Christian Nationalist Movement in the United States

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Nehemiah6

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Here's a liberal perspective on the Christian Nationalist movement currently...
"Liberals" (call them Communists) use the term "Christian Nationalist" as equivalent to "White Supremacist". They hate Christian values, and white supremacists are a thing of the past. Today we have black supremacists.
I have a friend who is a devout conservative Catholic, and he says Biden is a "pseudo-Catholic."
He is a Communistic atheist. His Catholicism is just a veneer.
I'm not sure how much Harris is rooted as a Baptist anymore, and her rhetoric is tied more to humanism and socialism than Christianity.
Here's another atheist. Just because some attended or attend a "Baptist" church for political purposes does not make them Christian. Her Pastor Brown is an anti-American radical. That is not what Baptists do:
"Less well known, however, is Brown’s history of radical, anti-American remarks that have elicited blowback even from San Francisco Democrats, including former House speaker Nancy Pelosi.
At a memorial service for victims of the 9/11 terror attacks held just six days after al Qaeda murdered nearly 3,000 Americans, Brown used the occasion to point the finger at the United States in remarks that, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, "set a lot of people’s teeth on edge" and "left politicians stunned."
"America, is there anything you did to set up this climate?" Brown asked the audience. "Ohhhh—America, what did you do?"
"America, what did you do two weeks ago when I stood at the world conference on racism, when you wouldn't show up?" Brown continued, referring to his participation in the United Nations World Conference Against Racism, which the United States and Israel boycotted citing concerns about anti-Semitism.
Brown’s diatribe jarred a mostly liberal audience, the Chronicle reported, noting that the late California senator Dianne Feinstein (D.) and former California governor Gray Davis (D.) left during his remarks."
-- Daily Signal

And the Communism of Harris is a lot more that mere humanism or Socialism. She has supported Biden all the way.
 

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Again it seems "communist" just means "anyone who I disagree with". :LOL:
 

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"Christian Nationalism" is a bogus creation of the Democrats. CBS news has admitted this indirectly: So what does Garrett [with CBS] want his viewers to know so far? Wallnau [a Christian leader who supports Trump] is a “Christian nationalist,” a term the left made up to try to tie people who believe in Jesus and love their country to white nationalism.

Go to Western Journal for the full report. This is just like the Russian Collusion Hoax (now being revived for Kamala by the DOJ), and calling Trump Hitler, a white supremacist, a racists, a fascist etc. All lies mean to be inflammatory. This led to the assassination attempt on Trump. And Dem Rep Cory Booker wants to "kill" all MAGA Republicans. That is probably not just a figure of speech.
 

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"Christian Nationalism" is a bogus creation of the Democrats. CBS news has admitted this indirectly: So what does Garrett [with CBS] want his viewers to know so far? Wallnau [a Christian leader who supports Trump] is a “Christian nationalist,” a term the left made up to try to tie people who believe in Jesus and love their country to white nationalism.

Go to Western Journal for the full report. This is just like the Russian Collusion Hoax (now being revived for Kamala by the DOJ), and calling Trump Hitler, a white supremacist, a racists, a fascist etc. All lies mean to be inflammatory. This led to the assassination attempt on Trump. And Dem Rep Cory Booker wants to "kill" all MAGA Republicans. That is probably not just a figure of speech.
They need someone to blame when the collapse hits. No one is buying KKK, and no one is buying 75 million Americans. But "Christian nationalists", that is a scape goat that almost all Americans can hate. No one knows what this is, a nebulous term, but you can be sure anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is the only way to God will be lumped in with this term.
 

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They need someone to blame when the collapse hits. No one is buying KKK, and no one is buying 75 million Americans. But "Christian nationalists", that is a scape goat that almost all Americans can hate. No one knows what this is, a nebulous term, but you can be sure anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is the only way to God will be lumped in with this term.
Yep ... and when the world comes after the maga christian nationalists, they're coming after ALL of us. Guilty by association. Let the tribulation begin!
 

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There's one myth more than any other that enables Christian nationalism to flourish; that's the idea that the US was founded as a Christian nation and should be run by Christians only. If you start from that point you can justify a lot by claiming Christian nationalism only wants to take the US back to what the founders intended. But this is ridiculous and has 0 merit. The only way Christian nationalists can make the US a Christian nation, run only by Christians, is to shred the Constitution and put an end to democracy; and that's exactly what they want to do. People should know and understand this, it's very important.

MAGA and Christian nationalism only has a minority of hardcore members who really know what this movement is all about. If it were only them, no problem really. But there's a larger majority of Trump's disciples who are clueless or have convinced themselves this isn't really true. That's the scary part.

