The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.
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Most believers on this topic have either not done their homework, or have chosen to ignore the truth when it is presented to them. In reality, Proponents of the Modern Bible Movement are the ones who have employed many deceptions (i.e. , They are gaslighting).
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- They say THE Hebrew and THE Greek as if there is only one. This is a deception. There are multiple Hebrew and Greek manuscripts that differ from one another.
- They say we have more manuscript discoveries than ever before, which are better. This is a lie. The King James Bible still has the most manuscript witnesses, with it being 5,800 manuscripts, and it is doctrinally superior.
- They say all Bibles say the same thing. This is a lie. They do not all say the same thing.
- They say all Bibles teach the same doctrine. This is a lie. Not all Bibles teach the same doctrines.
- NKJV deception (See this video here by Theo Hikmat).
- Westcott and Hort were afraid to reveal their work too soon otherwise they would have been branded with suspicion. This is a deception. On 1861 Apr. 12th – Hort to Westcott: “Also – but this may be cowardice – I have a sort of craving that our text should be cast upon the world before we deal with matters likely to brand us with suspicion. I mean, a text, issued by men already known for what will undoubtedly be treated as dangerous heresy, will have great difficulties in finding its way to regions which it might otherwise hope to reach, and whence it would not be easily banished by subsequent alarms.” (Life, Vol.I, p.445).
- Westcott and Hort came up with the Lucian Recension Theory in that the KJB or TR conflated the text by adding things to it. There is zero evidence for this.
- Pastors or spiritual leaders will sometimes lift up the Bible and say of their Modern Translation that it is the Word of God (When they really do not believe that).
- They redefine the original doctrines of inerrancy, etcetera.
- They say the word of God is inspired as if to suggest there is such a thing in existence today.
- They act like they know Hebrew and Greek by pointing to a Modern Scholarly dictionary.
- Some say the Westcott and Hort text is completely different than the Nestle and Aland.
- Some Originals Onlyists will say that KJB believers worship the Bible, which is a false accusation and is a lie.
- The cover of their Modern Bible that says, Holy Bible is a deception and or lie. They don’t believe it is really holy but a holey Bible, a book full of errors and not divine.
- They say that the Modern Bibles are superior because of their readability compared to the KJB’s 1600’s English. But what some of them will fail to say later is that many times they prefer to look to the Original languages like Hebrew and Greek as a necessity to truly understand God’s Word. Hebrew and Greek is far more difficult than 1600’s English.
- Correctors of the KJB act like they know more than the 47 translators of the King James Bible.
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Jesus said this to His disciples:
Judas (not Iscariot) noticed what He said but did not understand how He would accomplish it. So he asked:
And Jesus answered this way:
The world does not see Jesus, but we do. We see Him in our hearts. And we must know that we see the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as One when we look in there and observe Him. And Him being there is the reason we know Him.
And it is quite obvious that seeing things with our eyes, hearing things with our ears, and feeling things with our hearts is not the way to know the things of God because they are revealed to us by His Spirit...
A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. (Jn 14:19)
Judas (not Iscariot) noticed what He said but did not understand how He would accomplish it. So he asked:
Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world? (Jn 14:22)
And Jesus answered this way:
If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him... the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. (Jn 14:23–26)
The world does not see Jesus, but we do. We see Him in our hearts. And we must know that we see the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as One when we look in there and observe Him. And Him being there is the reason we know Him.
And it is quite obvious that seeing things with our eyes, hearing things with our ears, and feeling things with our hearts is not the way to know the things of God because they are revealed to us by His Spirit...
9 But as it is written:
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. (1 Co 2:9–12)
If the Spirit of God lives in them, then He will correct them (Hebrews 12). His correction is not pleasant. That's why I say they can't be comfortable if that is where they are living. I believe that Hebrews 12:7-8 makes it clear that He does not leave His children alone when they go astray, but it is not my role to judge whether or not any particular person is experiencing His correction.
I see in the book of Galatians that James and Peter were influenced by Judaisers and that the Galatian Christians were led astray by the same legalism. Our struggle today isn't that different.
It can be difficult because changing cource sometimes challenges our core beliefs, but listening to, trusting, and walking in the light the Holy Spirit provides is the only way to live a successful Christian life.
I see in the book of Galatians that James and Peter were influenced by Judaisers and that the Galatian Christians were led astray by the same legalism. Our struggle today isn't that different.
It can be difficult because changing cource sometimes challenges our core beliefs, but listening to, trusting, and walking in the light the Holy Spirit provides is the only way to live a successful Christian life.
