Question about women in the church.

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Acts 18:24 Now a Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by birth, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus; and he was proficient in the Scriptures. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was accurately speaking and teaching things about Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John; 26 and he began speaking boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the way of God more accurately to him.
Does anyone dispute the fact that these two taught Apollos?
What about their ministry with Paul?
All three taught the people they met.
Priscilla is the prominent one of this husband & wife team, that's why her name is always mentioned first.
BTW, what about all the missionaries' wives who stayed in the work when their husbands died? Were they living in sin teaching/preaching to the people?

It is my opinion that many of the modern church is bound by the traditions of the elders like the Jews of Jesus' day.

They explained the way of God more accurately, but do you notice that this isn't in a formal setting that teachers are in where there is authority given to the teacher? This passage talks about an informal setting. Kind of like if you learned something from here or from friends and family. They're explaining something to you to help you understand whatever it is, but they have no authority over you like teachers do to make sure you learn something properly.

There are also accounts in the Bible where no men were available or unwilling in certain leadership and God had assigned women to those roles, but notice it isn't on-going. Like after Deborah, did God keep choosing other women to be leaders after her? No.

Same thing in modern times. I remember when Elizabeth Elliot lost her husband Jim Elliot in Ecuador and she stayed on to spread the gospel to the tribe that killed him. But God had laid in her heart to forgive them and bring them to Christ. And though she was a missionary, not ever did she have any leadership or authority over them. Do you see the difference?

This is about God's order and hierarchy. It's about respect for the authority He puts you under. This is where Satan fell. He lusted after God's authority and wanted it for himself. And he's trying to destroy the hierarchy between men and women. More than ever, he's trying to get woman to usurp the man's authority or position. This is why feminism has gotten to completely obnoxious levels in the women it infects and it's also producing wimpy, soft men who defer their authority to women. It's a mess.


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[TheLivingStone]

However, we must consider there is a slim chance that it was God breathed .... and as such.... the primary point of both ....will be covered in the explanation of 1Timothy.

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In 1 Timothy_2:9-15 ... the Word is dealing with the “wives” of the men of God
The word “woman” should read “wives” as we read through this section (as noted in 1Ti 3:1&2).
Realizing that..... should be enough to shut the door this subject ...as it is plainly stated also in 1Cor 14 .................so you could stop right here.


Can woman teach the Word …absolutely! Can married woman teach the Word….. absolutely …→ within the confines of the written Word.....
If it’s a married woman... it is done with the “proper arrangement” between a husband and wife.

As for Women teaching the Church (body of believers) ....there is nothing in the Word that disallows an unmarried woman from that...... In fact, just the contrary. ....As there are several areas in the Word (both OT & NT) that show women teaching. Which contradict these verses in 1Timbo ....and 1 Cor..... > if it were to apply to all women.<

There is no restriction (biblically) on an unmarried woman who desires to teach the Word. And the restrictions on a married woman are by proper arrangement between a husband and a wife.

Isn't all scripture God breathed? Does it not say that in scripture?

So if it means wives and not women does that mean according to Matthew 5:28 it's wrong to lust after wives but not unmarried women?

Where in the bible does it show a woman teaching?

 

[Mem]

I recently noticed that "nut" is also a synonym for "stone."

"If any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant. If he will be ignorant and obstinate, let him remain so." -1 Cor 14:38

 

[TheLivingStone]

Professional pastors oftentimes don't have the liberty speak their minds
about certain things; not when they're basically an employee answering
to a church board.

BTW: Have you tried YouTube?
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Do you mean that the pastor's fear their employers more than following God's instructions properly?

I typed in the chapters and verses in YouTube but not much came up, do you know of any useful links?

 

[NightTwister]

Oh, this should be fun.

 

[CS1]

The problem is not women in the Church.

It is men who think they are women and women who think they are men, and the church supporting that false narrative. Everything else is wrong after that, LOL.

 

[Edify]

They explained the way of God more accurately, but do you notice that this isn't in a formal setting that teachers are in where there is authority given to the teacher? This passage talks about an informal setting. Kind of like if you learned something from here or from friends and family. They're explaining something to you to help you understand whatever it is, but they have no authority over you like teachers do to make sure you learn something properly.

So an informal setting for women to explain the the way of God more clearly to men is alright?
Where exactly in the Bible is that?

 

[TheLivingStone]

I recently noticed that "nut" is also a synonym for "stone."

"If any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant. If he will be ignorant and obstinate, let him remain so." -1 Cor 14:38

I don't think that asking questions and trying to get to the truth of a matter according to God's will for us is ignorance.

 

[Susanna]

Say, what is worse? The word of God being mediated by women or not at all?

 

[Edify]

So much has been mentioned about offices of authority and who can hold offices of authority, such as pastors, teachers, etc.
While there are such offices of authority in the modern church, they ALL are Biblically FALSE.
Not only did Jesus not teach such things, He taught AGAINST them.
Mark 10:42Calling them to Himself, Jesus *said to them, “You know that those who are recognized as rulers of the Gentiles domineer over them; and their [t]people in high position exercise authority over them. 43But it is not this way among you; rather, whoever wants to become prominent among you shall be your servant; 44and whoever wants to be first among you shall be slave of all. 45For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His [v]life as a ransom for many.”

So, when those say women cannot teach men or preach to them, what's actually meant is they cannot be a teaching or preaching servant & can never be servant of all as the result.
So who gave anyone judgmental authority to be a respecter of persons to say only certain christians can be a servant to all?

 

[Webers.Home]

Do you mean that the pastor's fear their employers more than following God's instructions properly?

