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So we can worship other gods, steal ,lie, break His holy Sabbath, murder etc.

There is no scripture that says Jesus fulfilled the Ten Commandments so we can profane them. I’m not sure where you are getting this from, but it’s not written in our bibles.
Yes, Jesus condensed the Ten Commandments by summarizing them with the new commandment or law of love per JN 13:34 & 15:12.

The fourth commandment was part of the Sabbatarian and sacrificial system that was "set aside" by a new "better hope" per HB 7:18 (cf. 8:7-13, 9:1, 15 &10:1).

Jesus reaffirmed the moral commandments, and Paul said in CL 2:16-17, "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These [the Mosaic sacrificial system] are a shadow of the things that were to come [the New Covenant]; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
 
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Yes, Jesus condensed the Ten Commandments by summarizing them with the new commandment or law of love per JN 13:34 & 15:12.

The fourth commandment was part of the Sabbatarian and sacrificial system that was "set aside" by a new "better hope" per HB 7:18 (cf. 8:7-13, 9:1, 15 &10:1).

Jesus reaffirmed the moral commandments, and Paul said in CL 2:16-17, "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These [the Mosaic sacrificial system] are a shadow of the things that were to come [the New Covenant]; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
Thank you for this.
You placed a lot here, so I'll use a few different posts to answer it as it will be easier to read.

I know this is popular teachings, but what I care about is it what the bible teaches once we look at the whole context.

Do you believe God is our Authority and what He writes is Truth?

If we don't agree on this premise we will never on the scriptures.

The Sabbath did start after the fall of man when sacrifices started. It started at Creation, when God made everything perfect. The Sabbath is part of God's perfect plan Sacrifices came after sin entered the world

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

How do we know the Sabbath started at Creation? God tells us plainly

These are God's spoken and personally written Words:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

So God points the Sabbath to Creation and it points to our Creator

You can read the Sabbath commandment and you will not see anything about sacrifices

Exo 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

So no, the Sabbath is not connected to sacrifices according to God's own testimony.

Also another interesting fact, that once God blesses something as He did the seventh day Sabbath, man cannot reverse.

Num 23:20 Behold, I have received a command to bless;
He has blessed, and I cannot reverse it.

So no one can reverse the Sabbath without a thus saith the Lord attached, not even Paul, who his words come with a stern warning for being twisted out of context 2 Peter 3:16 which leads me to you next point I'll follow up in a separate post
 
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Do you know why the verse says, His commandments?.
the majority of other translations say wash their robe in the blood.
Verses 22:10-21 in the KJV of Revelation were translated from the Textus Receptus (TR), which was produced by Erasmus who had only one Greek manuscript of Revelation to work from. Because it had some verses missing in Chapter 22 Erasmus worked from memory, the notes of Lorenzo Valla and a revised Vulgate text to retro-translate the text from Latin into Greek.

Most other bibles contain the alternate translation because they are translated from Codex Sinaiticus,. which is considered by most authorities to be the accurate reading in this particular case

TR reads TR reads ποιουντες τας εντολας αυτου and Sinaiticus reads πλυνοντες τας στολας αυτων. It's really remarkable how similar they are, yet are markedly different in meaning

Hand-to-Hand Combat: Sinaiticus vs. Textus Receptus in Rev. 22
https://www.thetextofthegospels.com/2019/06/hand-to-hand-combat-sinaiticus-vs.html
 
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Jesus reaffirmed the moral commandments, and Paul said in CL 2:16-17, "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These [the Mosaic sacrificial system] are a shadow of the things that were to come [the New Covenant]; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
This is another popular teaching that sadly most never take time to study or bring in the full context or even see how it reconciles with the teachings of Jesus.


The weekly Sabbath can't be a shadow of anything because it started at Creation Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 when God made everything perfect before the fall of man.

The shadow sabbaths (plural) that have to do with food, drink offerings are referring to the annual holy feast days which some were sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses and ordinances the context of this passage found in Col 2:14 which point to Deut 31:24-26 not Creation or our Creator which is what the weekly Sabbath points to Exo 20:11.

