Do stillborns and deceased babies go to 'hell'
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One is born innocent, and remains so, until one reaches the point where they think they know enough to make a decision about sin/God. Being born into sin, means we live in a world that is predisposed to make sure we make the wrong decision about God. Until they understand and decide, babies have no sin to die from.
Alot of parents wondered this same thing and Paster Greg Laurie did a sermon on this a while ago. He said some of what you have in this paragraph saying that babies and young children get a free ride to heaven because they are too young to understand or haven't been taught anything about Jesus. Once a person gets old enough and has been taught and understands then it becomes if you accept Jesus or not.
Alot of parents wondered this same thing and Paster Greg Laurie did a sermon on this a while ago. He said some of what you have in this paragraph saying that babies and young children get a free ride to heaven because they are too young to understand or haven't been taught anything about Jesus. Once a person gets old enough and has been taught and understands then it becomes if you accept Jesus or not.
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Hello all
I have to apologize, In that i wasn't very clear. This is what I meant. I will do this in 2 Parts.
Part 1
Karlon was correct in my oppinion, According to paul there are 2 types of sin, The OriginaL or the root sin.
This means that all angels were created with this sin, it is like yeast at some point it becomes activated.
Then manifests in to the other type of sin which is action meaning the bad things we do to that lead to death.
the 7 deadly sins. in math, mark, and luke
Sorry im not giving exact scriptures, I am pressed for time and it has been several years since i have studied this, But i
remember the main points.
There is only 1 way to be saved. according to paul that is to recieve grace. and that means Act 2:36-38 to repent and
be baptised for the remmission of sin. and an intinty needs to be in the flesh and each individual has to make that
desision for them selves other wise lots of people would be sentenced to the 2nd death base on what some one else said
or did. Now that one way of recieving grace, is recieving the Holy Spirit through baptism. No other way can anyone be saved. No the Process
Angel goes to appointment. Jude. Gives up angelic host or body and enter flesh word through womb of woman. and becomes flesh. with no rememberance the things before, Now that Christ has shed his blood and paid the price. Now all peoples can be saved through grace. The recieving of the Holy Spirit through baptism. That can only be done in the flesh. And each and every individual must make that choice for our self. Except Lucifer he has been bared from becoming human. So his fate is sealed. But i digress. Now once we Are flesh. We as human beings can't make that desision for our self until we understand the desision we are making. Some reach that age of understanding at age 12, But for other later in life.
Conclusion
We must be flesh, and we must repent and be baptised for the remission of the original sin, The Holy Spirit will clean up the actionable sins we commit and wash them away.
that is why the simple i believe can not work. because even the devels say they believe.
Just remember a child just out of the womb can nol understand to make that choice. But by being born they met there appointment and they just go back to be with the lord. They fulfilled there oblagation.
and also remember that is what the millinial is for, they will get there chance, not a 2nd chance because they really never had one.
i hope this clears things up.
I have to apologize, In that i wasn't very clear. This is what I meant. I will do this in 2 Parts.
Part 1
Karlon was correct in my oppinion, According to paul there are 2 types of sin, The OriginaL or the root sin.
This means that all angels were created with this sin, it is like yeast at some point it becomes activated.
Then manifests in to the other type of sin which is action meaning the bad things we do to that lead to death.
the 7 deadly sins. in math, mark, and luke
Sorry im not giving exact scriptures, I am pressed for time and it has been several years since i have studied this, But i
remember the main points.
There is only 1 way to be saved. according to paul that is to recieve grace. and that means Act 2:36-38 to repent and
be baptised for the remmission of sin. and an intinty needs to be in the flesh and each individual has to make that
desision for them selves other wise lots of people would be sentenced to the 2nd death base on what some one else said
or did. Now that one way of recieving grace, is recieving the Holy Spirit through baptism. No other way can anyone be saved. No the Process
Angel goes to appointment. Jude. Gives up angelic host or body and enter flesh word through womb of woman. and becomes flesh. with no rememberance the things before, Now that Christ has shed his blood and paid the price. Now all peoples can be saved through grace. The recieving of the Holy Spirit through baptism. That can only be done in the flesh. And each and every individual must make that choice for our self. Except Lucifer he has been bared from becoming human. So his fate is sealed. But i digress. Now once we Are flesh. We as human beings can't make that desision for our self until we understand the desision we are making. Some reach that age of understanding at age 12, But for other later in life.