Revelation 13:18, as stated in the KJV, speaks to those who already possess wisdom, implying they should have the knowledge and experience necessary to calculate a particular number—666—attached with its specific meaning. Many, perhaps including yourself, may not have delved into the study of Biblical Numerics or fully grasp how statistical probabilities work. I encourage you to explore Brandon Peterson’s recent micro-pattern series on YouTube. The patterns he reveals are far too complex to dismiss as mere coincidence. To deny the significance behind them without proper understanding is a missed opportunity for deeper insight.
Figures like Mark Ward and Jonathan Burris have tried to challenge Peterson’s findings. In a conversation I had with Burris, when I used the Bible to explain the reasoning behind Peterson’s patterns, he had no response and failed to acknowledge that my points were rooted in Scripture. As for Ward, his attempt to refute Biblical Numerics lacked depth and fell short in comparison to Peterson’s work. It seems Ward's hope is that people will trust his argument without prayerfully watching the video and genuinely seeking the truth.
Some critics of the KJV argue against its status as the perfect Word of God by pointing to the KJV preface and citing printing errors found in earlier editions. This is truly sad and shows lack of careful thought on this subject.
Would these also be your arguments against the KJV?
So you believe that that all reputable Modern Bibles are all word perfect and have no errors?
Why shouldn't we simply trust the Bible when it plainly states that God's words are perfect and will be preserved for all generations? How is it 'cultic' to believe the Bible exactly as it’s written? There’s no clear scriptural evidence that these promises refer only to doctrines or general truths. In fact, claiming they do would be a far more cultic view, since that idea isn’t found anywhere in the Bible.
Unless you believe that the NIV and NASB are completely error-free and word-perfect, they cannot be considered the authentic or true Word of God. The genuine Word of God would be holy and divine, not 'holey'—a book riddled with holes and errors.
They are not baseless. You don’t believe the KJV is the perfect and inerrant Word of God. You have a bias or preference for Modern Scholarship and Modern Bibles.
Not at all. Bart Ehrman and Rick Beckman are two individuals who have apostatized from the faith directly as a result of their involvement in Textual Criticism. This would not have happened if they simply trusted in the promises of God by faith.
When you overlook the context of Daniel 3:28, you're not fully engaging with the facts that need correction. I've been corrected by other believers on forums like this before. It’s rare, but it has happened—especially when someone points out a verse that helps me correct my understanding of another piece of Scripture. This is not to boast, but to merely encourage you to do the same.
Given our previous discussion, do you think that by not considering Daniel 3:28 as part of the context, you might be approaching this topic with a certain bias, potentially interpreting details that aren’t actually there?
This demonstrates a misunderstanding of the topic. For instance, earlier editions of the NIV describe Jesus healing a leper with compassion (Mark 1:41). However, the latest edition of the NIV now depicts Jesus healing the leper with indignation. In the context, no clear reason is given for His anger, which contradicts Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 5:22, where He warns that being angry without cause puts one in danger of judgment.
Imagine trying to use the sleep emoji to get a job interview—it probably wouldn’t go over well. Likewise, using it while attempting to impress a woman would likely make her lose interest quickly. Now think about how God feels when you show disinterest (like using a sleep emoji) during a Bible discussion. I’m not saying this to wound you, but to encourage you to grow and be better. To inspire you to be the Christian hero God calls you to be.
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Figures like Mark Ward and Jonathan Burris have tried to challenge Peterson’s findings. In a conversation I had with Burris, when I used the Bible to explain the reasoning behind Peterson’s patterns, he had no response and failed to acknowledge that my points were rooted in Scripture. As for Ward, his attempt to refute Biblical Numerics lacked depth and fell short in comparison to Peterson’s work. It seems Ward's hope is that people will trust his argument without prayerfully watching the video and genuinely seeking the truth.
Some critics of the KJV argue against its status as the perfect Word of God by pointing to the KJV preface and citing printing errors found in earlier editions. This is truly sad and shows lack of careful thought on this subject.
Would these also be your arguments against the KJV?
So you believe that that all reputable Modern Bibles are all word perfect and have no errors?
Why shouldn't we simply trust the Bible when it plainly states that God's words are perfect and will be preserved for all generations? How is it 'cultic' to believe the Bible exactly as it’s written? There’s no clear scriptural evidence that these promises refer only to doctrines or general truths. In fact, claiming they do would be a far more cultic view, since that idea isn’t found anywhere in the Bible.
Unless you believe that the NIV and NASB are completely error-free and word-perfect, they cannot be considered the authentic or true Word of God. The genuine Word of God would be holy and divine, not 'holey'—a book riddled with holes and errors.
They are not baseless. You don’t believe the KJV is the perfect and inerrant Word of God. You have a bias or preference for Modern Scholarship and Modern Bibles.
Not at all. Bart Ehrman and Rick Beckman are two individuals who have apostatized from the faith directly as a result of their involvement in Textual Criticism. This would not have happened if they simply trusted in the promises of God by faith.
