Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[ZNP]

I know you are very knowledgeable on futurist eschatology.
But I do believe it is applied to the wrong time period.

Yes, I know, you think Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD. I also agree that Matthew 24 was speaking about 70 AD, however I see Jesus presenting what happened in 70 AD as one bookend to the church age, and then the seven year tribulation as the other bookend.

One problem many expositors have is they assume that Matthew, Mark and Luke all had the same agenda and were all giving the same message in triplicate. That is not the case.

If you read the accounts carefully and focus on what is different in the accounts and what is missing from one or the other account you will realize they are specifically referring to Israel's salvation as a nation (Matthew), those who are left behind after the rapture (Mark) and those who are raptured before the hour of trial (Luke).

For example, consider the verse about the gospel being preached in the whole earth.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Right now the gospel is being preached in His name to all nations. You can't publish in some countries, bibles are forbidden, but that has not stopped us. Also the internet is one way the gospel is being preached to all nations. However, after the rapture small children, toddlers and babies will be taken. At that point the gospel will be published among all nations. No way the government can prevent that. However, after the Christians are taken and you are in the Great Tribulation you will have a mighty angel proclaiming the eternal gospel in all the world. That is the gospel of the kingdom. Luke is precise that He is talking about repentance and remission of sins. That is not the gospel that is preached in all the world during the great tribulation.

 

[cv5]

Then you have tossed out the words of Jesus, I think He was quite clear.
But that is just me I guess.

Clear as a bell dear clear as a bell. For me these prophecies are like reading the morning newspaper.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yes, I know, you think Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD. I also agree that Matthew 24 was speaking about 70 AD, however I see Jesus presenting what happened in 70 AD as one bookend to the church age, and then the seven year tribulation as the other bookend.

One problem many expositors have is they assume that Matthew, Mark and Luke all had the same agenda and were all giving the same message in triplicate. That is not the case.

If you read the accounts carefully and focus on what is different in the accounts and what is missing from one or the other account you will realize they are specifically referring to Israel's salvation as a nation (Matthew), those who are left behind after the rapture (Mark) and those who are raptured before the hour of trial (Luke).

For example, consider the verse about the gospel being preached in the whole earth.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Right now the gospel is being preached in His name to all nations. You can't publish in some countries, bibles are forbidden, but that has not stopped us. Also the internet is one way the gospel is being preached to all nations. However, after the rapture small children, toddlers and babies will be taken. At that point the gospel will be published among all nations. No way the government can prevent that. However, after the Christians are taken and you are in the Great Tribulation you will have a mighty angel proclaiming the eternal gospel in all the world. That is the gospel of the kingdom. Luke is precise that He is talking about repentance and remission of sins. That is not the gospel that is preached in all the world during the great tribulation.

Well you have take the time to write this, most likely neither you nor I will be persuaded differently, however just for my own learning as I do see that you are knowledgeable in this futurist eschatology as is @cv5 which scripture in Matthew is referring to Israel's salvation as a nation?

 

[cv5]

Yes, I know, you think Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD. I also agree that Matthew 24 was speaking about 70 AD, however I see Jesus presenting what happened in 70 AD as one bookend to the church age, and then the seven year tribulation as the other bookend.

One problem many expositors have is they assume that Matthew, Mark and Luke all had the same agenda and were all giving the same message in triplicate. That is not the case.

If you read the accounts carefully and focus on what is different in the accounts and what is missing from one or the other account you will realize they are specifically referring to Israel's salvation as a nation (Matthew), those who are left behind after the rapture (Mark) and those who are raptured before the hour of trial (Luke).

For example, consider the verse about the gospel being preached in the whole earth.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Right now the gospel is being preached in His name to all nations. You can't publish in some countries, bibles are forbidden, but that has not stopped us. Also the internet is one way the gospel is being preached to all nations. However, after the rapture small children, toddlers and babies will be taken. At that point the gospel will be published among all nations. No way the government can prevent that. However, after the Christians are taken and you are in the Great Tribulation you will have a mighty angel proclaiming the eternal gospel in all the world. That is the gospel of the kingdom. Luke is precise that He is talking about repentance and remission of sins. That is not the gospel that is preached in all the world during the great tribulation.