Lets bring in the context that for some reason no one ever quotes.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The weekly Sabbath is holy and blessed by God- written by His finger and is a commandment- Paul is not referring to one of God's commandments and he clearly shows in the context.

Scriptures show what he's referring to....

which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The sacrificial system which was fulfilled in Christ Exo 12:43 1 Cor 5:7

Hebrews 10:1 10 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

Heb 9:10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various [b]washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things [c]to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Col 2:14-17 is a tough passage and sadly many use it against one of God's commandments, but Paul never countermanded God, he can be hard to understand so its important we carefully and prayerfully read the context and see how it matches up with other teachings like Jesus in His own Words said the Sabbath would not end at the Cross but would be kept decades later for His faithful Mat 24:20 and for eternity Isa 66:23
 
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The weekly Sabbath can't be a shadow of anything because it started at Creation Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 when God made everything perfect before the fall of man.
No it didn't. The 7 "days" of creation are figurative descriptions of creational epochs; they were not 24 hour days. The first six "days" reached completion, but the 7th "day" has never ended.
 

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This is another popular teaching that sadly most never take time to study or bring in the full context or even see how it reconciles with the teachings of Jesus.


The weekly Sabbath can't be a shadow of anything because it started at Creation Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 when God made everything perfect before the fall of man.

The shadow sabbaths (plural) that have to do with food, drink offerings are referring to the annual holy feast days which some were sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses and ordinances the context of this passage found in Col 2:14 which point to Deut 31:24-26 not Creation or our Creator which is what the weekly Sabbath points to Exo 20:11.

Lets bring in the context that for some reason no one ever quotes.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The weekly Sabbath is holy and blessed by God- written by His finger and is a commandment- Paul is not referring to one of God's commandments and he clearly shows in the context.

Scriptures show what he's referring to....

which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The sacrificial system which was fulfilled in Christ Exo 12:43 1 Cor 5:7

Hebrews 10:1 10 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

Heb 9:10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various [b]washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things [c]to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Col 2:14-17 is a tough passage and sadly many use it against one of God's commandments, but Paul never countermanded God, he can be hard to understand so its important we carefully and prayerfully read the context and see how it matches up with other teachings like Jesus in His own Words said the Sabbath would not end at the Cross but would be kept decades later for His faithful Mat 24:20 and for eternity Isa 66:23
Do you think God rested at the end of His creation because He was tired?
 
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Yes, Jesus condensed the Ten Commandments by summarizing them with the new commandment or law of love per JN 13:34 & 15:12.

The fourth commandment was part of the Sabbatarian and sacrificial system that was "set aside" by a new "better hope" per HB 7:18 (cf. 8:7-13, 9:1, 15 &10:1).

Jesus reaffirmed the moral commandments, and Paul said in CL 2:16-17, "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These [the Mosaic sacrificial system] are a shadow of the things that were to come [the New Covenant]; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
Lets take a closer look at the Old Covenant verses the New Covenant.

The Ten Commandments are the words of the old Covenant

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

God said He would not alter His words

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.


Its why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 not established on new laws as most erroneously teach. It still has God's law now written in the heart Heb 8:10 established on better promises, not altering the words of the covenant because God cannot lie. Heb 6:18

God would have never made a new covenant had the people not broke the old one, so its not like He changed His mind about His laws, not at all.

Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Because God loves us so much instead not being in a covenant relationship with His people He established a new covenant based on better promises.

The old covenant was based on the people doing

Exo 19:8 Then all the people answered together and said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do.” So Moses brought back the words of the people to the Lord.

