of the promised redeemer.

the CHURCH is believing remnant israel FIRST - gentiles grafted in. THE CHURCH - ONE PEOPLE (jew and gentile....jew first....then gentile: DONE)

The church did not exist before pentecost. So have no clue what your saying.

Daniel was told about THAT GREAT PROMISE THE HEBREWS HAD BEEN PUTTING THEIR FAITH IN SINCE ABRAM.

No, Daniel was praying for his people. who were at the end of the 70 year punishment as prophesied by Jeremiah. And daniel knew it. So he prayed for mercy on his people, his land, and Gods temple.

the return from babylon to Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple WAS FOR ONE PURPOSE - FOR CHRIST TO COME AND DO WHAT HE DID.

This did not have to happen for Christ to return. He did not need a temple. or the partial return of Israel for this to happen.

FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS AND CLOSE UP THE OLD COVENANT (which included the prouncement of the Covenant Curses on unbelieving israel) AND CONFIRM AND ESTABLISH THE NEW.

The old covenant never saved anyone. Christ fulfilled the moral aspect of the Old covenant and what it stood for. He did not take away the land and promise of blessing aspect of this covenant (lev 26) Israel was promised these things LONG BEFORE CHRIST CAME. they could not have been given these promises if Christ was a prerequisite.

His rejection by some was not a surprise to God, no need for A PLAN B GENTILE CHURCH in a parenthetical "Church Age".

I have no clue what your talking about here. The OT prophesied the gentiles would be saved also. The churhc was offered to Isreal (to be in charge and be Gods representative) they rejected it. so it was given to the gentiles. And is still in gentile hands today.

Paul made it clear the CHURCH of both jew and gentile was planned from THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. not a PLAN B...not a surprise.

I agree. But we are not talking about salvation here. YOU ARE< BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO SEE WHAT I BELIEVE>

MANY DID RECEIVE HIM!
and repented! they were the disciples and apostles - jews!

but it is not their sudden ability to stop or pay for their own sin that makes and end of sin!

Daniel was not talking about induviduals. He was praying for his nation. Thus this comment does not have a thing to do with Daniel. why do you keep saying it does?

Was daniel in sin? Was he not obaying the mosaic law? did not God bless him because of this? He was NOT talking about induviduals zone. Your trying to force him to. but you can't. CONTEXT DOES NOT ALLOW IT

IT WAS THE LAMB OF GOD ABRAHAM WAS SHOWN, THE RAM IN THE THICKET.

He took away the sins of all who believe. HE WAS THE PROMISE!

Yep. we agree. so whats your point?

if some don't believie, and so their sin remains.....ARE YOU REVERSING OR NULLIFYING HIS FINISHED WORK?

If I was talking about salvation. You would probably be right. BUT I AM NOT> WHY DO YOU MAKE THIS A SALVIC ISSUE> ITS NOT. NEVER WAS!!

on what ground?

EG: one the fatal errors the jews made was to believe that they had access to merit in and of themselves because of the Patriarchs. they held to misguided belief in a national favour and forgiveness UNTO SALVATION, and most never did understand John the Baptist calling them OUTSIDE THE CAMP, away from the temple system, to repent and prepare for the King, the Lamb, the NEW COVENANT.

Yep I agree. again what is your point??? did the OLD covenant save ANYONE???

if you are propping up some non-existent wall of partition between jews and gentiles that Jesus tore down, how can we communicate?

As long as your making it a salvation issue (like SOME dispensationalists do) We can't. because we are not even on the same page! And you have utterly no clue what it is I believe and this is why we can't discuss this issue!

 

[Red33]

Amillennialism is deception and false doctrine and should be avoided by the believer at all cost.

 

[Strangelove]

His earthly kingdom has not happened yet. This is when he will be king over every man woman and child who ever lives (whether they accept him as king is a different story)

So there will be people who reject Him when the 'millenial' thing starts?

I thought you say satan will be bound and there will be no deception of any kind?