Third question FIRST
First question SECOND
Second question LAST

One must realize this before moving forward.
Furthermore, this is the correct order, as Christ knows the priority and timestream.

 

[cv5]

Well you have take the time to write this, most likely neither you nor I will be persuaded differently, however just for my own learning as I do see that you are knowledgeable in this futurist eschatology as is @cv5 which scripture in Matthew is referring to Israel's salvation as a nation?

All of Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 and every other passage in all of the Bible MUST......and DOES correlate, concatenate, support, exemplify, expand upon and verify these passages.

FIRST.....

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

THEN......(AND HOW).....

Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[ZNP]

which scripture in Matthew is referring to Israel's salvation as a nation?

I will go through this in detail as it is a very complex question. However, to keep things simple consider

Matthew 1:1 The book of the genealogy[a] of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

The covenant made by God to both David and Abraham applies to the nation of Israel. Whereas the covenant made by the Son of David and the Son of Abraham is the covenant made with Christians.

So from the first verse we see how both the Old and New Testaments are intertwined. This focus is essentially non existent in Mark and Luke. However, it is explained in Romans which many consider the "Gospel according to Paul".

Now consider

Matthew 23:39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

This is not in Mark.

Now consider the context:

37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate;

This is the conclusion to the woes that Jesus pronounces on the scribes and Pharisees. It is clearly a reference to Israel as a nation and their salvation when Jesus steps down on to Jerusalem and splits the mountain in two.

In Luke the difference is incredibly subtle, almost imperceptible.

Luke 13:34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing! 35 See! Your house is left to you desolate; and [k]assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

In Luke they have not seen Him yet, in Matthew they have seen Him, but "no more". Therefore in Matthew it is after the two witnesses are killed and the whole world sees them taken up. That marks the official end of the salvation of Christians.

 

[cv5]

How did Musk save free speech? I think it's safe to say all these people are batting for the same team, and its not for us.

Musk saved free speech by purchasing the Twitter skunk infested barn and then
firing the entrenched DS Prog Left Bolshevik censorship mafia.

 

[TheLivingStone]

Musk saved free speech by purchasing the Twitter skunk infested barn and then
firing the entrenched DS Prog Left Bolshevik censorship mafia.

Oh right, apart from this forum and youtube i don't use social media and have no idea who Bolshevik is.

 

[cv5]

Oh right, apart from this forum and youtube i don't use social media and have no idea who Bolshevik is.

Well.....truth does sound harsh sometimes. Believe me I don't like it any more than you do.

But when you lose free speech.....its gone forever.

 

[Kroogz]

Of course I am pre-trib. Because I am Biblically literate.
As for signs.....look out your window.

No dates. Dates are not specified for the rapture. Because it will be a sneak attack that Satan cannot front-run.

A fact lost upon many. Satan realizes his time is short......AFTER THE RAPTURE!

Biblically literate and bold......I like that. We will have a little bit of time to explain things to MOST BELIEVERS on our way up.

 

[cv5]

(1) George on X: "BREAKING: Elon Musk just issued an emergency message to all 200 MILLION people who follow him to register to vote for Trump before the deadline is over "I'm just being repetitive about this point because one takeaway, more than anything that will matter, is getting those https://t.co/naKYUqfoKu" / X

 

[cv5]

(1) George on X: "If this doesn't explain how the election fraud apparatus works, I don't know what will. Election integrity leaders in Virginia discovered many local precincts in Henrico County with voter turnouts reaching over 100% from the 2020 election. Randolph - 115% (426 votes/326 https://t.co/1e5ZbTudPg" / X

If this doesn't explain how the election fraud apparatus works, I don't know what will.

Election integrity leaders in Virginia discovered many local precincts in Henrico County with voter turnouts reaching over 100% from the 2020 election.
Randolph - 115% (426 votes/326 registered)
Spottswood - 113% (1260/1111) Monument Hills - 111% (1270/1120)
Hunton - 111% (1174/1060)
Rollingwood - 105% (2096/1989)
Longdale - 105% (1941/1853)
Elko - 105% (786/751) Derbyshire - 104% (2081/2004)
Lauderdale - 100% (2494/2484)
Antioch - 100% (1976/1970)

This is from EXPERT
@RealSKeshel
who estimates that there were 15,572 fraudulent votes in Henrico alone.

