Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[HeIsHere]

An acquaintance of mine sent me this video. The Youtuber is a former Christian, but he provides clear facts that expose Trump's false claims that cannot be ignored...

Did Trump say the state had laws permitting infanticide, no he did not.

So your Youtuber looking for clicks is a liar too btw...

 

[Cameron143]

The Covenant was made between God and all life that is on the Earth.

9 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.
6 “Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.
7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it.”
8 Then Godim: 9 “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”
12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”
17 So God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all life on the earth.”

Sure, but it was unilateral. God established it and put it into effect. Unlike Sinai, He didn't ask anyone to assent to it. There were stipulations, but there were no sanctions.

 

[Cameron143]

God’s covenant to Abraham was unilateral.

He put Abraham into a deep sleep, and passed through the split animal pieces HIMSELF.

Agree. All covenants of grace are between God the Father and God the Son, with 3rd party benefits.

 

[ZNP]

Do they do that? I doubt many would say they do. Most of what you hear around here is how corrupt governments are. Despite governments failing to keep their end of the covenant (according to what you say), God will keep His promise to mankind and all life.

Actually the biggest help has been the death penalty. We have made huge advancements in law enforcement from fingerprints to trace evidence to DNA because of the death penalty. It was estimated that hundreds of years ago a third of those in prison were innocent, now it is less than 5%.

 

[ZNP]

Sure, but it was unilateral. God established it and put it into effect. Unlike Sinai, He didn't ask anyone to assent to it. There were stipulations, but there were no sanctions.

There was a promise, if you keep the covenant you will not be destroyed, that was the point of the rainbow. It was all colors indicating that it applied to all peoples. Armageddon and the great tribulation is what will happen to those that did not keep the covenant.

Jesus went to the cross all on His own, however, if we receive this covenant we receive the promises and the blessings.

 

[Magenta]

Actually the biggest help has been the death penalty. We have made huge advancements in law enforcement from fingerprints to trace evidence to DNA because of the death penalty. It was estimated that hundreds of years ago a third of those in prison were innocent, now it is less than 5%.

I see. The governments are not corrupt after all. Ok. The justice system works. Eh. I doubt many would agree.

In fact even you seem to spend a lot of time saying the opposite.

 

[ZNP]

I see. The governments are not corrupt after all. Ok. The justice system works. Eh. I doubt many would agree.

In fact even you seem to spend a lot of time saying the opposite.

I condemn sin, not the government. I believe that all men are to be subject to the authority, in this country that means the US constitution. So if the government officials are not subject to the US constitution I call them out. I have said repeatedly that there is salvation in no other name than Jesus. No candidate running for president or any other government position is going to bring salvation. Now they might bring retribution, but not salvation.

I have also said that I do not believe we will have an election in November, rather I believe God's judgment on this nation will come prior to the election.

 

[Cameron143]

There was a promise, if you keep the covenant you will not be destroyed, that was the point of the rainbow. It was all colors indicating that it applied to all peoples. Armageddon and the great tribulation is what will happen to those that did not keep the covenant.

Jesus went to the cross all on His own, however, if we receive this covenant we receive the promises and the blessings.

The Noatic covenant had stipulations, but no sanctions for not not keeping the stipulations. This is very different from the covenant God of made with Israel. Not only were there stipulations, but considerable sanctions.

 

[ZNP]

The Noatic covenant had stipulations, but no sanctions for not not keeping the stipulations. This is very different from the covenant God of made with Israel. Not only were there stipulations, but considerable sanctions.

God says He was making a covenant, I'm going with God on this.

 

[Cameron143]

God says He was making a covenant, I'm going with God on this.

I didn't say there was no covenant. I said the covenant contained no sanctions and was therefore unilateral.
You have yet to show from scripture any sanctions attached to the covenant.

 

[ZNP]

I didn't say there was no covenant. I said the covenant contained no sanctions and was therefore unilateral.
You have yet to show from scripture any sanctions attached to the covenant.

You said there was no covenant by which God was dealing with the nations, I said they were guided by the Noah covenant. God had destroyed all the nations with the flood then promised not to do it again provided they treat murder honestly and faithfully. If they violate that then He in turn promises to destroy them, not by water but by fire.

Also in the book of Acts we are told that God raises up various nations and leaders of nations as He pleases.

We also know that He uses these nations to punish His children when they refuse to obey Him.

Then in the book of revelation we hear the angels proclaim the eternal gospel. That is not the gospel of grace, but rather the gospel that if you treat others well you too will be treated well. They don't get saved, but they can be the sheep that inherit the kingdom that was from the beginning of creation. Believers inherit the kingdom from before the creation.

 

[Cameron143]

You said there was no covenant by which God was dealing with the nations, I said they were guided by the Noah covenant. God had destroyed all the nations with the flood then promised not to do it again provided they treat murder honestly and faithfully. If they violate that then He in turn promises to destroy them, not by water but by fire.

What verses do you get that from?

 

[ZNP]

What verses do you get that from?

