Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[Cameron143]

Who was the Law written to?

Depends where you look. But the law was given to some in particular, but apply to all. In Romans 3:19 we find the law governing unbelievers.
Now if you are asking who is likely to obey the law, I would go with believers.

 

[Genez]

You want to answer a question that isn't relevant to my point while never addressing the point I made.

You are presented with Jesus. And, you do not believe.

What does it take to not believe?

What is unbelief?

 

[Cameron143]

You are presented with Jesus. And, you do not believe.

What does it take to not believe?

What is unbelief?

Do you even know what my point was?

 

[Magenta]

1 John 3:23 says we are commanded to be believe.

The wages of sin is death. The Holy Spirit of God convicts the world of sin specifically because they do not believe.

 

[Rufus]

Reading any verse of Scripture without context is what leads to heresy. If it was as simple as a command, the Law would have been sufficient.

Thanks for the non-answer. And how else would we know what God's prescriptive will is for man unless he gave us commands?

 

[Sipsey]

Depends where you look. But the law was given to some in particular, but apply to all. In Romans 3:19 we find the law governing unbelievers.
Now if you are asking who is likely to obey the law, I would go with believers.

Nice dodge.

 

[Sipsey]

Thanks for the non-answer. And how else would we know what God's prescriptive will is for man unless he gave us commands?

So, you prefer the Law?

 

[Rufus]

So, you prefer the Law?

What does your question have to do with my question? How would you know what God's will is for your life if it weren't for his commands?

And I have nothing against God's thrice holy law; for I use it lawfully (1Tim 1:8). Or as the Psalmist said, "I love your law..." (Ps 119;97, 113, 119, 127, 159, 163). What about you?

 

[Cameron143]

Nice dodge.

You said the law is for believers. I showed you a passage where the law is directed towards non believers. How is that a dodge? Scripture delineates the purpose of the law variously. Sometimes it addresses particular people, sometimes other classes of people, and sometimes to humanity as a whole. The particular command to believe is certainly for all mankind according to Acts 20:21 where all are called to repentance and faith.

 

[Bruce_Leiter]

“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:33‬ ‭

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭9:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:15‬ ‭

it seems as if all begin in the book of life and then are blotted out when they reject the lord

How do you come to conclude your final thought based on the passages? I don't see your reasoning in the Bible.

 

[Sipsey]

You said the law is for believers. I showed you a passage where the law is directed towards non believers. How is that a dodge? Scripture delineates the purpose of the law variously. Sometimes it addresses particular people, sometimes other classes of people, and sometimes to humanity as a whole. The particular command to believe is certainly for all mankind according to Acts 20:21 where all are called to repentance and faith.

The question was a simple one, your answer was goulash.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Acts 17:30

Would you consider that the "all men" in Acts 17:30 has reference to his "offspring" mentioned in verse 29, and not all of mankind?

Isaiah 61:9 - And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, they are the seed which the Lord hath blessed.

You may also consider Isaiah 65:22-23, that God's offspring are his elect.

 

[Cameron143]

The question was a simple one, your answer was goulash.

Well let's try again. Do you believe the law only applies to believers? Why or why not?

 

[Genez]

Do you even know what my point was?

You waste time.... Not redeeming it.

 

[Sipsey]

Well let's try again. Do you believe the law only applies to believers? Why or why not?

I didn’t say who did it apply to, I ask, “Who was it given to.” The Israelites were to be a bright burning candle of righteousness to the pagans. They were to live according to those laws and to model a lifestyle that would cause envy amongst the world. In other words, they were to evangelize the rest of the unsaved world. After their conversion, the Law would then Gude them. They kinda mostly failed, didn't they. That’s when Jesus came and offered an easier alternative.

 

[Rufus]

I didn’t say who did it apply to, I ask, “Who was it given to.” The Israelites were to be a bright burning candle of righteousness to the pagans. They were to live according to those laws and to model a lifestyle that would cause envy amongst the world. In other words, they were to evangelize the rest of the unsaved world. After their conversion, the Law would then Gude them. They kinda mostly failed, didn't they. That’s when Jesus came and offered an easier alternative .

Yeah...loving your enemies is piece of cake. Just as easy as not repaying evil for evil. Or just as easy as obeying the "golden rule". Just as easy as turning the other cheek, etc.

 

[Sipsey]

Yeah...loving your enemies is piece of cake. Just as easy as not repaying evil for evil. Or just as easy as obeying the "golden rule". Just as easy as turning the other cheek, etc.

It’s only possible when we are “Filled” with the Holy Spirit. I don’t think we are commanded to be saved, however, after salvation we are commanded to be filled with His Spirit.

 

[Cameron143]

I didn’t say who did it apply to, I ask, “Who was it given to.” The Israelites were to be a bright burning candle of righteousness to the pagans. They were to live according to those laws and to model a lifestyle that would cause envy amongst the world. In other words, they were to evangelize the rest of the unsaved world. After their conversion, the Law would then Gude them. They kinda mostly failed, didn't they. That’s when Jesus came and offered an easier alternative.

I see. It was actually the 1st century Jews in the early church who did bring the gospel to the known world at that time. So they were a light to the Gentiles. But I'm not sure that the purpose of the law was as you say; at least not by itself. It seems to me that a person doing justly, AND loving mercy, AND walking humbly before God would possibly provoke Gentiles to seek after God. The law by itself is able to bring one to Christ, but was always insufficient to live the life required by God.
At any rate, sorry for the misunderstanding. Grace and peace.

 

[Sipsey]

I see. It was actually the 1st century Jews in the early church who did bring the gospel to the known world at that time. So they were a light to the Gentiles. But I'm not sure that the purpose of the law was as you say; at least not by itself. It seems to me that a person doing justly, AND loving mercy, AND walking humbly before God would possibly provoke Gentiles to seek after God. The law by itself is able to bring one to Christ, but was always insufficient to live the life required by God.
At any rate, sorry for the misunderstanding. Grace and peace.

Same to you. It is sometimes difficult to convey complex matters in short sentences.

 

[Cameron143]

You waste time.... Not redeeming it.

In conversations with you I am prone to agree.