Does Jesus Ever Forgive Those Who Are Not Sorry

[JohnDB]

for the sins they choose to continue to commit/the heresies they choose to continue to believe?

Let's use scripture to figure this out.
Luke 12-13 is good for this.

Lost sheep
Lost coin
Intentional sin
Unforgiveness and judgementalism.

This list in order of severity parallel this categorization.

Sin of ignorance
Sin of careless omittance
Planned sins (knew but did it anyway)
Unforgiving is the worst of the worst.

These are more severe as you get to the bottom of the list because they are harder to repent from and therefore more difficult for God to forgive. And the shrewd manager was incapable of completely forgiving anybody but he forgave equally, across the board, everyone he possibly could.

 

[GWH]

To finalize, by God through Son on that cross we are all reconciled (Forgiven) Even though one still sins over and over nd even worse once under Law2 to not do, one does whatever fit is all the more, not wanting to do it, per Romans 7 reveals this truth, you think?

God through Son Jesus, took away the sin of the world in his sight for us the people to believe, receive and be new, no more trying to do it right, no one can, it only gets done by God's done work of Son, whom is risen where new life for us is at given. Now, working that done work through us onto the crowd at hand as, led by Father to do or not do
Luke 21:14
Therefore, don’t be concerned about how to answer the charges against you,
Luke 21:15
for I will give you the right words and such logic that none of your opponents will be able to reply!
Matthew 6:31-32
“So don’t worry at all about having enough food and clothing. Why be like the heathen? For they take pride in all these things and are deeply concerned about them. But your heavenly Father already knows perfectly well that you need them,
Luke 6:35
“Love your enemies! Do good to them! Lend to them! And don’t be concerned about the fact that they won’t repay. Then your reward from heaven will be very great, and you will truly be acting as sons of God: for he is kind to the unthankful and to those who are very wicked.
Luke 12:11
“And when you are brought to trial before these Jewish rulers and authorities in the synagogues, don’t be concerned about what to say in your defense,
1 Peter 3:3
Don’t be concerned about the outward beauty that depends on jewelry, or beautiful clothes, or hair arrangement.

Well, saying “all” makes it necessary to specify who “we” includes.

 

[GWH]

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The passage below is deliberately embellished to emphasize a point. Watch
for the revision.

● 1John 1:9 . . If we confess our sins, and say we are heartily sorry for
them: He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from
all unrighteousness.

In reality, 1John 1:9 only requires owning one's guilt to obtain God's
forgiveness and purification-- it does not require either remorse or regret.
_

Well, it is problematic to say that someone who does not regret being guilty satisfies God’s requirement for forgiveness.

 

[homwardbound]

.
The passage below is deliberately embellished to emphasize a point. Watch
for the revision.

● 1John 1:9 . . If we confess our sins, and say we are heartily sorry for
them: He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from
all unrighteousness.

In reality, 1John 1:9 only requires owning one's guilt to obtain God's
forgiveness and purification-- it does not require either remorse or regret.
_

In the Greek original it states to have (past Tense) to have already forgiven you all your sins, done for us all on that cross
Read 1 John 2 the next Chapter to see it in truth
I do, not by my doing, by God's doing in Son for me, it is done to be able to now do in love to all, the love that has no Law against it at all
Son Won for us to make us one with Father and Son forever in thanksgiving and praise, wow woe is me as in. Isaiah 6:1-7 states to me at least, thank you for the insight you just shared

 

[homwardbound]

Well, saying “all” makes it necessary to specify who “we” includes.

God did it once for us all
Hebrews 10:10
Under this new plan we have been forgiven and made clean by Christ’s dying for us once and for all.

Hebrews 10

Living Bible

Hebrews 10

The old system of Jewish laws gave only a dim foretaste of the good things Christ would do for us. The sacrifices under the old system were repeated again and again, year after year, but even so they could never save those who lived under their rules. If they could have, one offering would have been enough; the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all and their feeling of guilt would be gone.
But just the opposite happened: those yearly sacrifices reminded them of their disobedience and guilt instead of relieving their minds. For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats really to take away sins.[a]
That is why Christ said as he came into the world, “O God, the blood of bulls and goats cannot satisfy you, so you have made ready this body of mine for me to lay as a sacrifice upon your altar. You were not satisfied with the animal sacrifices, slain and burnt before you as offerings for sin. Then I said, ‘See, I have come to do your will, to lay down my life, just as the Scriptures said that I would.’”

