Pagan Holiday Thread

[Lynx]

Er...

I think you're talking to the wrong person. Ambassador was the one who said it was evil.

 

[Lynx]

SonJudgment seems to be saying the same thing you are saying, in a different way.

You should both probably be ganging up on ambassador...

Hush Lynx.

 

[SonJudgment]

Interesting -- I apologize if I misread your post.

So you're saying it's the intent behind the holiday, and not the holiday itself or how it's celebrated (within Christian morals of course) that matters? And that these holidays actually aren't pagan themselves, but the intent has turned pagan over time?

Such as, you're not opposed to wearing costumes or giving gifts or hanging decorations if it's with Christian motivation?

Well you're getting closer. I'm saying that they're not pagan holidays because it's a historical fact. Add in the irony that the saints Nicholas and Boniface that created the traditions for these holidays directly contended against the pagans to destroy their vile religions from off the face of the Earth, and you now have a meme.

 

[seoulsearch]

Er...I think you're talking to the wrong person. Ambassador was the one who said it was evil.

A two for one for this Halloween and keeping the original intention of the holiday which is to remember the saints. Specifically the saints that destroyed the pagans and thus gave us Christmas and its most familiar motiffs. Glory to God for saints Nicholas and Boniface whom smote the heretics and cut down the dead religion of the pagans, glory to Jesus.

The above post and picture comparison is what I saw posted by SonJudgment. I interpreted this as saying that holidays are pagan and evil.

I sincerely apologize if I misinterpreted what was being said.

 

[seoulsearch]

Well you're getting closer. I'm saying that they're not pagan holidays because it's a historical fact. Add in the irony that the saints Nicholas and Boniface that created the traditions for these holidays directly contended against the pagans to destroy their vile religions from off the face of the Earth, and you now have a meme.

I apologize again for misreading the meme -- and I sincerely appreciate your taking the time to answer my questions and better understand your point of view.

 

[SonJudgment]

The above post and picture comparison is what I saw posted by SonJudgment. I interpreted this as saying that holidays are pagan and evil.

I sincerely apologize if I misinterpreted what was being said.

It's a thinker for sure with many layers. You will have to indulge in the Halloween celebration then, which is to celebrate memory of all saints of Jesus and do some research on saint Nicholas and saint Boniface and learn about their great example in triumphantly crushing heretics and pagans for the glory of Jesus Christ and how the Christmas traditions of Santa Clause and the Christmas Tree actually began.

 

[seoulsearch]

It's a thinker for sure with many layers. You will have to indulge in the Halloween celebration then, which is to celebrate memory of all saints of Jesus and do some research on saint Nicholas and saint Boniface and learn about their great example in triumphantly crushing heretics and pagans for the glory of Jesus Christ and how the Christmas traditions of Santa Clause and the Christmas Tree actually began.

To be honest, as a young adult, I had some events that happened right before the holidays one year that pretty much ruined them for me forever. I was never into Halloween except for a few decorations and candy (most churches I've been to have Trunk'O'Treat events for the kids,) but I did used to love buying presents for people at Christmas.

After some things in my life transpired, it was never the same. Now I just see them as a time to spend with family -- because it makes my parents happy -- and in the meantime, I sit back and watch people argue about whether it's ok to celebrate them or not.

I do appreciate you sharing the history and your thoughts about them, thank you.

 

[SonJudgment]

The only thing missing is tree worship.

I'm certain there's cultural appropriation here, but I'm not sure who is appropriating from whom.

I'm going to go with everybody else is appropriating from Jews, because purim was here first.

Already got you covered with that one. Saint Nicholas is pretty well known, but less well known is the blessed Saint Boniface.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Boniface

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donar's_Oak

 

[Lynx]

To be honest, as a young adult, I had some events that happened right before the holidays one year that pretty much ruined them for me forever. I was never into Halloween except for a few decorations and candy (most churches I've been to have Trunk'O'Treat events for the kids,) but I did used to love buying presents for people at Christmas.

After some things in my life transpired, it was never the same. Now I just see them as a time to spend with family -- because it makes my parents happy -- and in the meantime, I sit back and watch people argue about whether it's ok to celebrate them or not.

I do appreciate you sharing the history and your thoughts about them, thank you.

Trunk or treat is awesome! Come on kids, let's go get some candy from the back of a random person's car. That's right, the trunk of a car has candy in it! Definitely nothing to be afraid of from going up to a random person's car trunk.

 

[seoulsearch]

Trunk or treat is awesome! Come on kids, let's go get some candy from the back of a random person's car. That's right, the trunk of a car has candy in it! Definitely nothing to be afraid of from going up to a random person's car trunk.

Goofball! 😂

Trunk or treat is awesome! Come on kids, let's go get some candy from the back of a random person's car. That's right, the trunk of a car has candy in it! Definitely nothing to be afraid of from going up to a random person's car trunk.

At least it's marginally safer than trying to collect candy from a random person's van...

