Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture
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Umm, I wish to interject here...where did Jesus ever identify those not of THIS flock as Gentiles? What caused you to inject that into the text?
[oJhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
There were many Jews still scattered out into many other nations that were yet to hear the Kingdom Gospel of repentance and water baptism, which is NOT the Gospel of Grace preached by Paul.
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[oJhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
There were many Jews still scattered out into many other nations that were yet to hear the Kingdom Gospel of repentance and water baptism, which is NOT the Gospel of Grace preached by Paul.
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No. What I'm saying is that children generally don't understand Paul's Gospel. Once they DO understand it, THEN they are responsible for how they respond...in faith or unbelief.
The emotions we may feel about little children has no bearing upon reality. There comes a time in different children's lives when they reach the POINT of accountability, not some chronological age. Therein is the reason it has everything to do with what the Lord looks upon, which is the heart. Whatever you may FEEL about your childhood, the reality as to when each child is at the point of accountability is what the Lord looks upon.
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The emotions we may feel about little children has no bearing upon reality. There comes a time in different children's lives when they reach the POINT of accountability, not some chronological age. Therein is the reason it has everything to do with what the Lord looks upon, which is the heart. Whatever you may FEEL about your childhood, the reality as to when each child is at the point of accountability is what the Lord looks upon.
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Peter had been thrust into the new way of the Church age. He was still clinging to some of his training he received as a disciple of Jesus.
Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more
disciples than John— although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples." John 4:1-2
Many fail to realize that the 12 disciples were water baptizing many people in great numbers.
It became an ingrained way of life for them.
So when the Church age leaped upon them? Peter was till conditioned to think in terms of water baptism for new converts.
Jesus had earlier warned Peter. But in his excitement and confusion of all the new things taking place, Peter had it slip his mind
until later when Peter finally recalled the words of Jesus spoken in Acts 1:4-5.
On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command:
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you
have heard me speak about. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you
will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5
For a time Peter totally forgot what Jesus had told him. He continued in the fast paced frenzy going around him
because of all the new and odd things taking place. Peter simply continued to water baptize.
It was only after water baptizing thousands of new converts, did Peter finally recall the words of Jesus found in Acts 1:5..
“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized
with the Holy Spirit.’ So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus
Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?” Acts 11:15-17
After Peter finally remembered we find no more commands to water baptize from Peter...
Yet, many today have been making the same mistake Peter had, as if it were ordained of God to water baptize new believers.
It can not hurt... But, it happened because of Peter's oversight.
Today we must be taught about the importance of the baptism of the Holy,
and the Spirit's function in our lives, in order to mature in Christ.
grace and peace ............
Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more
disciples than John— although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples." John 4:1-2
Many fail to realize that the 12 disciples were water baptizing many people in great numbers.
It became an ingrained way of life for them.
So when the Church age leaped upon them? Peter was till conditioned to think in terms of water baptism for new converts.
Jesus had earlier warned Peter. But in his excitement and confusion of all the new things taking place, Peter had it slip his mind
until later when Peter finally recalled the words of Jesus spoken in Acts 1:4-5.
On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command:
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you
have heard me speak about. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you
will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5
For a time Peter totally forgot what Jesus had told him. He continued in the fast paced frenzy going around him
because of all the new and odd things taking place. Peter simply continued to water baptize.
It was only after water baptizing thousands of new converts, did Peter finally recall the words of Jesus found in Acts 1:5..
“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized
with the Holy Spirit.’ So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus
Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?” Acts 11:15-17
After Peter finally remembered we find no more commands to water baptize from Peter...
Yet, many today have been making the same mistake Peter had, as if it were ordained of God to water baptize new believers.
It can not hurt... But, it happened because of Peter's oversight.
Today we must be taught about the importance of the baptism of the Holy,
and the Spirit's function in our lives, in order to mature in Christ.
grace and peace ............
Well, you're reading a post from one of those who came from a remote area whose ancestry traces directly to those ten tribes, and my family is in Ireland right now, and have not moved back to the homeland since hundreds of years before Christ. So those who had already gone back by the time of Christ, that doesn't at all nullify the fact that most Jews are still scattered throughout the nations to this day.
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At present it's to Israel's advantage that they have been scattered.
For if all Israel could be gathered into one place?
A major atomic attack on that land could guarantee that Satan will not go to the Lake of Fire.
For if all Israel could be annihilated?
Jesus could not keep His promise. His promise to reign on the throne of David over his people the Jews.
He could not become the promised Messiah.
And, if Jesus could be proven a liar?
Satan walks free...
That has been one of the main driving points for the insanity we see with Antisemitism.
Hitler wanted to kill all Jews. Islam does, too.
Such are they who are pawns for Satan's desire to save himself from his sentence to the Lake of Fire.
No Jews to return to, for setting up His Kingdom on Earth?
Satan walks free....
That's why Antisemitism is so irrational and insane.
For if all Israel could be gathered into one place?
A major atomic attack on that land could guarantee that Satan will not go to the Lake of Fire.
For if all Israel could be annihilated?
Jesus could not keep His promise. His promise to reign on the throne of David over his people the Jews.
He could not become the promised Messiah.
And, if Jesus could be proven a liar?
Satan walks free...
That has been one of the main driving points for the insanity we see with Antisemitism.
Hitler wanted to kill all Jews. Islam does, too.
Such are they who are pawns for Satan's desire to save himself from his sentence to the Lake of Fire.
No Jews to return to, for setting up His Kingdom on Earth?
Satan walks free....
That's why Antisemitism is so irrational and insane.
Yes, we were under attack at various points throughout our history there until laws were formulated to keep the populace from acting out from their wicked, evil, murderous desires, very similar to what Esther encountered. Unfortunately, because of our orthodoxy, we did not experience the success of Esther given that the Kingdom Gospel is currently laid aside for now...
Esther 8:17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.
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Esther 8:17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.
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15a~~~ Then Mordecai went out from the presence of the king
in royal robes of blue and white,
and with a large crown of gold,
and a garment of fine linen and purple.
15b~~~And the city of Shushan shouted and rejoiced.
16~~~The Jews had light, and gladness, and joy, and honor.
17a~~~And in every province, and in every city,
wherever the king's commandment and his decree arrived,
there was gladness and joy for the Jews . . .
a feast and a holiday.
17b~~~ And many among the people of the land became Jews . . .
for the fear/respect/awe of the Jews had fallen upon them.
I remember celebrating Purim as a boy.
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Not tricky, the text tells you who will reign with Christ for a thousand years.
And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because
of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the
mark on their foreheads and on their hands; and they came to life and reigned
with Christ for a thousand years.
These are the Tribulation saints. They come after the Anti-Christ reigns for 42 months.
So we have a Post-Tribulation resurrection of Tribulation saints that reign with Jesus.
Then we have a Post-Millennial resurrection of the historical dead in Christ.
Two resurrections, one Post-Tribulation and Pre-Millennial.
The other resurrection is Post-Millennial.
I think I mentioned that the ten eschatology viewpoints were probably wrong.
Now I am more confused.
And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because
of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the
mark on their foreheads and on their hands; and they came to life and reigned
with Christ for a thousand years.
These are the Tribulation saints. They come after the Anti-Christ reigns for 42 months.
So we have a Post-Tribulation resurrection of Tribulation saints that reign with Jesus.
Then we have a Post-Millennial resurrection of the historical dead in Christ.
Two resurrections, one Post-Tribulation and Pre-Millennial.
The other resurrection is Post-Millennial.
I think I mentioned that the ten eschatology viewpoints were probably wrong.
Now I am more confused.