IF the Spirit Dwells In You...
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If you read the Baptism of Jesus The Spirit of God came upon HIM and remained
John chapter verse 32
Mathew 3:16
Mark 1:10
Luke 3:22
All say upon The Holy Spirit did not need to come into Jesus for salvation as HE does for us. Jesus had an eternal Spirit that has always been. Jesus, because of the flesh, 100% relied on the Holy Spirit, willfully emptied himself, and did nothing of HIS own but what the Holy Spirit gave HIM.
John chapter verse 32
Mathew 3:16
Mark 1:10
Luke 3:22
All say upon The Holy Spirit did not need to come into Jesus for salvation as HE does for us. Jesus had an eternal Spirit that has always been. Jesus, because of the flesh, 100% relied on the Holy Spirit, willfully emptied himself, and did nothing of HIS own but what the Holy Spirit gave HIM.
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● John 3:34 . . . God's spirit is upon him without measure or limit.
FAQ: The Bible says God's spirit is everywhere at all times (Ps 139:7-10)
How is it possible for something so large and so expansive to fit into the
limited space afforded by a human body?
REPLY: I seriously doubt John 3:34 is speaking of dimensions. It's far more
likely a reference to Isa 11:1-2, i.e. full-on divine capabilities, e.g. wisdom,
understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and reverence.
* Speaking of reverence and might:
God has given His son a number of sheep to tend.
● John 10:29 . . My sheep . . my Father gave them to me
Jesus' Father expects His son to be conscientious about the sheep's safety.
● John 6:39 . .This is the will of the One who sent me: that I should not lose
anything of what He gave me.
Jesus never fails to give the One what He wants.
● John 4:34 . . My food is to do the will of the One who sent me.
● John 8:29 . . I always do what is pleasing to Him.
Now the thing is: were Jesus to lose even one of the sheep that his Father
entrusted to his care-- just one --then Jesus would not be able to say that
he "always" pleases the One who sent him. He could say that he pleases the
One most of the time, but certainly not always without fail.
People are actually casting a nay vote in regard to Jesus' competence when
they insist it's possible for him to lose some of the sheep that his Father
gave him. I would be inclined to agree with the skeptics were the shepherd
only human; however the Bible teaches that Christ is not only human, but
also a theophany (John 1:1-3 & John 1:14) viz: he's the divine architect
responsible for constructing the entire cosmos with all of its forms of life,
matter, and energy. So then, the good shepherd has all the powers and
abilities of the supreme being at his disposal to insure he succeeds at
keeping the sheep right where his Father wants them kept.
● John 10:9 . . I am the door; whoever enters through me shall be saved.
Were Christ only human; then he wouldn't dare say "shall be saved" no,
he'd have to tone it down a bit and say "shall be safer". That would leave
him some room for error. But when Christ says "shall be saved" he's
claiming a 0.0% failure rate. That's how confident Christ is that he will lose
nothing of those that the One gave him.
FAQ: Why can't the sheep change their minds about following Christ and
leave him to follow someone else?
REPLY: Animal husbandry isn't democratic, on the contrary: it's quite despotic.
The thing is: a rancher's free will trumps his herd's free will; and the
rancher's brand burned into the animals' skins indelibly identify him as their
owner. So be advised: once someone makes the decision to unify with
Christ, they relinquish whatever sovereignty they had as a beast at large,
viz: they become Christ's property, and there's no going back because Jesus
and his Father play for keeps.
● John 10:28-29 . . No one can take them out of my hand-- my Father, who
has given them to me, is greater than all; and no one can take them out of
the Father’s hand. I and my Father stand together.
● 1Cor 6:19-20 . .You are not your own; you were bought at a price.
● Eph 1:13 . . In him you also-- who have heard the word of truth, the
gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him --were sealed with the
promised Holy Spirit.
_
● John 3:34 . . . God's spirit is upon him without measure or limit.
FAQ: The Bible says God's spirit is everywhere at all times (Ps 139:7-10)
How is it possible for something so large and so expansive to fit into the
limited space afforded by a human body?