Plus....does Jesus or the apostles ever talk of this strange Earthly kingdom you speak of? where do they talk of 2 different kingdoms?

Anywhere in the NT?

I cant find anything but I found this:

(John 18:36) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

 

[Strangelove]

No one is doing any sacrifice of any type in the millennial kingdom. I have no clue where you got this from. I have never heard it. The only future sacrifice I know of is when the temple is rebuilt, and the jews (still in rejection and sin) start sacrifice all over again. When this temple is abominated by the man of sin who claims to be the true messiah. It is at this time that hopefully Israel listens to the warning. and runs to the mountain. Where God promises to protect them. God uses this to show them they have been in error. And opens their eyes to truth. This is WHEN THEY FINALLY REPENT. and Romans 11 is fulfilled (as well as Daniel 9)

What a lovely story.

Unfortunately its total fiction. What was the reason why 'Israel' repents? I didnt see a reason. What warning?

And WHO is Israel?

 

[Strangelove]

No i don't. Because when it comes to SALVATION THERE IS NO DISTINCTION.

what we are discussing (my point of view) has nothing to do with salvation. It has everything to do with Gods promises and his prophesies concerning different people groups on earth.

It has everything to do with the building of a worldwide communist police state and the murder of Christians.

There are no 'people groups' with whom God has promised anything.

(Galatians 3:26) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

(Galatians 3:28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

(Colossians 3:11) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

But you wanna erect division walls again. Shame. Your kinda attempting to UNDO what Christ did.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What a lovely story.

Unfortunately its total fiction. What was the reason why 'Israel' repents? I didnt see a reason. What warning?

And WHO is Israel?

Your argument is with God not me.

why don't you ask him who isreal is. He knows. I don't need to know. It does not concern me, never did. never will

Oh thats right. You have no desire to find out what I believe.

Enough said. Live in blindness of what I believe, and think your right.

 

[Strangelove]

See there you go again. You just proved you do not know what I believe. If my eschatology has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SALVATION OF ANYONE. How the heck can it be slanted as per the Gospel?? (I am actually laughing right now. which is good, But I am amazed after all I have said you think any of my believe has anything to do with the Gospel of Christ. I started out asking you all how a person was saved in all the time periods. To prove I do not believe this way. I even showed you in a document where you showed scofield believed this way he was in error. And why you still think I believe this way is just amazing!!

The thing is....you are dangerously close to HAGEE et al who believe the 'jews' are gonna get saved no matter what.

Any jewish person listening to you would be quite indifferent about coming to Jesus NOW cuz they got this Plan B salvation coming to them.

Its a salvation issue bud.

I'm so glad I didnt meet anyone like you when I first became interested in Jesus.

 

[Strangelove]

Your argument is with God not me.

why don't you ask him who isreal is. He knows. I don't need to know. It does not concern me, never did. never will

Oh thats right. You have no desire to find out what I believe.

Enough said. Live in blindness of what I believe, and think your right.

So if you dount know who Israel is...how do you know the prophecies concerning them havn't already been fulfilled?

 

[Strangelove]

1 week = seven years. In the middle of the week. he is talking about the same week. You have to separate the week out to say he was not talking about the same. I can't do that. Anymore than I can take one verse in john 6 whichsays unless we eat the flesh and blood to mean the eucharistic sacrifice of the catholic mass. Context does not allow me to do it.

I don't say, I am going to allow you to do this for one week. Then in the middle of the week I will do that. And then under some magical formula, I was not talking about the same week. it just DOES NOT HAPPEN.

LOLZ! Vut you have no problem seperating the 69th week thousands of years from the 70th?

Your too much man.

 

[Strangelove]

Where do WE have anything to do with ME Zone?

I was not promised a name
I was not promised a city
I was not promised a country
I was not given a law that said I will be driven from my land and my sanctuary destroyed if I do not heed the law of moses.