Who is the one doing in the New Covenant

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

By our love and cooperation with God, He is the one doing now

John 14: 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Sadly most think this is "not good enough" but its huge, having God help us obey Him through the promise of the Holy Spirit instead of trying to on our own efforts. That is a much better promise and why the New Covenant is established on better promises, but if we are not subject to God's law we are an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8. Its one thing to slip and fall and ask for forgiveness and to help change our direction, but its another not to even recognize one of God's commandments that He personally wrote and personally spoke that are part of the words of the covenant- the one He said Remember.

Hebrews 7:18 is referring to the priesthood, not the Ten Commandments. Please read the whole chapter in its context.


Heb 4:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For [d]He testifies:

“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, (of the Levitical priesthood, the context)19 for the law made nothing [e]perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:

“The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
‘You are a priest [f]forever
According to the order of Melchizedek’ ”),
22 by so much more Jesus has become a [g]surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save [h]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, [i]harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

The bible is not meant to be read, it is meant to be prayerfully studied and context is so important. There is a real spiritual war out there and the devil is doing everything in his power to lead people astray. God's Word is to be the light to our path Psa 119:105 and while its easy to listen to popular teachings of man, if it doesn't line up with the bible its dangerous. Only God's Truth sets us free. Every time we start believing a lie its puts us in the devils captivity.
 
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Do you think God rested at the end of His creation because He was tired?
No. He rested for the example of man. The Sabbath was made for man Mat 2L27 and the word Jesus used here translates into human-beings. Man was made in the image of God Gen 1:26 which means we are to be followers of God. The Sabbath started at Creation and it connects us to Christ- to His blessing, to His Creative Power, to His sanctification. It one of the reasons the devil hates His Sabbath so much and has been attacking it for centuries where sadly, most just follow the crowd.

God worked 6 days and rested on the seventh day. Gen 2:1-3
Man was commanded this same weekly cycle that God led by example as we were made in His likeness. Work 6 days, rest from works and labors on the seventh day to keep the Sabbath holy resting in Christ

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

To enter in Christ rest one also ceases from his works as God did from His.

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
 
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No it didn't. The 7 "days" of creation are figurative descriptions of creational epochs; they were not 24 hour days. The first six "days" reached completion, but the 7th "day" has never ended.
If we don't believe God at His Word, that He spoke creation in literal days and it was so, we will not agree on anything.

So I wish you well.
 

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No. He rested for the example of man. The Sabbath was made for man Mat 2L27 and the word Jesus used here translates into human-beings. Man was made in the image of God Gen 1:26 which means we are to be followers of God. The Sabbath started at Creation and it connects us to Christ- to His blessing, to His Creative Power, to His sanctification. It one of the reasons the devil hates His Sabbath so much and has been attacking it for centuries where sadly, most just follow the crowd.

God worked 6 days and rested on the seventh day. Gen 2:1-3
Man was commanded this same weekly cycle that God led by example as we were made in His likeness. Work 6 days, rest from works and labors on the seventh day to keep the Sabbath holy resting in Christ

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

To enter in Christ rest one also ceases from his works as God did from His.

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
Are you saying that the rest spoken of is a shadow of a current and future reality?
 
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If we don't believe God at His Word, that He spoke creation in literal days and it was so, we will not agree on anything.

So I wish you well.
The 7 days of creation were not 24 hour days because the sun which determines day length wasn't created until the 4th day and Genesis 2:4 says the 6 days of creation were one day

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Genesis 2:4
 
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Do you know why the verse says, His commandments?.
the majority of other translations say wash their robe in the blood.
Hi SaysWhat,

I believe the KJV and NKJV are better translations and taken from the original manuscripts.

Why do I believe this?

If we look at the next verse- its quoting directly from the Ten Commandments

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of them 1 John 2:4). The commandments are a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28 and you break one commandment quoting directly from the Ten we break them all. James 2:10-12

The other translations are not bad through. Washing our robes means we have been cleansed from sin and unrighteousness. The Ten Commandments is what defines sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Rom 7:7 so if we are keeping God's law through His Spirit our robe will be washed.

