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@Yahshua said: "I'm not anti-Israel. I'm "anti" that murderous counterfeit terrorist state. "
On the contrary, your hoaxes (fake Jews, lost tribes etc) are being identified and called out. Which is why I am here.
Oh.....and please tell me how these passages tie into the Jacob and the stew and the birthright?
Oh yes @Moses_Young by all means render your opinion too.....if you have something of value to add other than cheap shot sniveling red "x"s.
And yes, I know. I do in fact know perfectly how these ineffably fit together and what is going on here. And you do not. Obviously.
Gen 20:3
But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
Gen 26:11
And Abimelech charged all his people, saying, He that toucheth this man or his wife shall surely be put to death.
Gen 38:26
And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.
Rth 4:12
And let thy house be like the house of Pharez, whom Tamar bare unto Judah, of the seed which the LORD shall give thee of this young woman.
Rom 9:12
It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:17
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
On the contrary, your hoaxes (fake Jews, lost tribes etc) are being identified and called out. Which is why I am here.
Oh.....and please tell me how these passages tie into the Jacob and the stew and the birthright?
Oh yes @Moses_Young by all means render your opinion too.....if you have something of value to add other than cheap shot sniveling red "x"s.
And yes, I know. I do in fact know perfectly how these ineffably fit together and what is going on here. And you do not. Obviously.
Gen 20:3
But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
Gen 26:11
And Abimelech charged all his people, saying, He that toucheth this man or his wife shall surely be put to death.
Gen 38:26
And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.
Rth 4:12
And let thy house be like the house of Pharez, whom Tamar bare unto Judah, of the seed which the LORD shall give thee of this young woman.
Rom 9:12
It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:17
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
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Proverbs 9:8 and Proverbs 26:3-5. Take my advice and avoid the rod. You're welcome! 
And yes, you have FAILED to provide any answer to my last post.
And tell us again how YOU think that Jacob stole the birthright from Esau in an evil and underhanded scam.
As @Yahshua believes.
And your red "x" is yet another failing grade for your too @Moses_Young
I find it amazing that two posters self-identifying with kinda sorta "Jewish" handles don't have the slightest idea of what they are talking about regarding Jacob, Joseph and the OT. And exhibit EXTRAORDINARY revulsion to the VERY EXISTENCE of the present day State of Israel.
Tragic. Glad its not my problem.
I find it amazing that two posters self-identifying with kinda sorta "Jewish" handles don't have the slightest idea of what they are talking about regarding Jacob, Joseph and the OT. And exhibit EXTRAORDINARY revulsion to the VERY EXISTENCE of the present day State of Israel.
Tragic. Glad its not my problem.
This is insane. Or would be in a legit election.
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Well, condescension breeds the same so expect it back if you're going to act like that.
Liberals are no fan of Israel, nor it's PM. But Americans stand with Israel so libs give lip service to supporting them. I didn't say I didn't believe it, but I find it hard to understand why I can't find any mainstream stories about the incident. And yes, mainstream news does talk about it. They're talking more about Gaza than Oct 7th. They don't back Israel, that's for sure.
No it's not really that hard to find a major news story. That's my point. But I did put in what you said and got the same results. The only one I saw from any news I recognized was NBC and it was dated 2024.
I didn't say it wasn't a real thing.
More deflection. It's really an easy question. I'm asking you, do you understand that Palestinians are semitic people?
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It's not deflection, it's the name used when people are Anti-Jew, that's a simple fact. But I don't believe in "Palestinians", it's a political term. "Palestinians" are Arabs. No such people in history.
Yeah, because they are terrorists.
Right, for the same reason.
Nice try!! rofl. The reason I have a problem with it is because it's a lie. Israel didn't slaughter it's own people on Oct 7 just for the hell of it. That's insane to even try to say that. It's simple propaganda and easy to see through.
Well discuss that further when I get some time.
Well, there's a Christlike spirit. I believe Islam is a demonic religion, but my sister was able to make a missions trip and the missionaries told her Muslims are having dreams and coming to Christ. And that is what Christians pray for, that all will come to Christ. You need to hit your knees and stay there until you find a love for the lost.