========================================

Wakey wakey everybody.

 

[ZNP]

which scripture in Matthew is referring to Israel's salvation as a nation?

Matthew 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. 5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. 6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. 7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. 8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. 9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; 10 And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me.

Judas is the false prophet and in Revelation there will also be a false prophet. Because he comes from the land and looks like a lamb it is understood that the false prophet during the tribulation is Jewish. Notice how the only gospel that records the death of Judas is Matthew. That makes sense if Luke is written to those raptured prior to the hour of trial, and Mark is for the left behind saints. In neither of those cases would the false prophet kill himself yet.

On the other hand only Luke has this account:

Luke 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

This is describing the difference for Christians preaching the gospel before the rapture and after the rapture.

In contrast to Matthew and Luke there is almost nothing in the Gospel of Mark that is unique to Mark. However, here is one of the very few things that is unique to Mark:

Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

This would make sense if the Lord were speaking to those left behind after the rapture.

 

[ZNP]

which scripture in Matthew is referring to Israel's salvation as a nation?

compare this word by Jesus in all three synoptic gospels

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

These two are identical.

Luke 21:8b for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Only Luke says this. No one will be trying to deceive people that "the time draweth near" after the rapture. This shows you that Luke is to those who are raptured prior to the "hour of trial".

 

[ZNP]

Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Only Luke has this. I believe this is a reference to the destruction of Mystery, Babylon the Great. I believe this event will be what kicks off the "hour of trial" which is to come upon the whole earth. I think this is a direct reference to the rapture before the hour of trial, as they go up, the fire comes down.

compare this with the word where Jesus told the disciples that Elijah had come first, referring to John the Baptist. That is only in Matthew and Mark and is not in Luke. Again, this makes sense since Luke is written to those who are taken prior to the hour of trial, which includes the Antichrist, the false prophet and the two witnesses.

 

[ZNP]

Only in Luke does Jesus say this

Luke 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

The time of thy visitation refers to the rapture before the hour of trial. Those in Matthew and Mark didn't know, which is why they go through that trial.

 

[Magenta]

Oh right, apart from this forum and youtube i don't use social media and have no idea who Bolshevik is.

Bolshevik is just another word for far left ideologies like Marxism/communism.
Bolsheviks of over a hundred years ago changed their name to Russian Communist Party.

 

[Nehemiah6]

the judge in his trial refused to allow the video to be entered in the case.

Just goes to show how the judicial system has been thoroughly corrupted and perverted. Had a murderer or rapist appeared before this judge, he would either have received a slap on the wrist, or the case would have been dismissed arbitrarily.

There were many like that young man who were jailed for no reason at all. Many suffered in a Gulag for over two years (perhaps more). Many died because of mistreatment. Biden and Harris have blood on their hands.

 

[Nehemiah6]

An absolutely disgusting position she has taken on abortion. Interesting timing. So maybe Donaldo is not so pro-life after all, just another fake position.

I was shocked to read about Melania, who is a Catholic, and the Catholic church is (or was for the longest time) strongly against abortion. A woman's body belongs equally to the baby once he or she is conceived. So that is a mere pretension.

Trump has flip-flopped from pro-life to pro-choice several times. But a leader should take a clear moral stand. All he has to do is say that he is pro-life, but will not impose his views on others, and that when the Supreme Court ruled on Roe v Wade, that settled the issue. Let the states make whatever decision their people want. He says he believes in God, so why does he not obey Him (or listen to him)?

 

[TheLivingStone]

Bolshevik is just another word for far left ideologies like Marxism/communism.
Bolsheviks of over a hundred years ago changed their name to Russian Communist Party.

Ah ok 😂
So Musk doesn't allow far left ideologies on Twitter? Still don't trust him but don't particularly care either way, is it right enough that we shouldn't focus too much on such things?