Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
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Mt 12: 31-32:
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
Tell me, then what does, "not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come," mean to you?
Or Heb 6: 4-6:
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
Is someone who is enlightened and who is a partaker of the Holy Spirit an unsaved person?
And again, in Rev 22: 19:
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
And finally, in 1 Jn 5: 16-17:
"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death."
That's like saying there is no rapture in scripture, but it does say that we will be "caught up," so when we say rapture, we're talking about the event in scripture described as being caught up; as seen in 1 Thes 4: 13- 18:
"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
Tell me, then what does, "not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come," mean to you?
Or Heb 6: 4-6:
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
Is someone who is enlightened and who is a partaker of the Holy Spirit an unsaved person?
And again, in Rev 22: 19:
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
And finally, in 1 Jn 5: 16-17:
"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death."
That's like saying there is no rapture in scripture, but it does say that we will be "caught up," so when we say rapture, we're talking about the event in scripture described as being caught up; as seen in 1 Thes 4: 13- 18:
"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
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I found this article on gotquestions.org
https://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html
None of your citations actually say that there is an unpardonable sin; if unpardonable means unable to be ever pardoned.
You ask, "Tell me, then what does, "not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come," mean to you?"
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven (at the mpment I die on the cross) unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men (at the mpment I die on the cross) . And whosoever is speaking a word against the Son of man (during my ministry leading up to my death) , it shall be forgiven him (at the mpment I die on the cross) : but whosoever is speaking (in this world or the next) against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him (while He continues to do so) , neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
Jesus was speaking before the atonement, looking forward to the time He would propitiate for our (church's) sins, and not for ours only but for the sins of the whole world. I think Jesus is saying that His coming propitiation will provide blanket forgiveness for "all manner of sin and blasphemy". But a blanket forgiveness for inventing lying excuses for rejecting the Holy Spirit's clear testimony to Jesus as God's chosen mouthpiece and Ruler will not provided in the atonement. That is the one sin that must be repented of before it can be forgiven.
There is no unpardonable sin: a sin that cannot ever be pardoned. There is one unpardoned sin (one sin not covered and already forgiven in rhe atonement).. Clearly, no on who rejects and lies about the Holy Spirit's cleat testimony to them that Jesus is God's appointed leader and spokesman, cannot enter and dwell in the kingdom community ruled ove by Him..
You ask, "Tell me, then what does, "not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come," mean to you?"
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven (at the mpment I die on the cross) unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men (at the mpment I die on the cross) . And whosoever is speaking a word against the Son of man (during my ministry leading up to my death) , it shall be forgiven him (at the mpment I die on the cross) : but whosoever is speaking (in this world or the next) against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him (while He continues to do so) , neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
Jesus was speaking before the atonement, looking forward to the time He would propitiate for our (church's) sins, and not for ours only but for the sins of the whole world. I think Jesus is saying that His coming propitiation will provide blanket forgiveness for "all manner of sin and blasphemy". But a blanket forgiveness for inventing lying excuses for rejecting the Holy Spirit's clear testimony to Jesus as God's chosen mouthpiece and Ruler will not provided in the atonement. That is the one sin that must be repented of before it can be forgiven.
There is no unpardonable sin: a sin that cannot ever be pardoned. There is one unpardoned sin (one sin not covered and already forgiven in rhe atonement).. Clearly, no on who rejects and lies about the Holy Spirit's cleat testimony to them that Jesus is God's appointed leader and spokesman, cannot enter and dwell in the kingdom community ruled ove by Him..
What is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that can not be forgiven as mentioned by Jesus in Luke 12:8-12? Understand that Satan will be cast out of heaven, Rev 12:7-9, and come to earth claiming to be God, II The 2:3-4. He will deceive many into worshipping him by performing great signs and wonders, Rev 13:13-14. God's elect know that Satan will come first, before Jesus, pretending to be him. They will make the stand against him which will cause them to be delivered up, Eph 6:11-13. They will testify against Satan and will expose his lies with the Holy Spirit speaking through them, Mark 13:9-11. For one of God's elect to be delivered up before Satan, knowing who he is, and NOT allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through them is the unforgivable sin. They are denying God before men by doing so.