Therefore God by Son did what was needed to be done, once for everyone to now choose to beehive god in it or not 100% no doubting can ever get anyone rested in trust to God , seeing ??Jesus as risen for them too
The propitiation
1 John 2

 

[GWH]

God did it once for us all
Hebrews 10:10
Under this new plan we have been forgiven and made clean by Christ’s dying for us once and for all.

Hebrews 10

Living Bible

Hebrews 10

The old system of Jewish laws gave only a dim foretaste of the good things Christ would do for us. The sacrifices under the old system were repeated again and again, year after year, but even so they could never save those who lived under their rules. If they could have, one offering would have been enough; the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all and their feeling of guilt would be gone.
But just the opposite happened: those yearly sacrifices reminded them of their disobedience and guilt instead of relieving their minds. For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats really to take away sins.[a]
That is why Christ said as he came into the world, “O God, the blood of bulls and goats cannot satisfy you, so you have made ready this body of mine for me to lay as a sacrifice upon your altar. You were not satisfied with the animal sacrifices, slain and burnt before you as offerings for sin. Then I said, ‘See, I have come to do your will, to lay down my life, just as the Scriptures said that I would.’”

Therefore God by Son did what was needed to be done, once for everyone to now choose to beehive god in it or not 100% no doubting can ever get anyone rested in trust to God , seeing ??Jesus as risen for them too
The propitiation
1 John 2

You cite Hebrews 10:10 but neglect to note that 10:19 indicates than “we” refers to brethren in Christ and that 10:26-27 says “we” does NOT include those who claim to be Christians but deliberately persevere in sinning.

 

[Karlon]

for the sins they choose to continue to commit/the heresies they choose to continue to believe?

NO! John 9:31.

 

[homwardbound]

You cite Hebrews 10:10 but neglect to note that 10:19 indicates than “we” refers to brethren in Christ and that 10:26-27 says “we” does NOT include those who claim to be Christians but deliberately persevere in sinning.

Okay, strain out gnats, okay, I hope no one swallows that camel?
I know God loves us all<otherwise that cross of willing-Son would not have ever happened
we, I speak of God’s children that God knows who are God’s and will be if not yet I willingly yet too. thank you

 

[GWH]

Okay, strain out gnats, okay, I hope no one swallows that camel?
I know God loves us all<otherwise that cross of willing-Son would not have ever happened
we, I speak of God’s children that God knows who are God’s and will be if not yet I willingly yet too. thank you

In other words, you agree with the teaching in those verses too?

 

[homwardbound]

In other words, you agree with the teaching in those verses too?

I agree with God's teaching the meaning of God's truth, which to me is Love and mercy to us all to choose to beleive God in risen Son for us all, not a few, God just loves us all, is what I have found out in my experiences here on earth
I have been shot, stabbed, left for dead, troubled on all sides, and never forsaken by God ever. Even died in Hospital seven times per the Doctors, with Foreigners gangrene 12 years ago this Nov in 2012.
I have stayed with trust to God over it all. I have been like a Job, still waiting in trust for that last chapter of Job, now relying on risen Son Jesus, thanks, as I can only speak for me, and trust God for the rest in my mess

 

[GWH]

I agree with God's teaching the meaning of God's truth, which to me is Love and mercy to us all to choose to beleive God in risen Son for us all, not a few, God just loves us all, is what I have found out in my experiences here on earth
I have been shot, stabbed, left for dead, troubled on all sides, and never forsaken by God ever. Even died in Hospital seven times per the Doctors, with Foreigners gangrene 12 years ago this Nov in 2012.
I have stayed with trust to God over it all. I have been like a Job, still waiting in trust for that last chapter of Job, now relying on risen Son Jesus, thanks, as I can only speak for me, and trust God for the rest in my mess

Yes, God loves all, even His enemies, but those will not be saved unless they repent/satisfy God's requirement for salvation--which per the New Testament Gospel is accepting Jesus as Christ the Lord.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, God loves all, even His enemies, but those will not be saved unless they repent/satisfy God's requirement for salvation--which per the New Testament Gospel is accepting Jesus as Christ the Lord.

