The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.
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Think. Would you buy a house if you were given multiple conflicting contracts? That is what is so dumb about folks believing in a buffet of conflicting Modern Bibles to follow. It's a Choose Your Adventure Bible mentality. There are over 50 plus doctrinal changes in Modern Bibles that are for the worse, and not for the better.
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As doctrine does not exist outside of exegesis and interpretation, your assertion is incoherent.
There may be quite a few differences in wording between the KJV and a particular modern translation, but given that few modern versions are actually modified KJV translations, they aren’t “changes”.
You chirp about exact words being necessary in Scripture but you don’t care to use precise words in your arguments… resulting in arguments that are easily refuted or dismissed. Another KjV-only advocate does the same thing.
Yes, it appears to be a false friend. Bede, who first made this connection admits this idea is his speculation; he is not actually aware of a goddess called Eostre, he just thinks there was one. There is not a single reference to her, from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, any of the other writings we have from the period, or from inscriptions. No depiction, no amulets, nothing. What I am saying is that our secular culture has turned the holiday Easter into some kind of fertility celebration involving the Easter bunny and baskets full of candy eggs, and other things., and there are dictionaries selling this false story of some fertility goddess (for those pagans who do truly want to go down the road of such extreme nonsense).
The Easter Bunny itself originates from German folklore. According to legend, a rabbit known as the "Osterhase" (Easter Hare) would lay eggs and hide them for children to find. German immigrants brought this tradition to America in the 1700s, where it evolved into today’s Easter Bunny, who brings eggs as a treat, giving us Easter..
So, while we all know rabbits don’t lay eggs, they’ve become linked with Easter eggs as symbols of new life at the pagan folk-lore celebration of Easter here in the US, with this holiday also giving believers a Christian alternative of pointing out Christ's resurrection. Personally, I do not know for sure this was the correct timing of the resurrection of our Lord, so I am not much into such such a holiday. The only holiday I believe is biblical or truly Christian is Thanksgiving.
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You did not even see all 50 of them, and you are dismissing them out of hand. How very Democratic Liberal Left of you.
Again, you are selling a false narrative. 1 John 5:7 is removed in Modern Bibles,, and there are other words and verses removed. Some are cast into doubt with footnotes and say they are not in the oldest and best manuscripts (Which they are saying is the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus). But Aleph and B are the worse manuscripts. They have corrections all over them. They never been chemically date tested. They teach Catholic ideas, and they do not even agree with each other in 3,000 places in the gospels alone. This is why Westcott and Hort had to make a new sham-Wow never before seen Greek text.
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I am not against Dynamic Equivalence if it is used sparingly or occasionally. This is what the KJV has done. However, the KJV is primarily a formal equivalent translation. The Bible includes metaphors, and the book of Revelation is highly symbolic. Perhaps the English word 'farthing' that appears in the KJV during England's time was God’s attempt to give us a more symbolic meaning of the Roman coin. Maybe God wanted believers of that time to convey the general concept without confusing the issue by referencing a foreign coin that many would simply be unfamiliar with, which would have compromised intelligibility.
Today, we can look up words with a touch of a button or by speaking into our phones, but back then, average people did not have that luxury. Rather than confuse the main point being made, the choice was one to give the reader a more clear understanding at this point to effectively communicate the overall message. Again, I see no problem here unless you are looking for a problem. God can translate His Word as He pleases.
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Seeing the KJV tells me to trust both Christ and His Word (Which would be in the form of the KJV), I trust both of them.
Jesus said we are to abide in Him, and His words. The words I get from Jesus come from the KJV. Modern Bibles change and remove the actual words of Jesus. Modern Bibles even make Jesus appear to sin at times, as well. Why would I trust Modern Bibles? It's just silly to do so. Can Modern Bibles be helpful to use like a dictionary in fleshing out the 1600s English in the KJV at times? Yes, absolutely. But the Modern Bibles also teach false doctrines in over 50 places, and the scholars have changed the meaning on certain Greek words in the NT to fit their agenda of acting like a priest in the Catholic church, asserting control over the little people (i.e., the scholars or scribes).