I was a welder forty years. Mine was a very in-demand blue collar trade. I
could go just about anywhere I wanted to live and find work. But there aren't
nearly as many opportunities for career pastors as there are welders; and
those opportunities are competitive. So it's understandable that some pastors
would compromise a little here and there to keep their jobs.
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[TheLivingStone]

So much has been mentioned about offices of authority and who can hold offices of authority, such as pastors, teachers, etc.
While there are such offices of authority in the modern church, they ALL are Biblically FALSE.
Not only did Jesus not teach such things, He taught AGAINST them.
Mark 10:42Calling them to Himself, Jesus *said to them, “You know that those who are recognized as rulers of the Gentiles domineer over them; and their [t]people in high position exercise authority over them. 43But it is not this way among you; rather, whoever wants to become prominent among you shall be your servant; 44and whoever wants to be first among you shall be slave of all. 45For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His [v]life as a ransom for many.”

So, when those say women cannot teach men or preach to them, what's actually meant is they cannot be a teaching or preaching servant & can never be servant of all as the result.
So who gave anyone judgmental authority to be a respecter of persons to say only certain christians can be a servant to all?

So are the way churches run in general going against what Christ taught and commanded? I do wonder why i don't feel good about going back to any church I've been to around where I'm from, and i thought it was partly because of the issue of women preaching/teaching.

 

[tourist]

Should a woman be allowed to teach? Apparently God thinks it's alright. Joel 2:27-32, "Ye shall know that I am the Lord your God. I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh and your sons and DAUGHTERS will prophesy."

Good piece of scripture that provides some food for thought in regards to women in positions of authority.

 

[Blade]

I went to a new church yesterday with hopes of maybe being discipled, to get some guidance and help in the faith.

As well as the pastor speaking, a woman and the pastor's wife done a bit of preaching.

This doesn't seem right at all, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 comes to mind.

11 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.


I have nothing against women but do against the modern day attitude influenced by feminism and western culture that blatantly goes against God's word.

Also it seems a bit disturbing that no one speaks out about this, pastor's, people who have been in the faith for a long time, you'd think they'd know better? Why are people just letting this happen?

Lets try to remember were looking back 2000y and they were Jewish believers then gentiles.. make this simple gentile believers were not Jewish but to keep let just say the peace this and other things were talked about. No offense but a little studying and searching you can find things like "specific problem in the church at Ephesus, where false teaching was leading to inappropriate behavior. ". He was talking to "that" Church not all women in all Churches through out time

 

[Webers.Home]

Say, what is worse? The word of God being mediated by women or not at all?

To my knowledge, woman are free to lead women's Sunday school classes
and women's prayer meetings, etc. If a guy crashes a woman's class or a
woman's prayer meeting, I think he should be welcomed with a caveat, to
wit: Men are not allowed to speak in this class, and men are especially not
allowed to debate with the leader. If we hear even one peep out of you, even
so much as a hiccup, you are gone!

NOTE: My wife is cozy with an internet group of Christian women from all
over the globe. When she's zooming with them, my wife shuts the door and
makes sure I don't interrupt; which is fine with me because that's their time
and I want them to have it all to themselves without a Czar or a Kaiser
trying to take it over the way toxic males are so often wont to do.
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[Aussie52]

As William Booth (Salvation Army) once said, "a woman is the best man for the job"!

 

[Webers.Home]

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COMMON OBJECTION: We don't have to comply with Paul's instructions. After
all; he's only an apostle: not God!

REPLY: You're walking on thin ice.

● 1Cor 14:37 . .If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him
acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of
the Lord.

● 1Thess 4:1-2 . .We beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by The Lord
Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please
God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments
we gave you by The Lord Jesus.

People who truly love The Lord will comply with the commandments that
Paul gave the churches by The Lord Jesus. Those who don't truly love The
Lord won't comply.

● John 14:15 . . If you love me, you will comply with what I command.

● John 14:21 . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one
who loves me.

● John 14:23-24 . . If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who
does not love me will not obey my teaching.

● John 15:14 . .You are my friends if you do as I wish.

Ergo: refusal to obey an apostle is all the same as refusing to obey Christ.
It's a domino effect of insubordination all the way to the top.

● Luke 10:16 . .Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you;
rejects me. And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me.

● Luke 10:16 . .Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you;
rejects me. And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me.
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[Edify]

So are the way churches run in general going against what Christ taught and commanded? I do wonder why i don't feel good about going back to any church I've been to around where I'm from, and i thought it was partly because of the issue of women preaching/teaching.

The Falling Away is usually the biggest problem.
Jesus taught us to watch & pray. Many today do not watch at all because they pray very little.

 

[SonJudgment]

The reason they do it and people excuse and defend it is because their society at large is evil and shameful, even outside of their churches the behavior of women in this society is pretty infamously their biggest problem, that should be pretty obvious. Good on you for dilligently studying your Bible though. They have easily identified themselves as outposts of the enemy, go ahead and just leave them behind, even tell them why if you want, though if they're so evil that they do this to begin with I doubt they would be able to understand. Just go ahead and leave them in the dust and keep studying the Bible some more, the more people study the Bible the more they're going to come to similar conclusions.

 

[p_rehbein]

I went to a new church yesterday with hopes of maybe being discipled, to get some guidance and help in the faith.

As well as the pastor speaking, a woman and the pastor's wife done a bit of preaching.

This doesn't seem right at all, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 comes to mind.

11 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.


I have nothing against women but do against the modern day attitude influenced by feminism and western culture that blatantly goes against God's word.

Also it seems a bit disturbing that no one speaks out about this, pastor's, people who have been in the faith for a long time, you'd think they'd know better? Why are people just letting this happen?[/QUOT

Starting this old argument again, sigh......

Sad part is, the people who tell women they can't have authority over men do not have ONE SCRIPTURE in the entire Bible where GOD said HE did not have authority over men. Actually, it's just the opposite. But, hey, you guys have fun anyhoo...........