When you overlook the context of Daniel 3:28, you're not fully engaging with the facts that need correction. I've been corrected by other believers on forums like this before. It’s rare, but it has happened—especially when someone points out a verse that helps me correct my understanding of another piece of Scripture. This is not to boast, but to merely encourage you to do the same.
Given our previous discussion, do you think that by not considering Daniel 3:28 as part of the context, you might be approaching this topic with a certain bias, potentially interpreting details that aren’t actually there?
This demonstrates a misunderstanding of the topic. For instance, earlier editions of the NIV describe Jesus healing a leper with compassion (Mark 1:41). However, the latest edition of the NIV now depicts Jesus healing the leper with indignation. In the context, no clear reason is given for His anger, which contradicts Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 5:22, where He warns that being angry without cause puts one in danger of judgment.
Imagine trying to use the sleep emoji to get a job interview—it probably wouldn’t go over well. Likewise, using it while attempting to impress a woman would likely make her lose interest quickly. Now think about how God feels when you show disinterest (like using a sleep emoji) during a Bible discussion. I’m not saying this to wound you, but to encourage you to grow and be better. To inspire you to be the Christian hero God calls you to be.
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Research and learning are not one-time efforts but continuous processes. It's important to approach each topic with an open mind and a commitment to discovering the truth. Over time, perspectives can evolve as new information comes to light. This ongoing pursuit of knowledge ensures that we’re not confined to outdated or biased understanding, but rather we are always seeking deeper insight and accuracy in what we know.
But again, all you have to do is research the internet and see that the KJV played a part in three of the great revivals we had in history. If you believe otherwise, you need to show facts saying otherwise instead of opinion.
As for the Spirit: Anyone can say they are being led by the Spirit. Many today say this and yet they believe and do false things against the Holy Bible. So this is not some kind of standard that we can test and see. We need to go by the written instructions we are given by God to determine the truth. After all, the Scriptures are inspired by God.
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But again, all you have to do is research the internet and see that the KJV played a part in three of the great revivals we had in history. If you believe otherwise, you need to show facts saying otherwise instead of opinion.
As for the Spirit: Anyone can say they are being led by the Spirit. Many today say this and yet they believe and do false things against the Holy Bible. So this is not some kind of standard that we can test and see. We need to go by the written instructions we are given by God to determine the truth. After all, the Scriptures are inspired by God.
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And to whom hath the arm of the LORD been revealed? The Spirit (of Truth) is that which reveals the Arm of the LORD, but they do not perceive it, then it is not their eyes they are denying but the Truth.
"For they loved praise from men more than praise from God."-John 12:43
Romans 10:16 "But not all of them welcomed the good news..."
"For they loved praise from men more than praise from God."-John 12:43
Romans 10:16 "But not all of them welcomed the good news..."
John 12:38b-40 “Lord, who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the Lord
been revealed?” For this reason they were unable to believe. For again, Isaiah says: “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so that they cannot see with their eyes, and understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.”
Since you believe I haven’t resolved it, consider this: after this statement, did Neb act in accordance with his statement? No. He didn’t actually believe it the way you think he meant.
So you think it is acceptable for you to make insulting remarks and insinuations, but you want to “do better” than what you perceive to be immature comments? Get your priorities in order!
So you think it is acceptable for you to make insulting remarks and insinuations, but you want to “do better” than what you perceive to be immature comments? Get your priorities in order!
I have to agree with Dino246 on this point.
I disagree that the Job 1 & 2 setting was "IN HEAVEN".
I've made posts in the past, showing why.
It is an ASSUMPTION (and I believe, an INCORRECT one) that this "setting" was "IN HEAVEN / in the HEAVENLY COURTS".
These same words (the Hebrew words I placed in GREEN text ^ in your quote) are used elsewhere (together), when talking about "humans" on the earth (doing this... SAME [same Hebrew wording]). If there were NO other examples (where THESE specific Hebrew words are used [same way, together], regarding "humans" ON THE EARTH, doing this... then you might have a case. But there IS!)
Bottom line, it is only an ASSUMPTION that this setting is NOT on the earth (thus must be up IN HEAVEN, the assumption goes...)
I disagree that the Job 1 & 2 setting was "IN HEAVEN".
I've made posts in the past, showing why.
It is an ASSUMPTION (and I believe, an INCORRECT one) that this "setting" was "IN HEAVEN / in the HEAVENLY COURTS".
These same words (the Hebrew words I placed in GREEN text ^ in your quote) are used elsewhere (together), when talking about "humans" on the earth (doing this... SAME [same Hebrew wording]). If there were NO other examples (where THESE specific Hebrew words are used [same way, together], regarding "humans" ON THE EARTH, doing this... then you might have a case. But there IS!)
Bottom line, it is only an ASSUMPTION that this setting is NOT on the earth (thus must be up IN HEAVEN, the assumption goes...)