People of the book... interesting term. I didn't say the Jews never sinned. I said God's covenant was unconditional and everlasting. If you know the Bible, you'd understand the Abrahamic covenant. But you obviously don't. It's funny how we have so much grace for ourselves and people we love, yet try to withhold God's grace from others.
Liberals are no fan of Israel, nor it's PM. But Americans stand with Israel so libs give lip service to supporting them. I didn't say I didn't believe it, but I find it hard to understand why I can't find any mainstream stories about the incident. And yes, mainstream news does talk about it. They're talking more about Gaza than Oct 7th. They don't back Israel, that's for sure.
No it's not really that hard to find a major news story. That's my point. But I did put in what you said and got the same results. The only one I saw from any news I recognized was NBC and it was dated 2024.
I didn't say it wasn't a real thing.
More deflection. It's really an easy question. I'm asking you, do you understand that Palestinians are semitic people?
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It's not deflection, it's the name used when people are Anti-Jew, that's a simple fact. But I don't believe in "Palestinians", it's a political term. "Palestinians" are Arabs. No such people in history.
Yeah, because they are terrorists.
Right, for the same reason.
Nice try!! rofl. The reason I have a problem with it is because it's a lie. Israel didn't slaughter it's own people on Oct 7 just for the hell of it. That's insane to even try to say that. It's simple propaganda and easy to see through.
Well discuss that further when I get some time.
Well, there's a Christlike spirit. I believe Islam is a demonic religion, but my sister was able to make a missions trip and the missionaries told her Muslims are having dreams and coming to Christ. And that is what Christians pray for, that all will come to Christ. You need to hit your knees and stay there until you find a love for the lost.
People of the book... interesting term. I didn't say the Jews never sinned. I said God's covenant was unconditional and everlasting. If you know the Bible, you'd understand the Abrahamic covenant. But you obviously don't. It's funny how we have so much grace for ourselves and people we love, yet try to withhold God's grace from others.
Nothing will stop the Antisemite Christian Identity proponents here except to let their platform for promoting hate against Jews,Israel, and Jewish Yeshua, who was GOD, die for lack of Christians rising to their bait.
Let them spew hate and then deny it. That just makes one more bit of evidence against their character. They falsified their registration to enter a Christian restricted board just to stand with Hamas and Christian Identity promotion.
We can't tell their hate speech to go to Hell. But God can. And the Jewish Jesus tells us this.
They won't hear that until it is too late.
Let them scream hate in a vacuum. Because we are told to have nothing to do with the evil that they are.
Let them spew hate and then deny it. That just makes one more bit of evidence against their character. They falsified their registration to enter a Christian restricted board just to stand with Hamas and Christian Identity promotion.
We can't tell their hate speech to go to Hell. But God can. And the Jewish Jesus tells us this.
They won't hear that until it is too late.
Let them scream hate in a vacuum. Because we are told to have nothing to do with the evil that they are.
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Ten toes down.
I'm surprised you're not floating around somewhere with this much self-aggrandizing, CV.
What do you want me to piece together here?
Oh, I guess this is your gripe.
Firstly, there's no issue with Jacob receiving the promised birthright & blessing. I was pointing out that many times when the Almighty spoke against the people He called them "Jacob" (because they were acting like their father before he was changed) and whenever he spoke towards the people he called them "Israel" (because they were acting like people who strived with God). The only exception to this that I've found is when The Almighty is distinguishing between houses He'll say "Israel" and "Judah", but when He's reprimanding Israel as a whole He typically calls them "Jacob" because they're being "less than godly".
Jacob was promised the birthright & blessing because Esau rejected it. It was surely his. He did not need to commit an act of sin (i.e., he lied and stole) to receive it. Being a prophet of The Almighty, Isaac blesses both sons with a blessing that sounds similar but is significantly different. Paraphrasing for time (Gen 27)...
- Jacob would receive the cream of the crop that the world has to offer with nations blessing him.