1 Timothy 1:12-14 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, that He considered me
faithful and appointed me to service. I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and a violent man;
yet because I had acted in ignorance and unbelief, I was shown mercy. And the grace of our Lord
overflowed to me, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
faithful and appointed me to service. I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and a violent man;
yet because I had acted in ignorance and unbelief, I was shown mercy. And the grace of our Lord
overflowed to me, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
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This will open a can of worms. I still have never found a can of worms made one for fishing. Why not a can of corn or can of beans.. ooh can of pears.. yeah right? Ok now we want to open that can and just dive right in.. mmmm
If blasphemy against the holy spirit is the works of Christ then many here have done it. The ones He was talking to were right there face to face seeing it happen. One would have to know exactly what your doing and you are not one that is for Christ. I could be wrong but I do not believe its someone that denies the gifts are today or they attack make fun of or just don't agree with those that the gifts are being used with. The closer at least for me I get to Him the word "hell" hurts. He never just tosses it out there ever like His kids do. No books have been open no one standing before God to be judged. Then where does it say that sin that is not forgiven means your lost forever? Some say the same things about lukewarm or blotted out yet in both cases no one has been spit out and no one has been blotted out. Then we have the lambs book and no one is ever talked about being taken out of it.
Well you and I were written in that book before the foundation of the world. Think how many believe they are so alone and no one knows them.. yet they will die and be standing there and so many generations that came before them.. were watching them.. cheering them on .. to keep going. Then knowing every angel there.. shouted rejoiced when He found you.
So when you look out over this sinful world what do you see? Do you know what He sees? He cries and cries because no one I mean no one knows how much He loves them. He not you not me He created all things.. that hell we so easily toss out means He will never ever see them again. Hell is not the final ending place. Praise GOD that most are blind and if blind would have no sin. You say you see your sin remains.
If blasphemy against the holy spirit is the works of Christ then many here have done it. The ones He was talking to were right there face to face seeing it happen. One would have to know exactly what your doing and you are not one that is for Christ. I could be wrong but I do not believe its someone that denies the gifts are today or they attack make fun of or just don't agree with those that the gifts are being used with. The closer at least for me I get to Him the word "hell" hurts. He never just tosses it out there ever like His kids do. No books have been open no one standing before God to be judged. Then where does it say that sin that is not forgiven means your lost forever? Some say the same things about lukewarm or blotted out yet in both cases no one has been spit out and no one has been blotted out. Then we have the lambs book and no one is ever talked about being taken out of it.
Well you and I were written in that book before the foundation of the world. Think how many believe they are so alone and no one knows them.. yet they will die and be standing there and so many generations that came before them.. were watching them.. cheering them on .. to keep going. Then knowing every angel there.. shouted rejoiced when He found you.
So when you look out over this sinful world what do you see? Do you know what He sees? He cries and cries because no one I mean no one knows how much He loves them. He not you not me He created all things.. that hell we so easily toss out means He will never ever see them again. Hell is not the final ending place. Praise GOD that most are blind and if blind would have no sin. You say you see your sin remains.
For myself, I never add to scripture to make it say what I want it to say; so it fits my personal theology. To me, that's putting my own mind above the the Lord's mind, which your adding; (while he continues to do so) and (at the moment I die on the cross); DOES! All of scripture must agree with my understanding or my theology for me to be correct, not just my favorite passages. In 1 Cor 8: 2, we're told, "And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know."
I consider, Rom 3: 4, to be an axiom for truth in this world: "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
If you insist on adding your opinion to scripture, let's just agree to disagree...
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"Wherefore I say to you would-be immigrants, 'All manner of crimes and lies will be forgiven to you, but breaking border entry regulations shall not be forgiven to you. And whoever might have mischaracterised me as President, it shall be forgiven to him, but whoever might have mischaracterised our just border laws shall not be forgiven, neither in this my first term in office, nor in my next term." "
Does this necessarily mean that breaking or lying about border regulations during one failed illegal entry attempt disqualifies someone from applying and gaining legal entry after they have been repatriated to their country of origin ? Is there wiggle-room in that language for an immigration lawyer to argue reasonably that a person who has been formerly repatriated for illegally crossing the border, may nevertheless later apply through legal channels from outside the country and have a real possibility of being accepted?
The import of the above edict will depend upon the character of the President, whether he is a man who is "a hard man, reaping where he has not sown, and gathering where he has not scattered" (Matt. 25:24-28), who ; or a man who is gracious and full of compassion, Slow to anger and great in mercy" (Ps. 145:8).