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"Christian Nationalism" is a bogus creation of the Democrats. CBS news has admitted this indirectly: So what does Garrett [with CBS] want his viewers to know so far? Wallnau [a Christian leader who supports Trump] is a “Christian nationalist,” a term the left made up to try to tie people who believe in Jesus and love their country to white nationalism.

Go to Western Journal for the full report. This is just like the Russian Collusion Hoax (now being revived for Kamala by the DOJ), and calling Trump Hitler, a white supremacist, a racists, a fascist etc. All lies mean to be inflammatory. This led to the assassination attempt on Trump. And Dem Rep Cory Booker wants to "kill" all MAGA Republicans. That is probably not just a figure of speech.
Below I posted the definition and description from the encyclopedia Britannica, with a link to the source.

It seems like you would agree with the definition and at least 1-3 things in the description based on your post. Is it just the term "Christian nationalist" that you disagree with? What would you prefer someone call you and others that fit this definition and description?


From the encyclopedia Britannica


"Christian nationalism, ideology that seeks to create or maintain a legal fusion of Christian religion with a nation’s character. Advocates of Christian nationalism consider their view of Christianity to be an integral part of their country’s identity and want the government to promote—or even enforce—the religion’s position within it."



Description

Given the diversity of Christian beliefs worldwide, it comes as no surprise that there is no established set of beliefs among Christian nationalists as to the extent to which the state should support Christianity. The Christian nationalist vision varies not only by country—an American Christian nationalist, for example, will likely not desire a state church, whereas an English Christian nationalist might—but often by individual. Among the government policies a Christian nationalist might desire are the display of Christian symbols on public property, the dedication of time for prayer in public schools, government funding for religious institutions, a Christian interpretation of history in public-school curricula, the outlawing of abortion, restrictions on non-Christian immigration, and the policing of what some Christians consider to be immoral behaviour, which almost always includes the suppression of LGBTQ+ people. Regardless of the policy, the goal is to privilege Christianity in the public square.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christian-nationalism
 

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Among the government policies a Christian nationalist might desire are the display of Christian symbols on public property
Wow, I'm a little stunned a Christian wrote this post. Just for fun...

As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments tablets are engraved on each lower portion of each door. As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall right above where the Supreme Court judges sit a display of the Ten Commandments!

There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.

Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher...whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.

Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.

The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, "Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."

America was founded on Christian principles. We follow Judeo/Christian law. Yes there is religious freedom, but America was founded on Christianity. Read the Mayflower Compact.


 

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Below I posted the definition and description from the encyclopedia Britannica, with a link to the source.

It seems like you would agree with the definition and at least 1-3 things in the description based on your post. Is it just the term "Christian nationalist" that you disagree with? What would you prefer someone call you and others that fit this definition and description?


From the encyclopedia Britannica


"Christian nationalism, ideology that seeks to create or maintain a legal fusion of Christian religion with a nation’s character. Advocates of Christian nationalism consider their view of Christianity to be an integral part of their country’s identity and want the government to promote—or even enforce—the religion’s position within it."



Description

Given the diversity of Christian beliefs worldwide, it comes as no surprise that there is no established set of beliefs among Christian nationalists as to the extent to which the state should support Christianity. The Christian nationalist vision varies not only by country—an American Christian nationalist, for example, will likely not desire a state church, whereas an English Christian nationalist might—but often by individual. Among the government policies a Christian nationalist might desire are the display of Christian symbols on public property, the dedication of time for prayer in public schools, government funding for religious institutions, a Christian interpretation of history in public-school curricula, the outlawing of abortion, restrictions on non-Christian immigration, and the policing of what some Christians consider to be immoral behaviour, which almost always includes the suppression of LGBTQ+ people. Regardless of the policy, the goal is to privilege Christianity in the public square.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christian-nationalism
Oh, so it is Islam but in the cloak of Christianity.
 

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It'll be interesting to see how the Trump/Vance campaign handles this.

Recently, fired former Fox News host Tucker Carlson gave an interview to Darryl Cooper, a blatant neo-Nazi, anti-Semite, and Holocaust denier, which has caused a lot of backlash from a wide variety of groups.