- Esau also would receive the cream of the crop that the world has to offer, but only (a) through the sword and (b) only after Esau freed himself from Jacob's yolk.
The descendants of Esau have hated and plotted against the descendants of Israel ever since, to the point where each time Israel fell into trouble Edomites were there to claim Israel's possessions and identity as theirs. Ask yourself how the house of Herod (Edomites) and the Pharisees (Edomites) gained power in Judea while calling themselves Jews?
The law of God prescribes an eye for an eye to satisfy one's sin against another (unless the victim forgives the sin), meaning the person must have done to them what they did to the one they sinned against to balance the scales.
Jacob never needed to lie and steal the birthright but because he did, whenever he would go through trouble, Esau's yolk would be loosed and Esau would get his chance to receive the blessings that are Jacob's...but it would be through bloodshed.
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The Messiah prophesied against the Jews saying that because they rejected him they would experience all the punishments laid out in the scriptures: they would be killed and scattered and forget who they are while worshipping false gods. This is the "blindness" of Romans 11: They would no longer remember the name Israel until they repent and turn to the Messiah.
And during this "time of trouble" for Jacob, the blessing spoken to Esau would activate: Edomites would lie to pretend to be Israel, and receive Israel's property and the cream of the crop the world has to offer through the sword. And to maintain it, they would constantly have to shed blood.
This satisfies the law of "eye for an eye" because through a lie Edomites do to Israelites what Jacob did to Esau.
Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Disclaimer: Not talking about all but a great many. In fact, there were obedient servants of The Almighty who were Edomites. The prophet Obadiah was an Edomite if I'm not mistaken. Those who cared for their brother Jacob during his trouble were and will be blessed for it.
I'm surprised you're not floating around somewhere with this much self-aggrandizing, CV.
What do you want me to piece together here?
Oh, I guess this is your gripe.
Firstly, there's no issue with Jacob receiving the promised birthright & blessing. I was pointing out that many times when the Almighty spoke against the people He called them "Jacob" (because they were acting like their father before he was changed) and whenever he spoke towards the people he called them "Israel" (because they were acting like people who strived with God). The only exception to this that I've found is when The Almighty is distinguishing between houses He'll say "Israel" and "Judah", but when He's reprimanding Israel as a whole He typically calls them "Jacob" because they're being "less than godly".
Jacob was promised the birthright & blessing because Esau rejected it. It was surely his. He did not need to commit an act of sin (i.e., he lied and stole) to receive it. Being a prophet of The Almighty, Isaac blesses both sons with a blessing that sounds similar but is significantly different. Paraphrasing for time (Gen 27)...
- Jacob would receive the cream of the crop that the world has to offer with nations blessing him.
- Esau also would receive the cream of the crop that the world has to offer, but only (a) through the sword and (b) only after Esau freed himself from Jacob's yolk.
The descendants of Esau have hated and plotted against the descendants of Israel ever since, to the point where each time Israel fell into trouble Edomites were there to claim Israel's possessions and identity as theirs. Ask yourself how the house of Herod (Edomites) and the Pharisees (Edomites) gained power in Judea while calling themselves Jews?
The law of God prescribes an eye for an eye to satisfy one's sin against another (unless the victim forgives the sin), meaning the person must have done to them what they did to the one they sinned against to balance the scales.
Jacob never needed to lie and steal the birthright but because he did, whenever he would go through trouble, Esau's yolk would be loosed and Esau would get his chance to receive the blessings that are Jacob's...but it would be through bloodshed.
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The Messiah prophesied against the Jews saying that because they rejected him they would experience all the punishments laid out in the scriptures: they would be killed and scattered and forget who they are while worshipping false gods. This is the "blindness" of Romans 11: They would no longer remember the name Israel until they repent and turn to the Messiah.
And during this "time of trouble" for Jacob, the blessing spoken to Esau would activate: Edomites would lie to pretend to be Israel, and receive Israel's property and the cream of the crop the world has to offer through the sword. And to maintain it, they would constantly have to shed blood.
This satisfies the law of "eye for an eye" because through a lie Edomites do to Israelites what Jacob did to Esau.
Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Disclaimer: Not talking about all but a great many. In fact, there were obedient servants of The Almighty who were Edomites. The prophet Obadiah was an Edomite if I'm not mistaken. Those who cared for their brother Jacob during his trouble were and will be blessed for it.
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Just like the folks you defend, somehow you forget it was you who precipitated this. As history will show I give everyone the same benefit of the doubt and olive branch at the beginning of an exchange until their spirit is quickly revealed. So have at it. It bothers me none. I know who I'm speaking with.
You bought up October 7th. Listen, are you going to respond to my response posts to your supposed scriptural proofs rather than this back-and-forth?
Which would you like to see? I'll posts all the links you want to see that they're showing me. I'll go down the entire list if you want.
Regurgitated talking point. Would you like me to share proof that everyone including Jewish people called it Palestine and the people Palestinians? Even Golda Meir said she was a Palestinian.
Statements like this are what compel me to walk out the logic step by step. What makes them terrorists and 1933 Germans demonic? Wasn't it stuff they...DID?
It wasn't for "the heck of it" it was for several purposes. To even have such a directive is beyond the pale don't you think? And we're talking broadly about what they're doing to innocent people. Even right now, hundreds of innocent people are being obliterated. And yet you would say "Well they told them to leave. They warned them to get away! See! They're moral!"
Imagine for a moment you're not a wealthy and privileged American (I assume) who can't just up and travel whenever you want...and even the poorest of us are far more wealthy than they are. Imagine being old or sickly or with child or with a bunch of children and suddenly being told you have to leave where you live because jets are on their way; tanks are on their way. And not just clear out of the area you're in for a moment but pack up your entire life somehow in a short time.
And then if you even manage to flee in time, when you get to the place you were told to go to, imagine they say you have to leave that place to move on to another place. You're not driving a car because they bomb cars. You're walking. With EVERYTHING you've got (trying to). Now imagine while you're trying to comply they just drop bombs on you anyhow ripping you and your children apart.
It's utterly ridiculous that I even have to spell this out.
I do pray each day with tears in my eyes to The Almighty in the name of The Messiah, the Holy One, that judgment falls on these evil people for what they're doing and that the innocent are saved. And I pray for His speedy return.
Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated
Romans 12:9
Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
It is the Spirit of Almighty to love what He loves and to hate what He hates. Meanwhile, it is a counterfeit spirit that can't tell the difference between good and evil.
Yes, you've said those words a lot: unconditional and everlasting, despite showing you scripture that there were conditions.
Sounds like projection. "Why don't we give them graceeee even though they've carpet-bombed little children playing atop rubble for the 100th time?? Clearly, it was another accident that needs to be investigated by themselves...and we're not going to stay on them. We'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll do a thorough investigation against themselves."
"Why don't we give them graceeee even though they've completely cut off humanitarian aid to both access points into the strip?? Clearly, they don't mean to starve the entire populace like they've been doing for an entire year...let's give them another whole month to stop it."
No, I can't do that. All they need to do is stop and then I'll stop. But they won't stop. They have no intentions to.
You bought up October 7th. Listen, are you going to respond to my response posts to your supposed scriptural proofs rather than this back-and-forth?
Which would you like to see? I'll posts all the links you want to see that they're showing me. I'll go down the entire list if you want.
Regurgitated talking point. Would you like me to share proof that everyone including Jewish people called it Palestine and the people Palestinians? Even Golda Meir said she was a Palestinian.
Statements like this are what compel me to walk out the logic step by step. What makes them terrorists and 1933 Germans demonic? Wasn't it stuff they...DID?
It wasn't for "the heck of it" it was for several purposes. To even have such a directive is beyond the pale don't you think? And we're talking broadly about what they're doing to innocent people. Even right now, hundreds of innocent people are being obliterated. And yet you would say "Well they told them to leave. They warned them to get away! See! They're moral!"
