Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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Cameron143

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The thing is.........Rom 11:12 is so obvious and self-explainatory, that NO CHRISTIAN could possibly fail to comprehed the intended message. Yet, you feel the need to ask.

Bummer.
Okay, oh wise one then it should be simple: what is the fulness of the Jews? Is it similar to or related to the fulness of the Gentiles? When is the fulness of the Jews?
 

Kroogz

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Okay, oh wise one then it should be simple: what is the fulness of the Jews? Is it similar to or related to the fulness of the Gentiles? When is the fulness of the Jews?
This is simple.

The fullness of the Jews~~The millennial Kingdom.

The fullness of the gentiles~~the pre trib Rapture.

When/ fullness of the Jews~~The second coming of Christ. End of the tribulation. When Christ comes back with His Bride(the church.)
 

Cameron143

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This is simple.

The fullness of the Jews~~The millennial Kingdom.

The fullness of the gentiles~~the pre trib Rapture.

When/ fullness of the Jews~~The second coming of Christ. End of the tribulation. When Christ comes back with His Bride(the church.)
Are Jews being saved now?
And the comparison in the verses is between fulness of 2 groups. From those verses how do you conclude it is in different times and in different ways?
Also, what covenant exists that allows for God to deal differently with different groups of people? Are Jews under a different covenant than Gentiles?
 

cv5

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This is simple.

The fullness of the Jews~~The millennial Kingdom.

The fullness of the gentiles~~the pre trib Rapture.

When/ fullness of the Jews~~The second coming of Christ. End of the tribulation. When Christ comes back with His Bride(the church.)
Even the Geico caveman knows this.....
@Cameron143 ....not so much.
 

Cameron143

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Even the Geico caveman knows that would be a total waste of time.
I doubt a Christian caveman would see sharing truth from the word of God to be a waste of time. But if you ever come to the point where you would like to break down the book of Romans into its parts and follow the logical arguments Paul makes, let me know.
 

cv5

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I doubt a Christian caveman would see sharing truth from the word of God to be a waste of time. But if you ever come to the point where you would like to break down the book of Romans into its parts and follow the logical arguments Paul makes, let me know.
The thing is.....YOU need to break it down. Not me. I already know.

You might as well start with Rom 11:12. Thats a gem. Causes amils to have a nervous breakdown.
We are waiting captain caveman. Time for you to either thrill us or chill us or red pill us.
 

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Those polls are flawed, they don't take into account dead people nor do they properly weight the votes the same way the Dominion machines do with their algorithms. The best fraud department in the history of US presidential elections, properly motivated with the threat of being sent to the gallows for treason can do remarkable, terrible and criminal things, but remarkable nonetheless.
Uh oh! This poll does take into account the dead who vote as well as the algorithm that weighs votes for Kamala heavier than those for Trump.


For some reason Harris' message that "I am not Joe Biden" does not seem to be resonating with voters.

Harris is calling on her supporters to come forward and make her case. It is difficult to find any who will do that for free but they did find some former congresswoman who was voted out of office for supporting her. Liz Cheney the daughter of the famous Star Wars villain will be going on MSNBC to explain why the empire has picked Kamala Harris and why they have been using the Death Star to wipe out the Republican strongholds of Ashville and Florida.
 

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My little reaction emotions still aren't working, but I would give this a winning vote if I could!
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PennEd

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If you are Democrat parent, this is now what you have to explain to your kids.

You have to explain the birds & the bees.
The bees & the bees. The birds & the birds. The birds that used to be bees. The bees that used to be birds.
The birds that look like bees and the bees that look like birds but still got a stinger.

If it could save the sanity of single child, for God’s sake, DONT be a democrat!!!
 

cv5

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The thing is.....YOU need to break it down. Not me. I already know.

You might as well start with Rom 11:12. Thats a gem. Causes amils to have a nervous breakdown.
We are waiting captain caveman. Time for you to either thrill us or chill us or red pill us.
@Cameron143 :
Slight modification to my statement:

"The thing is.....YOU need to break it down. Not me, as I have already defined my position"
Because, as you know, I have agreed with @Kroogz and his synopsis.

So we are ALL EARS waiting to hear what YOU have to say about Romans 11:12.
And for YOUR sake, let us limit the parameters to this verse alone. Gonna make your job a whole lot easier.
And leave you with no excuses too.
 

Cameron143

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The thing is.....YOU need to break it down. Not me. I already know.

You might as well start with Rom 11:12. Thats a gem. Causes amils to have a nervous breakdown.
We are waiting captain caveman. Time for you to either thrill us or chill us or red pill us.
I'll get you started.
In chapters 5-8, Paul is speaking to the subject of assurance. He begins Chapter 5 showing how this is true through the work and person of the Father. As he works through the chapter, he moves from the Father to Christ and how this is made manifest in His words and works.
In chapters 6 and 7, Paul anticipates questions that arise as a result of what he has shared. Chapter 6 deals with grace and license, and chapter 7 deals with the purpose of the law.
In chapter 8, the Apostle again picks up the theme of assurance as mediated through the Holy Spirit, and ends with a resounding crescendo of the love of God for His people.
In chapters 9-11, Paul anticipates questions concerning the Jewish people. Where do they fit into the new covenant, especially since all Jews are not being saved? So Paul addresses the issue. All Jews were never all saved, but only a remnant. All of Israel is not the Israel of God. Only those who were actually saved were ever truly the people of God.
So far from being excluded in the new covenant, they actually exemplify the new covenant and have all along. Just as the Gentiles started small and are growing, so too will the Jews begin small and will grow as a part of the church. And there will come a time when all the Gentiles will come into the kingdom, so there will be a time when the Jews in large number will be represented in the church. But all this is done without a partition between Jew and Greek, but only the new man in Christ exists.
 

cv5

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I'll get you started.
In chapters 5-8, Paul is speaking to the subject of assurance. He begins Chapter 5 showing how this is true through the work and person of the Father. As he works through the chapter, he moves from the Father to Christ and how this is made manifest in His words and works.
In chapters 6 and 7, Paul anticipates questions that arise as a result of what he has shared. Chapter 6 deals with grace and license, and chapter 7 deals with the purpose of the law.
In chapter 8, the Apostle again picks up the theme of assurance as mediated through the Holy Spirit, and ends with a resounding crescendo of the love of God for His people.
In chapters 9-11, Paul anticipates questions concerning the Jewish people. Where do they fit into the new covenant, especially since all Jews are not being saved? So Paul addresses the issue. All Jews were never all saved, but only a remnant. All of Israel is not the Israel of God. Only those who were actually saved were ever truly the people of God.
So far from being excluded in the new covenant, they actually exemplify the new covenant and have all along. Just as the Gentiles started small and are growing, so too will the Jews begin small and will grow as a part of the church. And there will come a time when all the Gentiles will come into the kingdom, so there will be a time when the Jews in large number will be represented in the church. But all this is done without a partition between Jew and Greek, but only the new man in Christ exists.
No, you've got that all wrong.

@Kroogz nailed it tidily in about 4 line items. Good job buddy.