So why is my salvation in jeopardy if danile 9 was not fulfilled? DANIEL IS PRAYING FOR HIS PEOPLE. NOT ABOUT THE WORLD. AND HE IS NOT PRAYING ABOUT THE SALVATION OF ANYONE.

Was Daniel in Sin zone? Did he reject the law? did he disobay Gods commands? Yet daniel said WE.. Why?? He was talking about HIS NATION.

Huh?

This has nothing to do with you?

to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[Red33]

Amellennialist are unreasonable.

2Thes 3:1-5 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course , and be glorified , even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ (in the good ole rapture of the saints).

I remember a time when I was backslidden and a good friend told me that when you are backslidden you can't be sure or have that assurance that your saved. I know he meant well, but I said to this friend that God has a way through the Holy Spirit to let you know who you belong to, even when you are backslidden, because it was His precious blood that purchased you and bought you with a price when you believed. That was part of the promise of God that promised to never leaving me or forsaking me and continued His work of righteousness in me.

God is a jealous God and when He called us out of the world, He set us apart from the world and we belong to Him and not the world. He has also called us to be separated from the great tribulation that is coming upon the earth to deal with the world of unbelief, because we have been redeemed and purchased from this time of great tribulation to be caught up with Him in the clouds of the air and to be where He is forever. All those that believe contrary to this are deceived away from the truth and living in their own conceit.

 

[Strangelove]

This is salvation. I am not discussing salvation. Salvation is NOT CONTEXT.

You dont want it to be coz that could mean you are horribly horribly WRONG in the worst possible way.

And you are.

 

[Strangelove]

No. What I read in the 4 gospels is that Daniels people are still under sin and disbelief. The very thing Daniel prayed for is still happening. It has not stopped.

How do you know? You dont even know who Daniels people are!

Are Daniels people anyone who calls themselves a jew?

Hey! Maybe you can convert to judaism and guarantee yourself salvation by jewish prophecy!

Salvation by jewish prophecy. I'll make the T-shirt!

 

[Strangelove]

the CHURCH is believing remnant israel FIRST - gentiles grafted in. THE CHURCH - ONE PEOPLE (jew and gentile....jew first....then gentile: DONE)

The church did not exist before pentecost. So have no clue what your saying.

HUH?

Shes saying we are ALL IN ALL in Christ Jesus.

Whats with the spin hombre?

 

[Strangelove]

Amillennialism is deception and false doctrine and should be avoided by the believer at all cost.

It just makes so much sense though Red. It's beautiful.

 

[Red33]

It just makes so much sense though Red. It's beautiful.

And avoiding people like you does also, and that's the right thing to do.

'slams the door'

 

[Strangelove]

Amellennialist are unreasonable.

2Thes 3:1-5 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course , and be glorified , even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ (in the good ole rapture of the saints).

I remember a time when I was backslidden and a good friend told me that when you are backslidden you can't be sure or have that assurance that your saved. I know he meant well, but I said to this friend that God has a way through the Holy Spirit to let you know who you belong to, even when you are backslidden, because it was His precious blood that purchased you and bought you with a price when you believed. That was part of the promise of God that promised to never leaving me or forsaking me and continued His work of righteousness in me.

God is a jealous God and when He called us out of the world, He set us apart from the world and we belong to Him and not the world. He has also called us to be separated from the great tribulation that is coming upon the earth to deal with the world of unbelief, because we have been redeemed and purchased from this time of great tribulation to be caught up with Him in the clouds of the air and to be where He is forever. All those that believe contrary to this are deceived away from the truth and living in their own conceit.

(Revelation 2:10) Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

(John 16:33) These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

(Romans 8:35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Are you ready Red?

I am.

If I'm deceived....I'll get ruptured before I have tribulations.

If you are deceived......your professed faith in Christ is gonna EVAPORATE.

 

[NoahsMom]

WOW.............

 

[Strangelove]

And avoiding people like you does also, and that's the right thing to do.

'slams the door'

**puts foot in door**

Hey Red!

Prides a KILLER!