 

[Eli1]

Eli,
Baklava is a great desert but If you like salty better you might like filo triangles(spanakopita) Authentic Spanakopita Recipe - Greek Spinach and Feta Pie - OliveTomato.com

Where I come from, spinach pie is the equivalent of hot dog and apple pie in American culture.
From the moment you’re born, you don’t have your mother’s milk but grandma’s spinach pie.

 

[Lynx]

Where I come from, spinach pie is the equivalent of hot dog and apple pie in American culture.
From the moment you’re born, you don’t have your mother’s milk but grandma’s spinach pie.

That has to be an improvement. Hot dogs are cream of chitlins in a tube. I could go for a good spinach pie any day of the year.

 

[Eli1]

I was a child of the 70s and teenager of the 80s. We had to worry about glass in our candy bars ... and marijuana brownies. 🥴

I don't know how us Gen-Xers survived our childhood, lol!


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For real.

 

[seoulsearch]

I was a child of the 70s and teenager of the 80s. We had to worry about glass in our candy bars ... and marijuana brownies. 🥴

I don't know how us Gen-Xers survived our childhood, lol!
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Remember the year when the big scare was razor blades? Most of our candy got tossed that year, just in case.

Now of course, anyone would be like, "Wouldn't you notice a big razor blade, duh," but I read an article saying that some might have actually used the blades in pencil sharpeners...

Though I have yet to find a documented case (doesn't mean of course they aren't out there, of course.)

I did see one case of a poisoned Pixie stick -- but sadly, it was a father who laced his own child's candy with cyanide in an attempt to commit insurance fraud.

If it's one thing I learned from watching nearly every episode of Forensic Files back in the 90's -- if a family member dies, always, always, check to see if there was a life insurance policy.

 

[hornetguy]

Best of both worlds cheap and tasty i get the 24 pack its always a winner

That sounds like a revolting combination.... kids should love it....

 

[posthuman]

the way i see it squirrel appreciation day is the real elephant in the room here

 

[seoulsearch]

the way i see it squirrel appreciation day is the real elephant in the room here

I dunno, those tails are just so fluffy, they've just gotta be pagan:



So I'm guessing we're going to have to vote thumbs down for Squirrel Appreciate Day.

Although, I think I've already been unwittingly observing it -- lately I've been eating pancakes from a homemade flour mix -- and one of the ingredients happens to be acorns. 🐿️

 

[daisyseesthesun]

Something I've been wondering about... In the 15 years I've been here reading about how holidays are evil and pagan, I've never once seen a post that mentioned Purim. Why is this?

Granted, I might have missed it, and I only learned about it from a Bible commentary last year, but according to the article I looked up, Purim is, "The Jewish holiday that celebrates the deliverance of the Jewish people from a plot to exterminate them in Persia (by Haman.)"

Activities for this grand event include:

* The reading of the book of Esther.
* Charity for the needy.
* Fasting.
* Food and drink -- a festive meal is shared, and "Purim baskets" are sent to friends and family. (Not sure where the fasting is scheduled into all of this, but hey, I'm learning.)
* Parades and carnivals.
* Costumes -- children AND adults dress up in costumes, often of figures from the story.
* Gift giving -- gifts are given to friends and family.


Seriously. How much evil can you cram into ONE holiday???!!! I mean, Purim BASKETS? The Easter bunny would sue over the competition. GIFT GIVING??? Santa would file for a copyright claim. And CHILDREN AND ADULTS DRESSING UP IN COSTUMES??? If this doesn't make people clutch their pearls and fall over in a display of f self-righteousness, I don't know what will. Why has it never been mentioned?

Is this something that can only be celebrated by the Jewish people? And I'm certainly not trying to say that this makes it right to celebrate.

But if this one holiday wraps up just about everything people point out as being evil about holidays into one big heathen package -- AND it's observed BY GOD'S OWN PEOPLE -- why is it that no one ever brings this up?

Seoulsearch,
I've always wanted to go to Israel when they were celebrating Purim. It sounds like a delightful holiday. As for the Dutch Christmas log, we have it every year. I'm sure you like it. I'm really looking forward to it this year. last year I got a little crazy with the orange zest, so it turned out to be an orange log, but usually, it's the best breakfast for the holiday season.

 

[Omegatime]

Throwing my five cents in here. Most holidays are pagan in my view but everyone is covered by grace. But but but I do think these sins can bring sickness upon those who continue.

 

[seoulsearch]

Seoulsearch, I've always wanted to go to Israel when they were celebrating Purim. It sounds like a delightful holiday. As for the Dutch Christmas log, we have it every year. I'm sure you like it. I'm really looking forward to it this year. last year I got a little crazy with the orange zest, so it turned out to be an orange log, but usually, it's the best breakfast for the holiday season.

This is fascinating, Daisy! Thank you so much for mentioning wanting to experience Purim.

A friend also just explained to me that the reason they wear masks and costumes is to commemorate Esther having to hide her identity until the big reveal in front Haman. I am definitely going to remember this discussion whenever future holiday threads are brought up.

And big kudos to you for making the Dutch Christmas logs!! They look fantastic, and I will surely try one (a real one with the marzipan filling) if I ever have the chance!