Does the above edict mean this? No one is excluded from being accepted into the country, regardless of their past criminal record, except for those who are trying to cross the border without legal authorisation, or are in the country because they crossed the border without legal authorisation; and those who are inciting others to enter the country without legal authorisation. But someone evicted for illegal entry, or inciting illegal entry, may still apply for entry from outside the country and may, nevertheless, despite having previously broken immigration laws, be granted entry into the country, if they tick all the right boxes. This same merciful policy applies during both of the President's first and second terms.
Or does it mean this? No one is excluded from being accepted into the country, regardless of their past criminal record, except for those who are trying to cross the border without legal authorisation, or are in the country because they crossed the border without legal authorisation; and those who are inciting others to enter the country without legal authorisation. And someone evicted for illegal entry, or inciting illegal entry, will never be considered in future for entry from outside the country and will never be granted entry into the country, even if they correctly tick all other boxes. This is a permanent stringently applied consequence for the single crime, and will apply to the illegal immigrant throughout both of the President's first and second terms.
Does this necessarily mean that breaking or lying about border regulations during one failed illegal entry attempt disqualifies someone from applying and gaining legal entry after they have been repatriated to their country of origin ? Is there wiggle-room in that language for an immigration lawyer to argue reasonably that a person who has been formerly repatriated for illegally crossing the border, may nevertheless later apply through legal channels from outside the country and have a real possibility of being accepted?
The import of the above edict will depend upon the character of the President, whether he is a man who is "a hard man, reaping where he has not sown, and gathering where he has not scattered" (Matt. 25:24-28), who ; or a man who is gracious and full of compassion, Slow to anger and great in mercy" (Ps. 145:8).
Does the above edict mean this? No one is excluded from being accepted into the country, regardless of their past criminal record, except for those who are trying to cross the border without legal authorisation, or are in the country because they crossed the border without legal authorisation; and those who are inciting others to enter the country without legal authorisation. But someone evicted for illegal entry, or inciting illegal entry, may still apply for entry from outside the country and may, nevertheless, despite having previously broken immigration laws, be granted entry into the country, if they tick all the right boxes. This same merciful policy applies during both of the President's first and second terms.
Or does it mean this? No one is excluded from being accepted into the country, regardless of their past criminal record, except for those who are trying to cross the border without legal authorisation, or are in the country because they crossed the border without legal authorisation; and those who are inciting others to enter the country without legal authorisation. And someone evicted for illegal entry, or inciting illegal entry, will never be considered in future for entry from outside the country and will never be granted entry into the country, even if they correctly tick all other boxes. This is a permanent stringently applied consequence for the single crime, and will apply to the illegal immigrant throughout both of the President's first and second terms.
Is unbelief the unpardonable sin?
Unbelief in The Power of The Holy Spirit Is Unforgivable. The role of the Holy Spirit is to convict the believer of sin. If a person denies the power of the Holy Spirit, then there is no power that can bring a person to repentance.May 8, 2022
Unbelief in The Power of The Holy Spirit Is Unforgivable. The role of the Holy Spirit is to convict the believer of sin. If a person denies the power of the Holy Spirit, then there is no power that can bring a person to repentance.May 8, 2022
Dying in unbelief is not a sin, because dying isn't a sin. Jesus died on a cross. The sin is unbelief, and it is forgivable for those who repent and have faith in Christ.
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin. Blaspheme does not mean unbelief. It has to do with speaking evil of. The version in Matthew clarifies that speaking a word against Him will not be forgiven. The case there was people accusing Jesus of casting out devils by Beelzebub, while in reality the Spirit behind these works is the Holy Spirit.
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I sure do hope for us all seeing Matthew 5:20
Living Bible
“But I warn you—unless your goodness[a] is greater than that of the Pharisees and other Jewish leaders, you can’t get into the Kingdom of Heaven at all!
Belief to God , And Jesus as risen gives righteous living and one does righteously by trust, Faith given them, which is belief, to God personally, thank you, each , gets to choose to believe God in risen Son or not. I see to not take away anyone's free choice do you?
I can only lead others to water, but is up to them to drink it freely
Living Bible
“But I warn you—unless your goodness[a] is greater than that of the Pharisees and other Jewish leaders, you can’t get into the Kingdom of Heaven at all!
Belief to God , And Jesus as risen gives righteous living and one does righteously by trust, Faith given them, which is belief, to God personally, thank you, each , gets to choose to believe God in risen Son or not. I see to not take away anyone's free choice do you?
I can only lead others to water, but is up to them to drink it freely
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