Asking the Father for his Spirit.

[sawdust]

Right... God is good though, so if you ask him for his spirit he will fill you with it and you can be sealed after, after you believe on his name (Jesus').

You don't have to ask. It is automatic when you are baptized in the Spirit. If the Spirit left us when we sinned then we could not grieve or quench Him for He would not be there.

Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

1 Thessalonians 5:19
Do not quench the Spirit.


To ask God now for the Spirit is an insult to His working in us. You are effectively saying He did not do what He promised He would when we believed on the Lord Jesus. You don't ask for a gift, it is given freely.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[sawdust]

Some of the Old Testament's personages had God's spirit-- e.g. Samson,
Saul, and David --but they weren't sealed with God's spirit: thus they were
always in danger of losing its abiding presence due to conduct unbecoming.

Although folks unified with Christ are in no danger of losing the Spirit's abiding
presence due to conduct unbecoming; they do risk quenching it. (1Thess 5:19)
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Yes, when we sin, if we do not apply 1John1:9 and confess our sin, we grieve the Spirit within us. If we continue to justify our sin, we will quench the Spirit. This is why we are commanded to be filled with the Spirit, not because He is no longer in us but because we are no longer walking under His influence but under the influence of the flesh.

Ephesians 5:18
And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,

 

[LeeLoving]

You don't have to ask. It is automatic when you are baptized in the Spirit. If the Spirit left us when we sinned then we could not grieve or quench Him for He would not be there.

Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

1 Thessalonians 5:19
Do not quench the Spirit.


To ask God now for the Spirit is an insult to His working in us. You are effectively saying He did not do what He promised He would when we believed on the Lord Jesus. You don't ask for a gift, it is given freely.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

You can still ask God for his Spirit, he is good and he will give it to you. If you aren't sure you can ask anyways and if you are sure it doesn't matter.

 

[Webers.Home]

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● 1Thess 5:19 . . Quench not the Spirit.

The Greek word translated "quench" basically means to extinguish.

Electric lighting didn't exist back in the Roman world so they had to resort to
lamps, oil pots, candles, and torches. Well; if perchance someone was
outside after sunset, and their source of illumination somehow lost its flame,
they'd be left to stumble their way around in the dark. Now that wouldn't be
too serious in town, but if somebody was traveling thru deep woods, they
were in very real danger of getting lost; and possibly attacked too.

Part of my training in the US Army involved night compass courses. I could see
well enough in the open areas to stay safe, but part of the courses took me
thru woods so dense I couldn't see my own nose. Well, my compass had
luminous dials and hands so I depended on them to keep me going in a
straight line, but had I lost that compass, I would've been out there all night
long walking in circles. Man that was spooky!
_

 

[sawdust]

You can still ask God for his Spirit, he is good and he will give it to you. If you aren't sure you can ask anyways and if you are sure it doesn't matter.

No you don't ask, you are insulting God by suggesting He doesn't keep His promise. You are never without the Spirit. It is the Spirit that seals you are causes your body to be a temple to God. The giving of the Spirit is a gift.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[sawdust]

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● 1Thess 5:19 . . Quench not the Spirit.

The Greek word translated "quench" basically means to extinguish.

Electric lighting didn't exist back in the Roman world so they had to resort to
lamps, oil pots, candles, and torches. Well; if perchance someone was
outside after sunset, and their source of illumination somehow lost its flame,
they'd be left to stumble their way around in the dark. Now that wouldn't be
too serious in town, but if somebody was traveling thru deep woods, they
were in very real danger of getting lost; and possibly attacked too.

Part of my training in the US Army involved night compass courses. I could see
well enough in the open areas to stay safe, but part of the courses took me
thru woods so dense I couldn't see my own nose. Well, my compass had
luminous dials and hands so I depended on them to keep me going in a
straight line, but had I lost that compass, I would've been out there all night
long walking in circles. Man that was spooky!
_

Yes, you extinguish His leading, you do not extinguish Him. It is why we are commanded to be filled or to walk by means of the Spirit.

You do not lose the Spirit, He doesn't go anywhere, He remains in you at all times therefore you never have to ask. The Spirit is God's gift to us so that we can live up to the high calling we have been called and He keeps us for the day of redemption.

 

[Lafftur]

You can still ask God for his Spirit, he is good and he will give it to you. If you aren't sure you can ask anyways and if you are sure it doesn't matter.

Yes, I agree with you. It is not an insult to ask God for His Holy Spirit.