Conclusion
We must be flesh, and we must repent and be baptised for the remission of the original sin, The Holy Spirit will clean up the actionable sins we commit and wash them away.
that is why the simple i believe can not work. because even the devels say they believe.
Just remember a child just out of the womb can nol understand to make that choice. But by being born they met there appointment and they just go back to be with the lord. They fulfilled there oblagation.
and also remember that is what the millinial is for, they will get there chance, not a 2nd chance because they really never had one.
i hope this clears things up.
When must acknowledge that @brightfame52 is totally consistent in his "doctrines" and reveals the nasty result of such thinking.
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A few questions be fore my remarks.
1)would it be just to condemn a child to everlasting torment before they can act for themselves?
2)would mercy have any such place in that judgement?
3)would that depict the infinite love that God has for his children?
4)is the atonement of christ which is supposed to be infinite, somehow unable to claim such children.
5)who did christ say inherits the kingdom of God, what are we supposed to be like, and what did he say should happen to those who offend them?
No stillborns, infant deaths. They do not go to hell but are claimed by Christ.
1)would it be just to condemn a child to everlasting torment before they can act for themselves?
2)would mercy have any such place in that judgement?
3)would that depict the infinite love that God has for his children?
4)is the atonement of christ which is supposed to be infinite, somehow unable to claim such children.
5)who did christ say inherits the kingdom of God, what are we supposed to be like, and what did he say should happen to those who offend them?
No stillborns, infant deaths. They do not go to hell but are claimed by Christ.
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@JTB
Thats the mistake, we are born sinners, having sinned in our father and federal head Adam,
Adam’s disobedience was ours federally, by virtue of Covenant Transaction, Adam being a constituted Head of all his offspring federally Rom 5:18
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men[whom he represented] to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Secondly, Adam’s disobedience is ours by nature; for though my person has not eaten, yet my flesh {as derived from Adam} has; so that flesh and nature has eaten in the person of Adam; so that his Disobedience is imputed to my person, for it is the proper act of my flesh. “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.” Rom.5:12
quotes from article
*culy-conditionalism.pdf pg 4
Thats the mistake, we are born sinners, having sinned in our father and federal head Adam,
Adam’s disobedience was ours federally, by virtue of Covenant Transaction, Adam being a constituted Head of all his offspring federally Rom 5:18
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men[whom he represented] to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Secondly, Adam’s disobedience is ours by nature; for though my person has not eaten, yet my flesh {as derived from Adam} has; so that flesh and nature has eaten in the person of Adam; so that his Disobedience is imputed to my person, for it is the proper act of my flesh. “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.” Rom.5:12
quotes from article
*culy-conditionalism.pdf pg 4
I agree that humans are born innocent babies with the potential to attain the stage of accountability, comparable to when God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (GN 2:17). The spiritual status of humans before they reach the stage of moral accountability is not clearly explained in Scripture. Surely they would not go to hell, but on what basis would their destiny be heaven? Perhaps they share the fate of amoral animals, which is also not taught in the Bible.
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Children normally progress from infancy to puberty; which is a process that's
mostly chemical, i.e. puberty is a bodily function. Children that die very
young never get that far so they depart this life with the mind of a child
instead of the mind of the adult they could've been had they survived.
Now, John 3:3-7 says that no one can either enter or see the kingdom of
God without they first undergo regeneration, which is a supernatural
procedure performed by the hand of God. I can only guess how that might
apply to underage children but I rather suspect that they have to undergo
that procedure sooner or later just like everybody else because Jesus said
regeneration isn't optional, rather, it's required, no exceptions.
● John 3:7 . .You must be born again.