Imagine for a moment you're not a wealthy and privileged American (I assume) who can't just up and travel whenever you want...and even the poorest of us are far more wealthy than they are. Imagine being old or sickly or with child or with a bunch of children and suddenly being told you have to leave where you live because jets are on their way; tanks are on their way. And not just clear out of the area you're in for a moment but pack up your entire life somehow in a short time.
And then if you even manage to flee in time, when you get to the place you were told to go to, imagine they say you have to leave that place to move on to another place. You're not driving a car because they bomb cars. You're walking. With EVERYTHING you've got (trying to). Now imagine while you're trying to comply they just drop bombs on you anyhow ripping you and your children apart.
It's utterly ridiculous that I even have to spell this out.
I do pray each day with tears in my eyes to The Almighty in the name of The Messiah, the Holy One, that judgment falls on these evil people for what they're doing and that the innocent are saved. And I pray for His speedy return.
Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated
Romans 12:9
Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
It is the Spirit of Almighty to love what He loves and to hate what He hates. Meanwhile, it is a counterfeit spirit that can't tell the difference between good and evil.
Yes, you've said those words a lot: unconditional and everlasting, despite showing you scripture that there were conditions.
Sounds like projection. "Why don't we give them graceeee even though they've carpet-bombed little children playing atop rubble for the 100th time?? Clearly, it was another accident that needs to be investigated by themselves...and we're not going to stay on them. We'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll do a thorough investigation against themselves."
"Why don't we give them graceeee even though they've completely cut off humanitarian aid to both access points into the strip?? Clearly, they don't mean to starve the entire populace like they've been doing for an entire year...let's give them another whole month to stop it."
No, I can't do that. All they need to do is stop and then I'll stop. But they won't stop. They have no intentions to.
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Oooopppps.
The birthright has everything to do with Gods plan of SALVATION. Not the "stuff".
As for piecing those other passages together, you will make zero progress without the foregoing.
And good luck on your intrepid quest of finding the "fake Jews".
Why you are doing that, I will be watching for something far more urgently Biblical in nature.
The birthright has everything to do with Gods plan of SALVATION. Not the "stuff".
As for piecing those other passages together, you will make zero progress without the foregoing.
And good luck on your intrepid quest of finding the "fake Jews".
Why you are doing that, I will be watching for something far more urgently Biblical in nature.
This is a straw man argument. And, you are wrong.
A necessary core component of 'racism' is 'race'.
I said a group of people - not a race of people.
To refer to a group of people does not automatically/necessarily mean a race of people.
If I am specifically referring to a group of olympic athletes or corporate executives - what "race" is that?
If I were to say that I had a low regard for all of the folks posting "trash talk" in this thread - what "race" is that?
A person can have a low regard for some particular group of people without being a 'racist'.
According to prophecy, they cannot "have again the land" until the dry bones prophecy has fully been fulfilled completely and entirely.
There IS NO - and, CANNOT BE - a biblical 'nation of Israel' until the dry bones prophecy has fully been fulfilled completely and entirely.
There are some things you are missing here. Unfortunately, I really do not have time to explain it now - perhaps at a later time.
A necessary core component of 'racism' is 'race'.
I said a group of people - not a race of people.
To refer to a group of people does not automatically/necessarily mean a race of people.
If I am specifically referring to a group of olympic athletes or corporate executives - what "race" is that?
If I were to say that I had a low regard for all of the folks posting "trash talk" in this thread - what "race" is that?
A person can have a low regard for some particular group of people without being a 'racist'.
According to prophecy, they cannot "have again the land" until the dry bones prophecy has fully been fulfilled completely and entirely.
There IS NO - and, CANNOT BE - a biblical 'nation of Israel' until the dry bones prophecy has fully been fulfilled completely and entirely.
There are some things you are missing here. Unfortunately, I really do not have time to explain it now - perhaps at a later time.
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They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready
Ezekiel 7:14 They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for my wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.