We are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we believe and receive Jesus Christ as Savior Lord and King. However, there is a baptism with the Holy Spirit that empowers the believer to be Jesus’ witness.

In Acts 19, Paul ask the believers if they have received the Holy Spirit baptism AFTER they believed…

And it happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the inland country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples. And he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”

And they said, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?”

They said, “Into John's baptism.” And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking in tongues and prophesying. There were about twelve men in all.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passag...9.4,Acts.19.5,Acts.19.6,Acts.19.7&version=ESV

 

[LeeLoving]

I'm not trying to argue or anything, but God is good and if you ask for his spirit he will give you it, just like John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb. It might be someone's first step towards being saved, since it can be an effort to believe on Jesus' name.

 

[sawdust]

Yes, I agree with you. It is not an insult to ask God for His Holy Spirit.

We are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we believe and receive Jesus Christ as Savior Lord and King. However, there is a baptism with the Holy Spirit that empowers the believer to be Jesus’ witness.

In Acts 19, Paul ask the believers if they have received the Holy Spirit baptism AFTER they believed…

And it happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the inland country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples. And he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”

And they said, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?”

They said, “Into John's baptism.” And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking in tongues and prophesying. There were about twelve men in all.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passag...9.4,Acts.19.5,Acts.19.6,Acts.19.7&version=ESV

And did they ask? No, the Spirit came according to the promise. It is an insult to ask God for what He has already gifted us and promises to gift those who believe. You should read that passage again as to why they did not have the Spirit as they needed to be told to believe in the one who came after John. These disciples were not followers of Christ but of John the Baptist.

 

[sawdust]

I'm not trying to argue or anything, but God is good and if you ask for his spirit he will give you it, just like John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb. It might be someone's first step towards being saved, since it can be an effort to believe on Jesus' name.

And it would seem you're not trying to learn what the scriptures are telling you either.

 

[Webers.Home]

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I was baptized an infant into Roman Catholicism and anon attended enough
catechism to complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation. The classes
were very effective at instilling within me an unshakable anxiety relative to Hell
and the hereafter.

But my teachers somehow failed to introduce Christ's crucifixion as a fail
safe protection from retribution. Instead, I came away from all that training
sincerely believing the poor slob was a victim of rather unfortunate
circumstances, never once suspecting in the slightest that the supreme
being was thinking of me when His son went to the cross.

Long story short: with the help of a Protestant friend, I came to realize that
God would like an RSVP from me telling Him I would like to take advantage
of His son's death.

At my friend's urging, I went to his little church where I informed the pastor
why I was there that day. So along with him, my friend, and one of the
church's elders we went down to the rail where I spoke up and told God
exactly what was on my mind.

An unbearable sense of relief often washes over folks who manage to
survive a life-threatening ordeal. Well; I am not an emotional kind of guy,
but I had just dodged a very, very big bullet and the relief I felt was so
overwhelming that it made me break down and weep like a small child.

I was not given the gift of tongues, nor of prophecy, nor any of the other
fancy garnish that comes with some people's conversion. But I'm okay with
that because the removal of my anxiety relative to Hell and the hereafter
was enough.
_

 

[jacko]

.
I was baptized an infant into Roman Catholicism and anon attended enough
catechism to complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation. The classes
were very effective at instilling within me an unshakable anxiety relative to Hell
and the hereafter.

But my teachers somehow failed to introduce Christ's crucifixion as a fail
safe protection from retribution. Instead, I came away from all that training
sincerely believing the poor slob was a victim of rather unfortunate
circumstances, never once suspecting in the slightest that the supreme
being was thinking of me when His son went to the cross.

Long story short: with the help of a Protestant friend, I came to realize that
God would like an RSVP from me telling Him I would like to take advantage
of His son's death.

At my friend's urging, I went to his little church where I informed the pastor
why I was there that day. So along with him, my friend, and one of the
church's elders we went down to the rail where I spoke up and told God
exactly what was on my mind.

An unbearable sense of relief often washes over folks who manage to
survive a life-threatening ordeal. Well; I am not an emotional kind of guy,
but I had just dodged a very, very big bullet and the relief I felt was so
overwhelming that it made me break down and weep like a small child.

I was not given the gift of tongues, nor of prophecy, nor any of the other
fancy garnish that comes with some people's conversion. But I'm okay with
that because the removal of my anxiety relative to Hell and the hereafter
was enough.
_

Praise God, thank you for sharing your testimony. One common dominator is the weeping when one meets the Lord.

 

[Webers.Home]

One common dominator is the weeping when one meets the Lord.