2 Peter 3:6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

This is also in the book of Enoch. The Bible is our covenant with God, both the Old and New covenants. It is not God's covenant with the world. So the fact that the Old Covenant does not mention this is not conclusive. The book of Enoch is quoted by three different writers of the Bible so it is clearly an authentic word of God. However, the parts that are not quoted are not part of our covenant. It is relevant to our covenant which is why we see this in 2 Peter and in the book of Revelation.

In the OT and NT we see that God raises up nations and leaders to do His bidding when dealing with His children because that is relevant to our covenant. He describes using Babylon and Assyria as a father might use a switch on his wayward son.

 

[Cameron143]

2 Peter 3:6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

This is also in the book of Enoch. The Bible is our covenant with God, both the Old and New covenants. It is not God's covenant with the world. So the fact that the Old Covenant does not mention this is not conclusive. The book of Enoch is quoted by three different writers of the Bible so it is clearly an authentic word of God. However, the parts that are not quoted are not part of our covenant. It is relevant to our covenant which is why we see this in 2 Peter and in the book of Revelation.

In the OT and NT we see that God raises up nations and leaders to do His bidding when dealing with His children because that is relevant to our covenant. He describes using Babylon and Assyria as a father might use a switch on his wayward son.

If it was part of the covenant, it would be found with and in the establishment of the covenant.

 

[ZNP]

If it was part of the covenant, it would be found with and in the establishment of the covenant.

The OT is a marriage contract between God and the Jews, why would it be there? The New Testament is a marriage contract between Jesus and the nations, hence it is relevant that we let them know their world will be destroyed in fire and that now is the time to choose Jesus. Enoch gives the judgment on the fallen angels and so it is relevant since some that reject God will be sent to the Lake of Fire that was made for the fallen angels.

 

[ResidentAlien]

It's pretty obvious at this point that the Donald has abandoned all pretense of running a presidential campaign and has decided to run a disinformation campaign. If he wins, it will be because he terrified enough voters into believing if they don't elect him every bad thing they can imagine will actually happen. Doesn't matter what Harris says, if you believe the world will end if Trump's not elected I guess you'll vote to keep the world from ending.

 

[Magenta]

It's pretty obvious at this point that the Donald has abandoned all pretense of running a presidential campaign and has decided to run a disinformation campaign. If he wins, it will be because he terrified enough voters into believing if they don't elect him every bad thing they can imagine will actually happen. Doesn't matter what Harris says, if you believe the world will end if Trump's not elected I guess you'll vote to keep the world from ending.

Or people vote for Trump to try to stem the tide of innocent blood being washed down the drains
of abortion clinics, and/or to stem to tide of illegal immigrants flooding into the country.

 

[Cameron143]

The OT is a marriage contract between God and the Jews, why would it be there? The New Testament is a marriage contract between Jesus and the nations, hence it is relevant that we let them know their world will be destroyed in fire and that now is the time to choose Jesus. Enoch gives the judgment on the fallen angels and so it is relevant since some that reject God will be sent to the Lake of Fire that was made for the fallen angels.

The old covenant was indeed between God and Israel, but the new covenant is between God the Father and God the Son.

All covenants of grace find their fulfillment in Christ.

The old covenant was left unfulfilled. The nation Israel never lived up to the terms of the old covenant; thus, God ended the covenant. But there were sanctions promised as a part of the covenant. God could not simply end the covenant without first sanctioning Israel for their failure to fulfill the stipulations of the covenant. Hence, the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.

Contrary to contemporary concensus, the book of Revelation was not written to tell predominantly of the end of time. Rather, it was written to convey what was at hand in the ending of the old covenant.

 

[ZNP]

It's pretty obvious at this point that the Donald has abandoned all pretense of running a presidential campaign and has decided to run a disinformation campaign. If he wins, it will be because he terrified enough voters into believing if they don't elect him every bad thing they can imagine will actually happen. Doesn't matter what Harris says, if you believe the world will end if Trump's not elected I guess you'll vote to keep the world from ending.

you should get help.

 

[cv5]

The old covenant was indeed between God and Israel, but the new covenant is between God the Father and God the Son.

All covenants of grace find their fulfillment in Christ.

The old covenant was left unfulfilled. The nation Israel never lived up to the terms of the old covenant; thus, God ended the covenant. But there were sanctions promised as a part of the covenant. God could not simply end the covenant without first sanctioning Israel for their failure to fulfill the stipulations of the covenant. Hence, the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.

Contrary to contemporary concensus, the book of Revelation was not written to tell predominantly of the end of time. Rather, it was written to convey what was at hand in the ending of the old covenant.

1Co 13:10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Gods "perfect" plan of salvation MUST include His purposed raising of the nation Israel. And the Law.
Because God does not make mistakes, this was the only correct perfect way.

And the fall of 1/3 angels, fall of Adam, Israels failure? Yes, they are part of the plan. How exactly? That is within the purview of the Trinity and is waaaaay past our pay grade.

So.....efforts at separating/parsing out ANY parameter of the Scripture from any other will doubtless end in disaster and produce heresies.

I would suggest that we refrain from harsh judgements. Especially upon Israel.
The truth is that we are eternally in their debt! Especially given how they have suffered in all of their trials.