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Children normally progress from infancy to puberty; which is a process that's
mostly chemical, i.e. puberty is a bodily function. Children that die very
young never get that far so they depart this life with the mind of a child
instead of the mind of the adult they could've been had they survived.
Now, John 3:3-7 says that no one can either enter or see the kingdom of
God without they first undergo regeneration, which is a supernatural
procedure performed by the hand of God. I can only guess how that might
apply to underage children but I rather suspect that they have to undergo
that procedure sooner or later just like everybody else because Jesus said
regeneration isn't optional, rather, it's required, no exceptions.
● John 3:7 . .You must be born again.
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What about Jesus saying, "Unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven?" (MT 18:3)
Or on the other hand, what about GN 1:26, "God said, Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness..." combined with 3:22, "The Lord God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil..."? Could this mean that humans do not become accountable and thus condemnable or saveable until they reach the stage of God-consciousness and moral conscience?
Are these passages helpful?
Or on the other hand, what about GN 1:26, "God said, Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness..." combined with 3:22, "The Lord God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil..."? Could this mean that humans do not become accountable and thus condemnable or saveable until they reach the stage of God-consciousness and moral conscience?
Are these passages helpful?
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Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (John 3:3)
And:
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the
kingdom of God. (John 3:5)
The Greek words translated "man" in those two passages are nondescript
terms for all mankind regardless of age, race, gender identity, and/or
religious preference. This would include all who lived in the old testament
era too, e.g. Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Ruth, David, and
Moses & the prophets, etc.
FAQ: Why is regeneration so essential?
REPLY: Because that which is human-born has thus far failed, and will continue to
fail, to live up to the supreme being's standards to where it can say "I
always do what pleases Him" (John 8:29) Granted there are folks who've
pleased the supreme being some of the time, and even those who've
pleased God most of the time, but none who've pleased Him always without
fail.
* The bar is set pretty high; it is no less than the supreme being's own
100% sinless perfection. (Rom 3:23)
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Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (John 3:3)
And:
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the
kingdom of God. (John 3:5)
The Greek words translated "man" in those two passages are nondescript
terms for all mankind regardless of age, race, gender identity, and/or
religious preference. This would include all who lived in the old testament
era too, e.g. Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Ruth, David, and
Moses & the prophets, etc.
FAQ: Why is regeneration so essential?
REPLY: Because that which is human-born has thus far failed, and will continue to
fail, to live up to the supreme being's standards to where it can say "I
always do what pleases Him" (John 8:29) Granted there are folks who've
pleased the supreme being some of the time, and even those who've
pleased God most of the time, but none who've pleased Him always without
fail.
* The bar is set pretty high; it is no less than the supreme being's own
100% sinless perfection. (Rom 3:23)
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It's possible that babies are born innocent, but none are born sinless; not
even David; and the guy said to be a man after God's own heart is a hard
act to follow.
● Ps 51:5 . . Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother
conceived me.
Plus: the first man's fall took everyone into sin.
● Rom 5:12 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and death through
sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned
"all sinned" is past tense rather than present, indicating that the first man's
entire posterity from first to last were joint principals in his act-- not in their
own time, rather, in his.
● Rom 5:19 . . By one man's disobedience many were made sinners.
FAQ: How can that be valid when Deut 24:16 & Ezek 18:20 say a man's
children are not held accountable for his mistakes?
REPLY: The secret to this is simply timing. According to Deut 5:2-4, Rom
4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17, the laws of God-- especially His codified rules
and regulations --are not enforced ex post facto, i.e. they aren't retroactive.
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We'd be better off never knowing the law.
And no,babies,stillborn,aborted,can never go to Hell. They return to God who gave them their soul.
If they were to go to Hell being innocent in the womb and as babies,their soul would have to be sinful from inception. Which means as God created their form in the womb his breath of life that bestows the soul is corrupt.
That's not God. That's Satan.
And no,babies,stillborn,aborted,can never go to Hell. They return to God who gave them their soul.
If they were to go to Hell being innocent in the womb and as babies,their soul would have to be sinful from inception. Which means as God created their form in the womb his breath of life that bestows the soul is corrupt.
That's not God. That's Satan.