The problem for the Trump campaign is that Vance and Donald Jr are scheduled to appear with Carlson on some sort of tour later this month. And apparently Vance has already recorded an interview with Carlson and it's set to be released soon. This has caused the conservative Wall St. Journal to call for Trump to disavow Tucker Carlson and cancel all upcoming appearances, interviews, etc. with him.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-trump-must-disavow-tucker-carlson/ar-AA1qkNTE

Donald Trump faces a defining choice: Will he allow his running mate, JD Vance, and his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., to appear on tour with Tucker Carlson later this month? In the wake of Mr. Carlson’s recent interview with Darryl Cooper, an unabashed Holocaust denier, this is a decision that Mr. Trump can’t duck.​
Mr. Cooper has said that the Nazis “launched a war where they were completely unprepared to deal with the millions and millions of prisoners of war, of local political prisoners. They went in with no plan for that and just threw these people into camps.” As a result, “millions of people ended up dead there.” Savor the phrase “ended up dead there.” Whoops. The Holocaust was a terrible accident, the consequence of poor planning—this from the man whom Mr. Carlson said may be “the best and most honest popular historian in the United States.”​
Dani Dayan, chairman of Yad Vashem, the World Holocaust Remembrance Center, responded with the unadorned truth: “Tucker Carlson and his guest Darryl Cooper engaged in one of the most repugnant forms of Holocaust denial of recent years. These far-fetched conspiracy theories are not only dangerous and malevolent, they are antisemitic.”​
The Republican vice-presidential nominee, by contrast, contented itself with this statement from a spokesman: Mr. Vance “doesn’t believe in guilt-by-association cancel culture but he obviously does not share the views of the guest interviewed by Tucker Carlson.” Translation: Mr. Vance won’t utter a word of rebuke to Mr. Carlson, and he rejects the claim that Mr. Carlson shares the views of the “honest” popular historian to whom he gave a platform to spread his views.​
Not so fast, Mr. Vance. Did your staff happen to tell you that while Mr. Carlson acknowledged that people could take issue with Mr. Cooper’s factual claims, he went on to say that “they’re certainly consistent with what I think I know to be true”? It is hard to discern any daylight between Mr. Carlson and his guest. There certainly is little distance between Mr. Carlson and Mr. Vance.​
This isn’t a one-day media flap. It goes to the heart of what the Republican Party has become under the rule of Mr. Trump.​
This brings us back to Donald, the only person left on the right who can put an end to this madness. He can denounce Mr. Carlson. He can tell his running mate and his son not to appear on Mr. Carlson’s tour. By reaffirming the truth about the Holocaust and World War II, he can draw a bright line between what’s acceptable and what isn’t. If he doesn’t do this, he will prove that he isn’t strong enough to stand up to the blatant antisemitism in his own party.
 

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"Christian nationalism, ideology that seeks to create or maintain a legal fusion of Christian religion with a nation’s character. Advocates of Christian nationalism consider their view of Christianity to be an integral part of their country’s identity and want the government to promote—or even enforce—the religion’s position within it." From Britannica
In response to this, let me say this: First of all the term "Christian Nationalist" is being used by American Leftists to slam Christians who simply refuse to accept Communism in America and will therefore vote for Trump and good governance. So here is the CORRECT definition, not the slanted definition of Britannica:
"What is Christian nationalism?
There is no clean and tidy definition of Christian nationalism since it is not a formal religious denomination or sect with a stated doctrine of beliefs; nor is there any single person or council leading Christian nationalism that oversees followers.

Generally, religious scholars, sociologists and others who study Christian nationalism describe it as a belief that the United States is a country defined by Christianity. In practice, this means:
  • The government should take steps to keep the country’s Christian roots and identity intact.
  • The government should advocate Christian values and pass laws and enact policies that reflect those values.
  • The separation of church and state is not a formal law that should be followed.
  • God’s plan is for the U.S. to be a successful nation based in Christian ideals.
https://www.freedomforum.org/what-is-christian-nationalism/

Is the United States defined by Christianity? It most certainly is. The Pledge of Allegiance says "One nation under God indivisible, with liberty and justice for all", the song "God Bless America", the slogan "In God We Trust" on American currency, taking solemn oaths on the Bible, the mention of the Creator in the Declaration of Independence, the mention of "Blessings" (which can only come from God) in the Constitution, as well as justice, tranquility, and the common welfare, all speak of a Christian foundation.

Can any sane person - whether Christian or not -- object to any of the stated objectives of Christian Nationalism as shown above (and properly defined). No. Only rabid Communists and Christian haters.
 

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In response to this, let me say this: First of all the term "Christian Nationalist" is being used by American Leftists to slam Christians who simply refuse to accept Communism in America and will therefore vote for Trump and good governance. So here is the CORRECT definition, not the slanted definition of Britannica:
"What is Christian nationalism?
There is no clean and tidy definition of Christian nationalism since it is not a formal religious denomination or sect with a stated doctrine of beliefs; nor is there any single person or council leading Christian nationalism that oversees followers.

