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I see nothing in the chapter to think otherwise. Paul mentions there are many languages in the world and those present may or may not know it. If there is no-one there who knows what is said and there is no interpreter, then one should keep quiet and speak silently to God for He alone knows all the languages and is the only One who can understand.
AGAIN... That was written to the early church.
Written at a time when the gifts were supposed to be still active!
It would be like reading a manual for a car model that was written for the days when engines were
all carburated (no fuel injection yet) and explaining the benefits of properly adjusting a carburetor!
But now? The days of carburation have ceased.
Written at a time when the gifts were supposed to be still active!
It would be like reading a manual for a car model that was written for the days when engines were
all carburated (no fuel injection yet) and explaining the benefits of properly adjusting a carburetor!
But now? The days of carburation have ceased.
LOL, I really don't think you understand Authorial intent. Paul wrote that Letter as the Holy Spirit gave him. I can see you know nothing about cars. There are Cars on the road right now that are from the 40's and 50's. FYI, sin is still sin as it was then, and the Power of the Holy Spirit still does what HE did from the beginning. You Postmodern theologians love to revise the word of GOD.
Nor have I ever said anything of the sort... in all my years of being here .
Speaking of which, whatever happened to that Roger guy you used to argue with about this issue?
Come to think of it, I have not seen him for some time .
Speaking of which, whatever happened to that Roger guy you used to argue with about this issue?
Come to think of it, I have not seen him for some time .
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You got to look elsewhere for that.
For the Bible works as one connected thought.
Here's an example of how your plea is empty...
Has your right eye ever offended you?
Where does it say you should not literally pluck out that eye?
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For the Bible works as one connected thought.
Here's an example of how your plea is empty...
Has your right eye ever offended you?
Where does it say you should not literally pluck out that eye?
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You mean like your opinion none have ended?
Jesus said not me
Acts 1:8
But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be [a]witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
That from our Lord means then , yesterday, and today until He Comes the Power is still here for all.
No, you don't have to put many verses together like Kamala Harris's Word Salad. CONTEXT. anyone are take a verse from there and from here to make the word of God say what ever they want.
Here is your issue,
It was the Lord Jesus who Breathed on the Apostles in the Gospel of John chapter 20:22
it was Jesus who said God and wait until you have been endured with Power
it was Jesus who said you Shall receive power after the Holy Sp[irit comes upon you Acts 1:8
it is 1cor chapters 12 through 14, which are contextually Unit chapters on the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, how they are to be used, and correction when using them in error.
Nothing in the context of the text in relationship with the "Church then, yesterday, or today says the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today or stopped. If you state,
"you have to put many verses together and come and reason."
Then get to work, put them together, and make your case with the word of GOD. Until you do that
Your narrative is false.
Here is your issue,
- Bad Hermeneutics
- lacking in Authorial intent
- failure to use Parallel scriptures in context
- The authority of Jesus is in the word of God whenever HE speaks.
It was the Lord Jesus who Breathed on the Apostles in the Gospel of John chapter 20:22
it was Jesus who said God and wait until you have been endured with Power
it was Jesus who said you Shall receive power after the Holy Sp[irit comes upon you Acts 1:8
it is 1cor chapters 12 through 14, which are contextually Unit chapters on the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, how they are to be used, and correction when using them in error.
Nothing in the context of the text in relationship with the "Church then, yesterday, or today says the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today or stopped. If you state,
"you have to put many verses together and come and reason."
Then get to work, put them together, and make your case with the word of GOD. Until you do that
Your narrative is false.
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell
where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” John 3:8
You can hear me. Yes... But like the wind, you can not figure out where I am coming from, nor where I am going.
Still can't figure it out? Think!
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You have a very easy system of debating.
I have noticed that quite often don't get something.
You keep ignoring that what was said was to mean something.
Then you keep pushing your desired point as if the other had nothing valid to say.
It's as form of either rudeness or inadequate spiritual perspicacity. Maybe both.
I have noticed that quite often don't get something.
You keep ignoring that what was said was to mean something.
Then you keep pushing your desired point as if the other had nothing valid to say.
It's as form of either rudeness or inadequate spiritual perspicacity. Maybe both.
You still do not understand....
As long as you can carve out your little niche of power?
You don't care.
Gang leaders do that.
Note! Have God's approval.
Not, the approval of your faction that agrees with you.
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As long as you can carve out your little niche of power?
You don't care.
Gang leaders do that.
1 Corinthians 11:18-19
In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church,
In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church,
there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it.