Take on his yoke and burden it is light and easy, man makes it hard, putting people under Law, that no one else can fulfill as is fulfilled by Son for us all to be made new by God through us, in us by risen Son for us.
God frees, as people worry over others and self taking it for granted as the Corinthians did, that many do not understand why Paul wrote to them and many others as well. God did what was needed once for everyone to believe and appreciate it. As man in religion puts people back to working for it, as if not yet completed for us all by Son once for all. Luke 18:9-14 says a lot to me anyways.
I now do as others do not yet do or might not ever do, Okay!
Am I any better than anyone else ever? Are you or anyone else?
The answer is not between you and I or anyone else but God and Son as Won for you to be new in love and mercy to all, not only a few as religion only knows to do, not born new yet by God yet, the choice remains, and will one stay in belief if are about to die or not get what they asked for? Will you, I and others go through it no matter what troubles happen to them? and stand in continued belief to God no matter what?

 

[posthuman]

for the sins they choose to continue to commit/the heresies they choose to continue to believe?

He said at one time,
"forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing"
i think from context they probably were not sorry about doing what they had no idea was evil.

 

[Conformed]

He said at one time,
"forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing"
i think from context they probably were not sorry about doing what they had no idea was evil.

They do know sin and heresies are evil.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

for the sins they choose to continue to commit/the heresies they choose to continue to believe?

“And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:33-34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
‭‭James‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭

sometimes people don’t know they believe a heresy they don’t know what they are doing is sin ect people can do great evil but think they are doing good at the time they are doing it

when we know what we are doing is wrong this should create a feeling of remorse which should lead to repentance and efforts towards the good , towards blessing and away from sin

later we’ll find we’ve sinned again and when we know it it should create the same remorse because we’re aware what we did was wrong ect repentance isn’t a one time deal but an awareness of what we’re called to be and then when we fall short is what creates the opportunity for repentance.

We may repent for years until we overcome

 

[Pilgrimshope]

He said at one time,
"forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing"
i think from context they probably were not sorry about doing what they had no idea was evil.

its very different if I know what I’m about to do is evil and then I do it willingly

from, if i do something wrong but I actually didn’t know it was wrong I can even think I’m doing good in my mind when I’m actually doing evil and wrong because of what I know preceding the situation

 

[posthuman]

They do know sin and heresies are evil.

who?

Woman was deceived, and sinned.
Adam was not, and sinned regardless.

both were forgiven, having confessed, He made for them coverings.

 

[Magenta]

In reality, 1John 1:9 only requires owning one's guilt to obtain God's
forgiveness and purification-- it does not require either remorse or regret.

Owning one's guilt? Where does it say that?

2 Corinthians 7:10 ~ Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation without regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

 

[posthuman]

Hello Sister, lovely (as always ). I find this image particularly appealing for some reason (I think, at first blush anyway, because I love all of the colors that you've used and how they flow or work together). Very beautiful, very peaceful. Thank you for sharing

it's very nicely composed

 

[GWH]

Take on his yoke and burden it is light and easy, man makes it hard, putting people under Law, that no one else can fulfill as is fulfilled by Son for us all to be made new by God through us, in us by risen Son for us.
God frees, as people worry over others and self taking it for granted as the Corinthians did, that many do not understand why Paul wrote to them and many others as well. God did what was needed once for everyone to believe and appreciate it. As man in religion puts people back to working for it, as if not yet completed for us all by Son once for all. Luke 18:9-14 says a lot to me anyways.
I now do as others do not yet do or might not ever do, Okay!
Am I any better than anyone else ever? Are you or anyone else?
The answer is not between you and I or anyone else but God and Son as Won for you to be new in love and mercy to all, not only a few as religion only knows to do, not born new yet by God yet, the choice remains, and will one stay in belief if are about to die or not get what they asked for? Will you, I and others go through it no matter what troubles happen to them? and stand in continued belief to God no matter what?

Yes, saving faith is an easy act of will, but people make it hard when they “kick against the prick”.