Generally, religious scholars, sociologists and others who study Christian nationalism describe it as a belief that the United States is a country defined by Christianity. In practice, this means:
  • The government should take steps to keep the country’s Christian roots and identity intact.
  • The government should advocate Christian values and pass laws and enact policies that reflect those values.
  • The separation of church and state is not a formal law that should be followed.
  • God’s plan is for the U.S. to be a successful nation based in Christian ideals.
https://www.freedomforum.org/what-is-christian-nationalism/

Is the United States defined by Christianity? It most certainly is. The Pledge of Allegiance says "One nation under God indivisible, with liberty and justice for all", the song "God Bless America", the slogan "In God We Trust" on American currency, taking solemn oaths on the Bible, the mention of the Creator in the Declaration of Independence, the mention of "Blessings" (which can only come from God) in the Constitution, as well as justice, tranquility, and the common welfare, all speak of a Christian foundation.

Can any sane person - whether Christian or not -- object to any of the stated objectives of Christian Nationalism as shown above (and properly defined). No. Only rabid Communists and Christian haters.

I would agree with that definition. I honestly don't think it's that different from the encyclopedia Britannica one but we can discard that one and use yours.

It's important to understand the context in which we formed as a nation. We were in nation of Protestants that were escaping the king's rule and came here to practice our Protestant religions/Denominations and some new Christian sects that were developing at that time giving birth to our strong Christian roots and Christian symbolism in government.

In that context, the king considered the many Protestant denominations to spring up in the wake of the Reformation to not be Christian because they left the state church.

In that context we were accepting of all religions at that time and we grew to accept more than just abrahamic religions.

it is a logical fallacy known as the "Good old days logical fallacy" to believe that just because a system was started for one group of people, that system must be only for that for that one group presently.

So stating that just because it was started for mainly Christian religions, that it's now still must be for mainly Christian religions now, is a false conclusion.
 

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So stating that just because it was started for mainly Christian religions, that it's now still must be for mainly Christian religions now, is a false conclusion.
That is not even being suggested. No one is suggesting that. But you have carefully dodged this statement below, which is at the heart of the matter:

"Is the United States defined by Christianity? It most certainly is. The Pledge of Allegiance says "One nation under God indivisible, with liberty and justice for all", the song "God Bless America", the slogan "In God We Trust" on American currency, taking solemn oaths on the Bible, the mention of the Creator in the Declaration of Independence, the mention of "Blessings" (which can only come from God) in the Constitution, as well as justice, tranquility, and the common welfare, all speak of a Christian foundation."

If the foundation of a nation is a Christian foundation and someone does not like that, they can go and live where their beliefs prevail.

Also Franklin Graham has come right out and said that the Left is using the term "Christian Nationalist" to attack Christians and incite hatred. And the Democrats are also falsely calling conservatives racist, sexist, homophobic "deplorables" (Pelosi) to create more and more hatred. There are no lines which the Left will not cross to hold on to illegitimate power.
 

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That is not even being suggested. No one is suggesting that. But you have carefully dodged this statement below, which is at the heart of the matter:

"Is the United States defined by Christianity? It most certainly is. The Pledge of Allegiance says "One nation under God indivisible, with liberty and justice for all", the song "God Bless America", the slogan "In God We Trust" on American currency, taking solemn oaths on the Bible, the mention of the Creator in the Declaration of Independence, the mention of "Blessings" (which can only come from God) in the Constitution, as well as justice, tranquility, and the common welfare, all speak of a Christian foundation."

If the foundation of a nation is a Christian foundation and someone does not like that, they can go and live where their beliefs prevail.

Also Franklin Graham has come right out and said that the Left is using the term "Christian Nationalist" to attack Christians and incite hatred. And the Democrats are also falsely calling conservatives racist, sexist, homophobic "deplorables" (Pelosi) to create more and more hatred. There are no lines which the Left will not cross to hold on to illegitimate power.

I know you're not going to change your mind. However I did explain my position by stating that swearing on the Bible and mentions of God in our documents are remnants from the past showing us our Christian Roots, does not mean those roots define who we are as a country today as you are insisting. As I stated that is the " Good old days" logical fallacy


And The mention of God in the pledge of allegiance was added in the 50's here is a link to the original pledge.
https://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

In God we trust was added to our currency into 50s as well.

These additions were added during the Red Scare. American people during that time and currently do not necessarily agree with this. It was done by the government to distinguish America from Soviet Russia.

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There are those that'd rather steer us toward a Marxist Nationalist Movement.