No doubt there have to be factions among you to show which of
you have God’s approval.
Note! Have God's approval.
Not, the approval of your faction that agrees with you.
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1 Corinthians 2:14
New American Standard Bible
But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
James 1:5
New American Standard Bible
But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
One needs to question why some can't discern plainly written scriptures when they are continuously used with their context & related scriptures.
Do they refuse wisdom? Knowledge?
If they can't spiritually discern, It could be because they refuse to do so(rebellion), or they may not have the Spirit.
New American Standard Bible
But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
James 1:5
New American Standard Bible
But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
One needs to question why some can't discern plainly written scriptures when they are continuously used with their context & related scriptures.
Do they refuse wisdom? Knowledge?
If they can't spiritually discern, It could be because they refuse to do so(rebellion), or they may not have the Spirit.
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Not true. You have no basis for your claim. A prophet does not necessarily foretell the future, although he or she may. Prophets are one of the ministry gifts given to the church. You may as well say that there are no pastors or teachers in the church.
I was associated with a prophet for about 30 years. He was controversial, blunt, incredibly insightful and could read people like an open book. He at times seemed to be worst enemy, but also someone who saved my life when no one else could help me.
He upset a lot of people. Truth will do that. When someone was in need, he'd go the second mile. And the third and fourth if necessary. He led a small group when I first met him. I've never met a leader who gave to his flock as he did.
The church lost a gem when he passed away. It's a shame more people did not appreciate him. But that is often the lot of the prophet.
I was associated with a prophet for about 30 years. He was controversial, blunt, incredibly insightful and could read people like an open book. He at times seemed to be worst enemy, but also someone who saved my life when no one else could help me.
He upset a lot of people. Truth will do that. When someone was in need, he'd go the second mile. And the third and fourth if necessary. He led a small group when I first met him. I've never met a leader who gave to his flock as he did.
The church lost a gem when he passed away. It's a shame more people did not appreciate him. But that is often the lot of the prophet.
IF the Holy Spirit has burdened a person to speak in a tongue to a congregation, then He's already lined up an Interpreter to provide the common language interpretation. In many cases it's been me. I've never been burdened to speak in tongues to a congregation, but many times to Interpret. So a person doesn't have to be concerned about there being an Interpreter - WHEN they're actually manifesting the gift of tongues publicly. If they're just spouting gibberish, that's a whole 'nuther story.
Since the Corinthians were an unruly bunch that enjoyed "Showing off their gifts", the likelyhood is that some of the tongues spoken there weren't "Gifted" at all. ANYBODY can pretend to "Speak in tongues" with a little practice, and naturally the Holy Spirit won't "Interpret" something He didn't say. Simple as that.
Tongues are also a form of prayer, and PRAISE, and edifying to the one speaking them in and of themselves.
Since the Corinthians were an unruly bunch that enjoyed "Showing off their gifts", the likelyhood is that some of the tongues spoken there weren't "Gifted" at all. ANYBODY can pretend to "Speak in tongues" with a little practice, and naturally the Holy Spirit won't "Interpret" something He didn't say. Simple as that.
Tongues are also a form of prayer, and PRAISE, and edifying to the one speaking them in and of themselves.
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It's all been said by others from what I can see.
Tongues was for unbelieving Jews as a warning and with the destruction of the Temple, Israel's time was over so no more need for warning. Tongues was not a gift to bless the Church but to warn Israel, Isaiah prophesied the time would come and it did beginning with Pentecost and lasting about 40 years (a nice Biblical number ). As all God's gifts are good, the Church benefited when applied correctly. Unfortunately the Corinthians weren't doing a very good job of application which, is typical of many Churches today who think what they are doing is speaking in another language when all they do is babble. Thankfully for us though, the Corinthians blunder became God's opportunity to educate His bride.
1 Corinthians 14:21
In the law it is written: “With men of other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people; And yet, for all that, they will not hear Me,” says the Lord.
Is.28:11&12
For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.
The perfect is in the neuter gender and the Greek concept of perfect is "complete" or "mature" rather than our concept of "being without flaw", so the completion of scripture fits the understanding far better. Afterall, we will be throwing out the partial when the complete comes so if that is Christ? Which part of of Him do we have and why do we only have part of Him and why would we discard Him even in part?
It is completely illogical that the perfect should be Christ, but words of knowledge or prophecies needed at specific times when the Church was brand new, is far more likely as they would need instruction which, they did not have in writing as we have, on how to walk in this new life we have been given.