For the last seven years since 2017 the watchmen have been blowing the trumpet, warning of the Lord's return. So then, have all the Christians and churches called for all night prayer vigils? For the most part, maybe 95% the answer is no. They had the pandemic and the shutdown, at that time did they all turn to the word and prayer? Maybe for 95% the answer is no. Yes, many turned to complaining on the internet, but not to praying, not to the word of God, not to seeking the Lord. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022. The watchmen were blowing the trumpet even more but for the most part they were either ignored or people debated with them. Hamas attacked Israel according to Psalm 83 and again, few went to their knees to pray, or to the word of God. No, they debated and they claimed Israel was evil. It was very interesting, this did cause a division, those that stood with the Lord and with the word of God did begin to stand up and to stand strong against the age. Now it was more like 10% of Christians were standing up, speaking out, praying and turning to the word of God. But 90% were debating, or didn't want to hear about it, or were even trying to justify themselves by condemning Israel.
15 The sword is without, and the pestilence and the famine within: he that is in the field shall die with the sword; and he that is in the city, famine and pestilence shall devour him.
For the last four years the Christians were warned to brace themselves by the dreams of Dana Coverstone and others. They could have easily and cheaply stockpiled food. Joseph's kitchen sells wheat in barrels of grain. You can buy a year's supply of food for one person for $1,000. That is far cheaper than what people spend today. That works out to $3 a day or $90 a month. So if you are struggling with inflation you could have bought this and stocked up on this. It is much cheaper than anything else you could have been eating. But, did they heed the warning?
16 But they that escape of them shall escape, and shall be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, every one for his iniquity.
Notice that they are on the mountains, that is where Lot fled to after Sodom was destroyed.
17 All hands shall be feeble, and all knees shall be weak as water.
Were they arrogant before, rejecting the word of God, rejecting the warnings that God sent?
18 They shall also gird themselves with sackcloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads.
Horror for what they have witnessed, shame for their being asleep and ignoring all the warnings, and baldness as a testimony that their head was not covered. They claim Jesus is Lord but they all did what was right in their own eyes and ignored the Lord's leading.
Ezekiel 7:14 They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for my wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.
For the last seven years since 2017 the watchmen have been blowing the trumpet, warning of the Lord's return. So then, have all the Christians and churches called for all night prayer vigils? For the most part, maybe 95% the answer is no. They had the pandemic and the shutdown, at that time did they all turn to the word and prayer? Maybe for 95% the answer is no. Yes, many turned to complaining on the internet, but not to praying, not to the word of God, not to seeking the Lord. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022. The watchmen were blowing the trumpet even more but for the most part they were either ignored or people debated with them. Hamas attacked Israel according to Psalm 83 and again, few went to their knees to pray, or to the word of God. No, they debated and they claimed Israel was evil. It was very interesting, this did cause a division, those that stood with the Lord and with the word of God did begin to stand up and to stand strong against the age. Now it was more like 10% of Christians were standing up, speaking out, praying and turning to the word of God. But 90% were debating, or didn't want to hear about it, or were even trying to justify themselves by condemning Israel.
15 The sword is without, and the pestilence and the famine within: he that is in the field shall die with the sword; and he that is in the city, famine and pestilence shall devour him.
For the last four years the Christians were warned to brace themselves by the dreams of Dana Coverstone and others. They could have easily and cheaply stockpiled food. Joseph's kitchen sells wheat in barrels of grain. You can buy a year's supply of food for one person for $1,000. That is far cheaper than what people spend today. That works out to $3 a day or $90 a month. So if you are struggling with inflation you could have bought this and stocked up on this. It is much cheaper than anything else you could have been eating. But, did they heed the warning?
16 But they that escape of them shall escape, and shall be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, every one for his iniquity.
Notice that they are on the mountains, that is where Lot fled to after Sodom was destroyed.
17 All hands shall be feeble, and all knees shall be weak as water.
Were they arrogant before, rejecting the word of God, rejecting the warnings that God sent?
18 They shall also gird themselves with sackcloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads.
Horror for what they have witnessed, shame for their being asleep and ignoring all the warnings, and baldness as a testimony that their head was not covered. They claim Jesus is Lord but they all did what was right in their own eyes and ignored the Lord's leading.
.....I think I used yolk instead of yoke in my post to CV. lol
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