Im new here. I need some help regarding 1 Corinth 11:14

[timemeddler]

Absolutely.

It is a shame for a man to have long hair because the look is effeminate. It is a shame for a man to look like a woman.

And, if you (whoever) disagree with this statement, it only shows how much your thinking has been affected by the modern [godless] world.

No man should have the appearance of a woman. No woman should have the appearance of a man. This is the intent of God.

And, it is a "doctrinal issue" - it is biblical instruction to us concerning the proper way we are to live our lives according to God.

Please note that the passage does not say that it is a shame for a woman to not have long hair; however, it does most definitely say that it is a shame for a man to have long hair.

Believe what the Bible says even before you understand why it says it.

No that's a western culture thing(and very old at that, people made that accusation about the monkeys in the 1960's) Ever read the story of Sampson?

 

[Dino246]

Then it’s not a heart issue.

Exactly, so the whole "does not nature teach" argument fails. Even most long-haired women eventually get haircuts. There's no objective standard of "short" or "long", "nature" does not actually teach any such thing, and Paul was speaking from a cultural perspective, not an eternal truth-standard.

 

[Dino246]

So then if your first suggestion is true, then Paul made a false claim. Still, if the man has long hair and doesn't feel shame before reading scripture, that doesn't mean that's not what nature supposedly teaches. Like a homosexual couple could say that they don't feel ashamed to have a same sex relationship but most people would agree that "nature" teaches against such a relationship, wouldn't they? I'll continue to pray as I have been that God will guide you into all truth in His Spirit which convicts us of our sin. Praise the Lord for you, for He created you to glorify Himself as He created all of us! God bless you sir!

You're trying to conflate a distinctly moral issue with a moral non-issue. Can a society of strict homosexuals reproduce itself? No. Nature prohibits it. On the contrary, nature does not prohibit long hair on men.

 

[timemeddler]

Basically, at the end paul leaves it up to us to decide anyway, so unless your going for multi-pound monster hair like Absalom, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

 

[John146]

Exactly, so the whole "does not nature teach" argument fails. Even most long-haired women eventually get haircuts. There's no objective standard of "short" or "long", "nature" does not actually teach any such thing, and Paul was speaking from a cultural perspective, not an eternal truth-standard.

Just don’t be surprised when we get our new bodies that we will have short hair. 😂

 

[Dino246]

Just don’t be surprised when we get our new bodies that we will have short hair. 😂

So now you’re using speculation as evidence? Wow….

 

[JesusIsSovereign]

You're trying to conflate a distinctly moral issue with a moral non-issue. Can a society of strict homosexuals reproduce itself? No. Nature prohibits it. On the contrary, nature does not prohibit long hair on men.

On what basis do you say that nature prohibits same-sex marriage? I'm not advocating for it, I'm just curious what you'll say.

 

[John146]

So now you’re using speculation as evidence? Wow….

Not evidence, just saying don't be surprised that we don't look like women, but men.

 

[John146]

On what basis do you say that nature prohibits same-sex marriage? I'm not advocating for it, I'm just curious what you'll say.[/QUOTE

Biblically, there no such thing as same sex marriage. Biblically, man and woman can become one flesh. The becoming one flesh is the marriage union. Men with men, and women with women is an unnatural union, not marriage.

 

[Dino246]

On what basis do you say that nature prohibits same-sex marriage? I'm not advocating for it, I'm just curious what you'll say.

Please read my post again… carefully.

 

[p_rehbein]

Paul is writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. These aren’t the opinions of men.

Inspiration of the Holy Spirit does not equate to being a Commandment from God. I would think all Preachers/Pastors who give a Sermon are doing so with Holy Spirit inspiration of the Sermon being preached. That does not make everything they say Commandments from God.

The main problem you have is Paul himself stated he was speaking his opinion/advice on how to live a Christ-like life AND NOT Gods Commandments. Can't get around that one.

 

[p_rehbein]

Paul makes the statement which is not his opinion:

14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Answer is rhetorical: yes

Again, you ignore Paul's words, or, simply do not understand. You simply can not ignore what Paul said to validate your "opinion."

10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord,Let not the wife depart from her husband:

11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord:If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

No way to ignore Paul was giving his advice/opinion.

But, hey, free will surely allows you to disagree.

 

[p_rehbein]

Regarding those who want to use their understanding of Scripture concerning long hair bringing shame to a man:

Numbers, Chapter 6:

1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD:

3He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.

4All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.

5All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow.

Were the Nazarites a shame in Gods eyes? I think not. It is necessary to seek the Spiritual understanding of Scripture........

 

[JesusIsSovereign]

Please read my post again… carefully.

"Can a society of strict homosexuals reproduce itself? No. Nature prohibits it." I'm not talking about this exactly, on what Biblical basis I meant. We only can find true wisdom from God, if we trying to generate it ourselves, we become foolish because then we are following a path of a foolish man. Also, why do you say this means nature prohibits it?

 

[Dino246]

"Can a society of strict homosexuals reproduce itself? No. Nature prohibits it." I'm not talking about this exactly, on what Biblical basis I meant. We only can find true wisdom from God, if we trying to generate it ourselves, we become foolish because then we are following a path of a foolish man. Also, why do you say this means nature prohibits it?

With respect, I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

To your question, basic human biology. Neither men with men nor women with women will produce children.

 

[Ethan1942]

You're trying to conflate a distinctly moral issue with a moral non-issue. Can a society of strict homosexuals reproduce itself? No. Nature prohibits it. On the contrary, nature does not prohibit long hair on men.

Where does the "society of strict homosexuals" exist?

 

[JesusIsSovereign]

Where does the "society of strict homosexuals" exist?

Is doesn't, but I think he's saying if everyone was strictly homosexual, then no reproduction of humanity could happen, and apparently, according to dino, that's his basis on why he says nature prohibits it I believe.

 

[Dino246]

Where does the "society of strict homosexuals" exist?

It’s a speculative construct to prove a point.

 

[JesusIsSovereign]

It’s a speculative construct to prove a point.

Which point, that nature prohibits homosexuality?

 

[DavyP]

Ok...so im an 18 year old male. I converted to Christ two years ago so am still quite new to all this. So I don't know much in terms of general theological knowledge. With that being said, I need some help.

Ive always had super short hair, but my Girlfriend said I should grow it out, so I have been. It's currently at my shoulderblades, and I was going to go to mid back. I must admit my GF was right, I look the best I ever have. But then I read 1 Corinth 11:14. Where Paul says it's against God for a man to have long hair??? I know it's a sin for a man to look feminine, but I certainly don't. And long hair has nothing to do with that. So I'm confused.

Ive done research and I've found that nobody really knows. Some scholars say that it's fine and others say it's sinful. I don't have a pastor I can ask as I don't go to church yet (my parents are atheists) so I'm kinda stuck and just need help. Please. Someone!

I recall at a stopover in Honolulu on the way back to the States, downtown we saw ahead of us someone dressed in white pants and a white blouse with this long beautiful hair, and when the person slowed up and we passed, that someone was a guy with a beard. That's confusion. And that is why God's Word is against confusing one's sex.