Tongues was for unbelieving Jews as a warning and with the destruction of the Temple, Israel's time was over so no more need for warning. Tongues was not a gift to bless the Church but to warn Israel, Isaiah prophesied the time would come and it did beginning with Pentecost and lasting about 40 years (a nice Biblical number
). As all God's gifts are good, the Church benefited when applied correctly. Unfortunately the Corinthians weren't doing a very good job of application which, is typical of many Churches today who think what they are doing is speaking in another language when all they do is babble. Thankfully for us though, the Corinthians blunder became God's opportunity to educate His bride.1 Corinthians 14:21
In the law it is written: “With men of other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people; And yet, for all that, they will not hear Me,” says the Lord.
Is.28:11&12
For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.
The perfect is in the neuter gender and the Greek concept of perfect is "complete" or "mature" rather than our concept of "being without flaw", so the completion of scripture fits the understanding far better. Afterall, we will be throwing out the partial when the complete comes so if that is Christ? Which part of of Him do we have and why do we only have part of Him and why would we discard Him even in part?
It is completely illogical that the perfect should be Christ, but words of knowledge or prophecies needed at specific times when the Church was brand new, is far more likely as they would need instruction which, they did not have in writing as we have, on how to walk in this new life we have been given.
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Has the language ever been identified and your interpretation been verified? Afterall, it's not a hard thing to do today with the Internet. How could I know you are not as deluded as the one speaking in so called tongues?
Unfortunately, you have ignored the purpose of tongues as many do. It was never a gift for prayer or praise but as a warning to Israel.
Unfortunately, you have ignored the purpose of tongues as many do. It was never a gift for prayer or praise but as a warning to Israel.
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It's all been said by others from what I can see.
Tongues was for unbelieving Jews as a warning and with the destruction of the Temple, Israel's time was over so no more need for warning. Tongues was not a gift to bless the Church but to warn Israel, Isaiah prophesied the time would come and it did beginning with Pentecost and lasting about 40 years (a nice Biblical number ). As all God's gifts are good, the Church benefited when applied correctly. Unfortunately the Corinthians weren't doing a very good job of application which, is typical of many Churches today who think what they are doing is speaking in another language when all they do is babble. Thankfully for us though, the Corinthians blunder became God's opportunity to educate His bride.
1 Corinthians 14:21
In the law it is written: “With men of other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people; And yet, for all that, they will not hear Me,” says the Lord.
Is.28:11&12
For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.
The perfect is in the neuter gender and the Greek concept of perfect is "complete" or "mature" rather than our concept of "being without flaw", so the completion of scripture fits the understanding far better. Afterall, we will be throwing out the partial when the complete comes so if that is Christ? Which part of of Him do we have and why do we only have part of Him and why would we discard Him even in part?
It is completely illogical that the perfect should be Christ, but words of knowledge or prophecies needed at specific times when the Church was brand new, is far more likely as they would need instruction which, they did not have in writing as we have, on how to walk in this new life we have been given.
Tongues was for unbelieving Jews as a warning and with the destruction of the Temple, Israel's time was over so no more need for warning. Tongues was not a gift to bless the Church but to warn Israel, Isaiah prophesied the time would come and it did beginning with Pentecost and lasting about 40 years (a nice Biblical number
). As all God's gifts are good, the Church benefited when applied correctly. Unfortunately the Corinthians weren't doing a very good job of application which, is typical of many Churches today who think what they are doing is speaking in another language when all they do is babble. Thankfully for us though, the Corinthians blunder became God's opportunity to educate His bride.1 Corinthians 14:21
In the law it is written: “With men of other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people; And yet, for all that, they will not hear Me,” says the Lord.
Is.28:11&12
For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.
The perfect is in the neuter gender and the Greek concept of perfect is "complete" or "mature" rather than our concept of "being without flaw", so the completion of scripture fits the understanding far better. Afterall, we will be throwing out the partial when the complete comes so if that is Christ? Which part of of Him do we have and why do we only have part of Him and why would we discard Him even in part?
It is completely illogical that the perfect should be Christ, but words of knowledge or prophecies needed at specific times when the Church was brand new, is far more likely as they would need instruction which, they did not have in writing as we have, on how to walk in this new life we have been given.
1 Cor.13:8-10
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
It is not the job of scholars to interpret but that of Holy Spirit.
John 16:12-13 NASB1995
[12] “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. [13] But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.16.12-13.NASB1995
John 16:12-13 NASB1995
[12] “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. [13] But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.16.12-13.NASB1995