REPLY: I seriously doubt John 3:34 is speaking of dimensions. It's far more
likely a reference to Isa 11:1-2, i.e. full-on divine capabilities, e.g. wisdom,
understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and reverence.
* Speaking of reverence and might:
God has given His son a number of sheep to tend.
● John 10:29 . . My sheep . . my Father gave them to me
Jesus' Father expects His son to be conscientious about the sheep's safety.
● John 6:39 . .This is the will of the One who sent me: that I should not lose
anything of what He gave me.
Jesus never fails to give the One what He wants.
● John 4:34 . . My food is to do the will of the One who sent me.
● John 8:29 . . I always do what is pleasing to Him.
Now the thing is: were Jesus to lose even one of the sheep that his Father
entrusted to his care-- just one --then Jesus would not be able to say that
he "always" pleases the One who sent him. He could say that he pleases the
One most of the time, but certainly not always without fail.
People are actually casting a nay vote in regard to Jesus' competence when
they insist it's possible for him to lose some of the sheep that his Father
gave him. I would be inclined to agree with the skeptics were the shepherd
only human; however the Bible teaches that Christ is not only human, but
also a theophany (John 1:1-3 & John 1:14) viz: he's the divine architect
responsible for constructing the entire cosmos with all of its forms of life,
matter, and energy. So then, the good shepherd has all the powers and
abilities of the supreme being at his disposal to insure he succeeds at
keeping the sheep right where his Father wants them kept.
● John 10:9 . . I am the door; whoever enters through me shall be saved.
Were Christ only human; then he wouldn't dare say "shall be saved" no,
he'd have to tone it down a bit and say "shall be safer". That would leave
him some room for error. But when Christ says "shall be saved" he's
claiming a 0.0% failure rate. That's how confident Christ is that he will lose
nothing of those that the One gave him.
FAQ: Why can't the sheep change their minds about following Christ and
leave him to follow someone else?
REPLY: Animal husbandry isn't democratic, on the contrary: it's quite despotic.
The thing is: a rancher's free will trumps his herd's free will; and the
rancher's brand burned into the animals' skins indelibly identify him as their
owner. So be advised: once someone makes the decision to unify with
Christ, they relinquish whatever sovereignty they had as a beast at large,
viz: they become Christ's property, and there's no going back because Jesus
and his Father play for keeps.
● John 10:28-29 . . No one can take them out of my hand-- my Father, who
has given them to me, is greater than all; and no one can take them out of
the Father’s hand. I and my Father stand together.
● 1Cor 6:19-20 . .You are not your own; you were bought at a price.
● Eph 1:13 . . In him you also-- who have heard the word of truth, the
gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him --were sealed with the
promised Holy Spirit.
_
You are wrong. And misunderstanding what Jesus is saying causes people to believe as you do that there are "two application of the Spirit for the believer that are not the same but from the same Holy Spirit." When in fact there is only one as revealed and confirmed in scripture.
Jesus makes it clear that the Holy Ghost was present in Him. But the Holy Ghost would come to dwell inside of the apostles and be with them forever. "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" (John 14:16)
He goes on to elaborate, "Even the Spirit of truth; ...ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:17)
Jesus makes it clear that the Holy Ghost was present in Him. But the Holy Ghost would come to dwell inside of the apostles and be with them forever. "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" (John 14:16)
He goes on to elaborate, "Even the Spirit of truth; ...ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:17)
Shake your head all you want. You were shown that in scripture.
Can God come upon a person and then leave, yes or no? If the answer is yes to all, why are you "SMH" that God has the ability to be in a person yet not having empowered them to be His witness, as Jesus said?
- Is God everywhere, yes or no?
- Can God be near yes or no?
- Can God be far from someone, yes or No?
Can God come upon a person and then leave, yes or no? If the answer is yes to all, why are you "SMH" that God has the ability to be in a person yet not having empowered them to be His witness, as Jesus said?
Our discussion centered around when a person actually receives the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost associated with the NT rebirth. What you believe Jesus meant in John 14 is not accurate. And therefore, distorts perception of the truth. You may want to consider taking another look at what the scripture actually says.
There's no need to go around in circles. But thanks for the discussion.
There's no need to go around in circles. But thanks for the discussion.