People break down for a variety of reasons.

For people handicapped with too much IQ and/or a superiority complex, it's
a crushing blow to their self esteem to have to approach the supreme being
as a sinner just as much in need of Christ's crucifixion as the folks they
despise below themselves. Well; it's not easy but some do manage to bite
the bullet and get through it.

● 1Cor 1:26 . . Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not
many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not
many were of noble birth.
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[sawdust]

.
I was baptized an infant into Roman Catholicism and anon attended enough
catechism to complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation. The classes
were very effective at instilling within me an unshakable anxiety relative to Hell
and the hereafter.

But my teachers somehow failed to introduce Christ's crucifixion as a fail
safe protection from retribution. Instead, I came away from all that training
sincerely believing the poor slob was a victim of rather unfortunate
circumstances, never once suspecting in the slightest that the supreme
being was thinking of me when His son went to the cross.

Long story short: with the help of a Protestant friend, I came to realize that
God would like an RSVP from me telling Him I would like to take advantage
of His son's death.

At my friend's urging, I went to his little church where I informed the pastor
why I was there that day. So along with him, my friend, and one of the
church's elders we went down to the rail where I spoke up and told God
exactly what was on my mind.

An unbearable sense of relief often washes over folks who manage to
survive a life-threatening ordeal. Well; I am not an emotional kind of guy,
but I had just dodged a very, very big bullet and the relief I felt was so
overwhelming that it made me break down and weep like a small child.

I was not given the gift of tongues, nor of prophecy, nor any of the other
fancy garnish that comes with some people's conversion. But I'm okay with
that because the removal of my anxiety relative to Hell and the hereafter
was enough.
_

John 3:17
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Amen.

grace and peace

 

[DJT_47]

We need not ask for the Spirit as it's given freely of God to those who are baptized into the body of Christ. Acts 2:38

 

[jacko]

We need not ask for the Spirit as it's given freely of God to those who are baptized into the body of Christ. Acts 2:38

Can we ask for MORE of the spirit. I want to be consumed with spirit. =)

 

[sawdust]

Can we ask for MORE of the spirit. I want to be consumed with spirit. =)

God doesn't come in piecemeal fashion.

 

[Webers.Home]

Can we ask for MORE of the spirit.

When people buy into Christ's crucifixion to escape retribution, God places
them in His family circle by means of adoption; which, for practical
purposes, binds Him to them as a source of comfort, companionship, love,
and providence. That's a tremendous advantage.

Now; you would never allow a know-it-all bystander to dictate how you and
your natural father relate because they'd be meddling in something that's
none of their cotton-pickin' business.

So: you go right ahead and speak with your care-giver in Heaven about
obtaining a larger amount of the Spirit because that's between Him and you
and nobody else. God speed and throttle up!
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[Lafftur]

And did they ask? No, the Spirit came according to the promise. It is an insult to ask God for what He has already gifted us and promises to gift those who believe. You should read that passage again as to why they did not have the Spirit as they needed to be told to believe in the one who came after John. These disciples were not followers of Christ but of John the Baptist.

According to Acts Chapter 19, it does seem as if the disciples that Paul encountered were still waiting on the One that John the Baptist said would come after him, which is Jesus Christ.

They had been waiting quite a while… how did they miss Jesus Christ preaching in the synagogues, getting thrown out of the synagogues, healing the sick, casting out demons, raising the dead…

Well, even Paul had missed the Messiah and was killing Jewish brethren that were believers in this “New Covenant” in Yeshua Jesus Christ.

Which is very appropriate that it was Paul that got to baptize these Jewish believers in the Holy Spirit by the laying on of his hands.

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized?

And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passag...9.3,Acts.19.4,Acts.19.5,Acts.19.6&version=KJV

 

[Lafftur]

According to Acts Chapter 19, it does seem as if the disciples that Paul encountered were still waiting on the One that John the Baptist said would come after him, which is Jesus Christ.

They had been waiting quite a while… how did they miss Jesus Christ preaching in the synagogues, getting thrown out of the synagogues, healing the sick, casting out demons, raising the dead…

Well, even Paul had missed the Messiah and was killing Jewish brethren that were believers in this “New Covenant” in Yeshua Jesus Christ.

Which is very appropriate that it was Paul that got to baptize these Jewish believers in the Holy Spirit by the laying on of his hands.

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized?

And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passag...9.3,Acts.19.4,Acts.19.5,Acts.19.6&version=KJV

Hey @sawdust

What do you think about these new believers in Jesus speaking with tongues?