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To be unbiased, you can simply ask ChatGPT (an AI tool) to tell you if there are differences of meaning in the text. I have been doing this to get a more unbiased approach. So no. It is not just, all me, who is tripping over himself to see only my own interpretation. I believe things should be looked at fairly.
Granted, ChatGPT can make mistakes, but I do ask for sources for its information whenever I can.
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I've heard that to understand difficult verses of the Bible or to have deeper meaning of any verse, requires guidance of the Holy Spirit. Any thoughts about this?
The Pharisees, for instance, strictly tithed even the smallest garden herbs—mint, dill, and cumin—demonstrating their fastidious adherence to the smallest ritual requirements (Matthew 23:23). However, in doing so, they neglected “the weightier matters of the law, like love, judgment, mercy, and faith,” which God values more highly. These were the "gnats" they were fixated on as being more important—minor ritualistic rules that became their focus, even though they were required, they were relatively unimportant compared to the weightier matters of God's laws like love, faith, justice, and mercy.
My point was taking this as a loose comparison to the Modern Bible Advocate's attack on the KJV vs. my attack against the Modern Translations. There is no real contest. There are only small issues that are brought up against the KJV, and there are major issues in the Modern Bibles. That was the point I was making.
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Right, I believe the Holy Spirit will guide an English-speaking Christian to use the KJV because He will point out the corruptions in Modern Bibles that the KJV exposes. See, the KJV is like magnifying glass that exposes the errors of the Modern Bibles. Scripture (the KJV) is inspired by the Holy Spirit. Proof? Just check out this video here:
Note: I do not believe the English supersedes the KJV in the sense that it replaces the original languages, but I do see how God can convey things to us in English that may not be possible in the original languages. Granted, the essence or heart of the meaning is there in the original languages with the KJV.
I believe the Hebrew, and Greek are very important to study for deeper meaning of what is behind the English words of the KJV (Which are still correct words in English).
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Then handle: 1 Cor 2:2.
OF COURSE Paul dealt with theological hevies in the EPistles. I was referring to his interaction with the heathen, and Jews
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I didn’t “dismiss” anything. I said your statement is incoherent.
Wrong and misleading. “Removed” is completely the wrong concept here. One can only “remove” something that was present. The words, phrases and verses that appear in the KJV but not in “modern translations” have been examined and determined to be later additions to the text rather than original. The translators left out what didn’t belong.
As poetic as the KJV may sound, the English language has changed drastically in 400 years.
Many words in the KJV have changed meaning since then or are not even being used anymore, unless one is a thespian in a Shakespearean play.
If one feels the need to use the KJV, a KJV study Bible with footnotes makes it easier to comprehend.
Anyone who is middle-aged or older can testify how words and phrases have changed since the 80's
You have already proven yourself to be gaslighting us by your inability to reason with what you were shown so far...
But, you were smart enough to find something to try to defend "Easter" appearing in the KJV? Weren't you?
Who are you to take up our time? Some trophy?
For all we know? They way you keep blocking real answers?
You can very well be a biblically educated witch. Prove you're not.
Prove you're not.
Sure, you will have all the right words you learned to say.
But, it's your fruit that 'stinketh.'
Time waster!
Why do we keep arguing with this guy? Most Christians whom the Holy Spirit is working will know that the King James spiel he keeps giving is intended to get us away from discovering the true content of the Word of God.
At first, we tried to reason. It's a dumb argument. Let him have it.
I remember one time seeing a bumper sticker "KJV Only" on a car. The people inside looked a certain type... the kind always trying to prove their worth by beating you in an argument. It's all they got for self-esteem. They prove their worth by winning arguments that defy logic.
Leave em be...
You know too much to be so stupid. It has to be a personal vendetta. A resentment you have against what you see as stupid Christians. And, a strong desire to prove it.
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.
And? If you can't comprehend that?
Here!
Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge:
but he that hateth reproof is brutish.
Proverbs 12:1