Question about women in the church.
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Jesus always did what the father Commanded him, and the Holy Spirit teaches the same thing that the father teaches as they are one.
there are no examples in the first 1800 years where women had a leader role in the church, it came in the beginning of the 1800s, ( last 200 years )
this is not about interpretation, its facts,
there are nowhere in the new testament where a woman had a leader role in the church. and the early church teached the same thing, all the way up to 1800s, they never ordained a woman.
we should not twist the truth my friend.
woman cannot be a pastor nor in any leader role in the church of Jesus, its not possible, Jesus would have chosen at least 1 woman but he didn't, he choose only men because Jesus wouldn't do anything else than what the Father commanded.
the Curse of Eve after her sin was that man would rule over her, this was the curse for all woman, how do we know, because in the same verse it says that woman will be in sorrow in child birth as a curse for her sin, which is also for all woman as we know.
Gen 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”
there are no examples in the first 1800 years where women had a leader role in the church, it came in the beginning of the 1800s, ( last 200 years )
this is not about interpretation, its facts,
there are nowhere in the new testament where a woman had a leader role in the church. and the early church teached the same thing, all the way up to 1800s, they never ordained a woman.
we should not twist the truth my friend.
woman cannot be a pastor nor in any leader role in the church of Jesus, its not possible, Jesus would have chosen at least 1 woman but he didn't, he choose only men because Jesus wouldn't do anything else than what the Father commanded.
the Curse of Eve after her sin was that man would rule over her, this was the curse for all woman, how do we know, because in the same verse it says that woman will be in sorrow in child birth as a curse for her sin, which is also for all woman as we know.
Gen 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”
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More accurately, interpreters did not record any instances of women leaders. They changed the meaning of deaconess to a lesser office of 'servant' if the context spoke of a female.
And God did not curse eve as the solution for her transgression. Her husband ruling over her did not help in anyway to make her more obedient. If His ruling over her was a curse, then it was not a 'good' thing. Rather, a blessing is a good thing. Isn't that obvious to you?
And God did not curse eve as the solution for her transgression. Her husband ruling over her did not help in anyway to make her more obedient. If His ruling over her was a curse, then it was not a 'good' thing. Rather, a blessing is a good thing. Isn't that obvious to you?
Read it without your own views, read it as it says.
Isa 3:12 My people—infants are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
O my people, your guides mislead you and they have swallowed up the course of your paths.
does this seem to you that it is positive?
if you knew history in Israel, one of the worst thing that could ever happen was if a woman ruled over men, because that was never meant to happen.
if it happened they saw it as a punishment.
an example is Deborah, she ruled israel when all the country was totaly divided and there were no leaders and people did as they wanted.
you don't form doctrines of exceptions.
Isa 3:12 My people—infants are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
O my people, your guides mislead you and they have swallowed up the course of your paths.
does this seem to you that it is positive?
if you knew history in Israel, one of the worst thing that could ever happen was if a woman ruled over men, because that was never meant to happen.
if it happened they saw it as a punishment.
an example is Deborah, she ruled israel when all the country was totaly divided and there were no leaders and people did as they wanted.
you don't form doctrines of exceptions.
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that's not true at all.
there are not 1 example in the new testament of a woman leader. not one.
trust me i have studied this and never was i given any proof, and i have read the bible myself, there are none.
and deacons are a role for men.
1 Timothy 3:8
Deacons likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain,
1 Timothy 3:10
These men must also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons if they are beyond reproach.
1 Timothy 3:12
Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households.
It grieves me that people wanna change the bible and twist it so much instead of reading it as is and understanding the history.
im done on this subject.
God bless you my friend.
there are not 1 example in the new testament of a woman leader. not one.
trust me i have studied this and never was i given any proof, and i have read the bible myself, there are none.
and deacons are a role for men.
1 Timothy 3:8
Deacons likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain,
1 Timothy 3:10
These men must also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons if they are beyond reproach.
1 Timothy 3:12
Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households.
It grieves me that people wanna change the bible and twist it so much instead of reading it as is and understanding the history.
im done on this subject.
God bless you my friend.
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Misogyny and sexism are not synonymous. The first speaks of hatred for
women, whereas the second speaks of behavior, conditions, or attitudes that
foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex (a.k.a. gender).
In that respect, New Testament Christianity and Old Testament Judaism are
sexist to the bone; no doubt about it.
* Misogyny was given quite a bit of negative press during former US
President Donald Trump's administration; while misandry was condoned as if
it were acceptable. But malice is unacceptable with God on any level; and I
think we have to agree to the possibility that there are just as many, if not
more, man haters in Hell as there are woman haters because women are not
a protected species with God; nor is their gender a mitigating factor. They
will be judged solely on the basis of their lives the same as men.
● Rom 2:9-11. .There will be trouble and distress for every human being
who does evil: For God does not show favoritism.
The disturbing scene depicted at Rev 20:11-15 will be presided over by none
other than the sweet little babe away in a manger.
● John 5:21-23 . . Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all
judgment to the Son
● Acts 17:31 . . He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice
by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by
raising him from the dead.
