Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[ZNP]

I know you are very knowledgeable on futurist eschatology.
But I do believe it is applied to the wrong time period.

Yes, I know, you think Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD. I also agree that Matthew 24 was speaking about 70 AD, however I see Jesus presenting what happened in 70 AD as one bookend to the church age, and then the seven year tribulation as the other bookend.

One problem many expositors have is they assume that Matthew, Mark and Luke all had the same agenda and were all giving the same message in triplicate. That is not the case.

If you read the accounts carefully and focus on what is different in the accounts and what is missing from one or the other account you will realize they are specifically referring to Israel's salvation as a nation (Matthew), those who are left behind after the rapture (Mark) and those who are raptured before the hour of trial (Luke).

For example, consider the verse about the gospel being preached in the whole earth.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Right now the gospel is being preached in His name to all nations. You can't publish in some countries, bibles are forbidden, but that has not stopped us. Also the internet is one way the gospel is being preached to all nations. However, after the rapture small children, toddlers and babies will be taken. At that point the gospel will be published among all nations. No way the government can prevent that. However, after the Christians are taken and you are in the Great Tribulation you will have a mighty angel proclaiming the eternal gospel in all the world. That is the gospel of the kingdom. Luke is precise that He is talking about repentance and remission of sins. That is not the gospel that is preached in all the world during the great tribulation.

 

[cv5]

Then you have tossed out the words of Jesus, I think He was quite clear.
But that is just me I guess.

Clear as a bell dear clear as a bell. For me these prophecies are like reading the morning newspaper.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yes, I know, you think Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD. I also agree that Matthew 24 was speaking about 70 AD, however I see Jesus presenting what happened in 70 AD as one bookend to the church age, and then the seven year tribulation as the other bookend.

One problem many expositors have is they assume that Matthew, Mark and Luke all had the same agenda and were all giving the same message in triplicate. That is not the case.

If you read the accounts carefully and focus on what is different in the accounts and what is missing from one or the other account you will realize they are specifically referring to Israel's salvation as a nation (Matthew), those who are left behind after the rapture (Mark) and those who are raptured before the hour of trial (Luke).

For example, consider the verse about the gospel being preached in the whole earth.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Right now the gospel is being preached in His name to all nations. You can't publish in some countries, bibles are forbidden, but that has not stopped us. Also the internet is one way the gospel is being preached to all nations. However, after the rapture small children, toddlers and babies will be taken. At that point the gospel will be published among all nations. No way the government can prevent that. However, after the Christians are taken and you are in the Great Tribulation you will have a mighty angel proclaiming the eternal gospel in all the world. That is the gospel of the kingdom. Luke is precise that He is talking about repentance and remission of sins. That is not the gospel that is preached in all the world during the great tribulation.

Well you have take the time to write this, most likely neither you nor I will be persuaded differently, however just for my own learning as I do see that you are knowledgeable in this futurist eschatology as is @cv5 which scripture in Matthew is referring to Israel's salvation as a nation?

 

[cv5]

Yes, I know, you think Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD. I also agree that Matthew 24 was speaking about 70 AD, however I see Jesus presenting what happened in 70 AD as one bookend to the church age, and then the seven year tribulation as the other bookend.

One problem many expositors have is they assume that Matthew, Mark and Luke all had the same agenda and were all giving the same message in triplicate. That is not the case.

If you read the accounts carefully and focus on what is different in the accounts and what is missing from one or the other account you will realize they are specifically referring to Israel's salvation as a nation (Matthew), those who are left behind after the rapture (Mark) and those who are raptured before the hour of trial (Luke).

For example, consider the verse about the gospel being preached in the whole earth.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Right now the gospel is being preached in His name to all nations. You can't publish in some countries, bibles are forbidden, but that has not stopped us. Also the internet is one way the gospel is being preached to all nations. However, after the rapture small children, toddlers and babies will be taken. At that point the gospel will be published among all nations. No way the government can prevent that. However, after the Christians are taken and you are in the Great Tribulation you will have a mighty angel proclaiming the eternal gospel in all the world. That is the gospel of the kingdom. Luke is precise that He is talking about repentance and remission of sins. That is not the gospel that is preached in all the world during the great tribulation.

Third question FIRST
First question SECOND
Second question LAST

One must realize this before moving forward.
Furthermore, this is the correct order, as Christ knows the priority and timestream.

 

[cv5]

Well you have take the time to write this, most likely neither you nor I will be persuaded differently, however just for my own learning as I do see that you are knowledgeable in this futurist eschatology as is @cv5 which scripture in Matthew is referring to Israel's salvation as a nation?

All of Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 and every other passage in all of the Bible MUST......and DOES correlate, concatenate, support, exemplify, expand upon and verify these passages.

FIRST.....

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

THEN......(AND HOW).....

Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[ZNP]

which scripture in Matthew is referring to Israel's salvation as a nation?

I will go through this in detail as it is a very complex question. However, to keep things simple consider

Matthew 1:1 The book of the genealogy[a] of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

The covenant made by God to both David and Abraham applies to the nation of Israel. Whereas the covenant made by the Son of David and the Son of Abraham is the covenant made with Christians.

So from the first verse we see how both the Old and New Testaments are intertwined. This focus is essentially non existent in Mark and Luke. However, it is explained in Romans which many consider the "Gospel according to Paul".

Now consider

Matthew 23:39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

This is not in Mark.

Now consider the context:

37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate;

This is the conclusion to the woes that Jesus pronounces on the scribes and Pharisees. It is clearly a reference to Israel as a nation and their salvation when Jesus steps down on to Jerusalem and splits the mountain in two.

In Luke the difference is incredibly subtle, almost imperceptible.

Luke 13:34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing! 35 See! Your house is left to you desolate; and [k]assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

In Luke they have not seen Him yet, in Matthew they have seen Him, but "no more". Therefore in Matthew it is after the two witnesses are killed and the whole world sees them taken up. That marks the official end of the salvation of Christians.