I would very much dislike to be a woman infected with misandry because in
the end, it will be a "toxic male" that dooms man-hating women and thus
permanently ruin any chances they might have had for happiness in the
future. For all eternity, those hostile females will grind their teeth with hot
tears and clenched-fist fury that they ultimately lost out on everything
because of one lone man's obsessive control over their lives. Hell is bad
enough as it is, but I would imagine that existing there seething with rage
makes one's circumstances a hell within the Hell.
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No. As usual, there are INNUMERABLE Old Testament passages that make perfectly clear God's intended order of things.
And as usual, the ignorant Church today rejects the OT as irrelevant.
Isa 3:12
As for My people, children are their oppressors,
And women rule over them.
O My people! Those who lead you cause you to err,
And destroy the way of your paths.”
And as usual, the ignorant Church today rejects the OT as irrelevant.
Isa 3:12
As for My people, children are their oppressors,
And women rule over them.
O My people! Those who lead you cause you to err,
And destroy the way of your paths.”
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Back in that day practically EVERY woman was married. If she was sane and in decent health, she would be married.
And if you were NOT married, you would literally starve and die, you were a prostitute, a leper or some other horrible state of being.
With very VERY rare exceptions. But the working classes all were married. There were no other options.
And women were married at puberty, maybe 14 year old.
So the only thing women could be was virgin, married or widowed.
And if you were NOT married, you would literally starve and die, you were a prostitute, a leper or some other horrible state of being.
With very VERY rare exceptions. But the working classes all were married. There were no other options.
And women were married at puberty, maybe 14 year old.
So the only thing women could be was virgin, married or widowed.
Jesus taught them, but said nowhere that the absence of female apostles means anything at all. It is foolish to make doctrine from narrative.
Perhaps you didn’t know that the Hebrew words translated ‘helper’ are used elsewhere for God Himself. Is God merely a helper, a subordinate underling? No.
It’s disgusting to me that Christians cannot address a concern without conflating it with unrelated and blatantly sinful behaviour.
We should also ask ourselves why we ignore relevant Scripture like Romans 16:1 and are content with holding on to sexist stereotypes.
Perhaps you didn’t know that the Hebrew words translated ‘helper’ are used elsewhere for God Himself. Is God merely a helper, a subordinate underling? No.
It’s disgusting to me that Christians cannot address a concern without conflating it with unrelated and blatantly sinful behaviour.
We should also ask ourselves why we ignore relevant Scripture like Romans 16:1 and are content with holding on to sexist stereotypes.
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It isn't about the issue of men and women in the church, but you might still be interested in reading the book "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola. It gets into the history of how church became what it is today and shows how much it is contrary to what the early church was and what was commanded and taught for its functioning.
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NOWHERE does any office in any church have authority to bark orders to anyone. It's unbiblical.
So this "authority" tree some of you keep climbing is false.
In the NT, God taught with His authority that christians, the inner man, is no longer under the curse,
so OT law is out on that one.
So those wanting to debilitate women's ministry have lost their footing.
We are all NOW the sons of God according to scripture, all king-priests of His kingdom.
There are several scriptures stating men should do.... but we know that usage is for the whole church.
Apparently we haven't yet done our best to determine which ones mean 'mankind' or 'male individual'
Obviously, we need to study to show ourselves approved instead of parroting a religious denomination to show ourselves as fools.
Acts 2 repeats Joel's prophecy as God's plan for His church. No christian, regardless of sex or status, was left out.
Men, women sons, daughters, even slaves share in His ministry to the world.
Sadly, from about the late 3rd century on the RCC made ungodly false claims that this died with the Apostles.
Ever since then the church leadership won't let over half of church preach the gospel.
Some of you can deny it, but this is where it all starts.
In the NT, women & men both worked to spread the Gospel unhindered.
Now we have made new laws, bylaws, stating who can or cannot do anything.
It seems protestants are becoming more like the catholics with their own traditional bylaws carrying more weight than the Bible.
The NT says the Spirit will guide us in all things.
So ladies, pray & seek the Lord, Let Him guide & call you, & let no one else hinder you.
It's just that simple.
So this "authority" tree some of you keep climbing is false.
In the NT, God taught with His authority that christians, the inner man, is no longer under the curse,
so OT law is out on that one.
So those wanting to debilitate women's ministry have lost their footing.
We are all NOW the sons of God according to scripture, all king-priests of His kingdom.
There are several scriptures stating men should do.... but we know that usage is for the whole church.
Apparently we haven't yet done our best to determine which ones mean 'mankind' or 'male individual'
Obviously, we need to study to show ourselves approved instead of parroting a religious denomination to show ourselves as fools.
Acts 2 repeats Joel's prophecy as God's plan for His church. No christian, regardless of sex or status, was left out.
Men, women sons, daughters, even slaves share in His ministry to the world.
Sadly, from about the late 3rd century on the RCC made ungodly false claims that this died with the Apostles.
Ever since then the church leadership won't let over half of church preach the gospel.
Some of you can deny it, but this is where it all starts.
In the NT, women & men both worked to spread the Gospel unhindered.
Now we have made new laws, bylaws, stating who can or cannot do anything.
It seems protestants are becoming more like the catholics with their own traditional bylaws carrying more weight than the Bible.
The NT says the Spirit will guide us in all things.
So ladies, pray & seek the Lord, Let Him guide & call you, & let no one else hinder you.
It's just that simple.
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