Clothing in scripture represents righteousness.
“I put on righteousness, and it clothed me; Job 28:14
And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Rev 19:8

All of God's commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 and His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142
 
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Are you saying that the rest spoken of is a shadow of a current and future reality?
No Christ rest started from creation

Hebrews 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


We enter His rest though faith. Those who enter His rest ALSO cease from their works as God did from His Heb 4:10 on the seventh day Heb 4:4 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3

Its why the seventh day Sabbath can't be a shadow of anything- we will always need God our Creator, which is what the Sabbath points to Exo 20:11 our Redeemer who sanctifies us, which is what the Sabbath is a sign of His sanctification because we need God. Eze 20:12 and its a sign that we are one of God's people, the only One True God Eze 20:20. So many blessings from God's Sabbath, that man cannot reverse Num 23:20 and not sure I understand why so many try to be honest.

The Sabbath started at Creation in Eden and stays in Eden once God's restores everything the way it was meant to be before the fall on man Isa 66:22-23. The Sabbath is a reminder of everything God does for us, and why its been attacked so much, but we were foretold it would be Dan 7:25
 

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Hebrews is explicit: Israel received the law of Moses through the Levitical priesthood. The priesthood has changed, therefore the law of the covenant has of necessity changed also. The 10 commandments were part of the law of Moses. Christ did away with the letter of the 10 commandments and wrote his law in our hearts, that fulfills the righteousness required by the 10 commandments.
you contradict scripture completely. your conclusions are flawed.
 
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Hi SaysWhat,

I believe the KJV and NKJV are better translations and taken from the original manuscripts.

Why do I believe this?

If we look at the next verse- its quoting directly from the Ten Commandments

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of them 1 John 2:4). The commandments are a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28 and you break one commandment quoting directly from the Ten we break them all. James 2:10-12

The other translations are not bad through. Washing our robes means we have been cleansed from sin and unrighteousness. The Ten Commandments is what defines sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Rom 7:7 so if we are keeping God's law through His Spirit our robe will be washed.

Clothing in scripture represents righteousness.
“I put on righteousness, and it clothed me; Job 28:14
And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Rev 19:8

All of God's commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 and His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142
Just want to add how Rev 22:14 shows us the curse of sin being restored back the way before the fall.

Adam and Eve when they were created were clothed in His righteousness because they were created without sin.

Once they broke God's law and sinned Rom 4:15 they lost their robe of righteousness and were naked

Gen 2:10 So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”

Rev 22:14 shows God restoring what sin did. So I like the version of wash their robes, restoring our nakedness, as its interchangeable with sin and righteousness which both are connected to the Ten Commandments. Psa 119:172 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 God's perfect law converting the soul Psa 19:7
 
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Thank you for this.
You placed a lot here, so I'll use a few different posts to answer it as it will be easier to read.

I know this is popular teachings, but what I care about is it what the bible teaches once we look at the whole context.

Do you believe God is our Authority and what He writes is Truth?

If we don't agree on this premise we will never on the scriptures.

The Sabbath did start after the fall of man when sacrifices started. It started at Creation, when God made everything perfect. The Sabbath is part of God's perfect plan Sacrifices came after sin entered the world

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

How do we know the Sabbath started at Creation? God tells us plainly

These are God's spoken and personally written Words:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

So God points the Sabbath to Creation and it points to our Creator

You can read the Sabbath commandment and you will not see anything about sacrifices

Exo 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

So no, the Sabbath is not connected to sacrifices according to God's own testimony.

Also another interesting fact, that once God blesses something as He did the seventh day Sabbath, man cannot reverse.

Num 23:20 Behold, I have received a command to bless;
He has blessed, and I cannot reverse it.

So no one can reverse the Sabbath without a thus saith the Lord attached, not even Paul, who his words come with a stern warning for being twisted out of context 2 Peter 3:16 which leads me to you next point I'll follow up in a separate post
I wish we could edit longer.

Correction

I said this:
The Sabbath did start after the fall of man when sacrifices started.

But I meant to say the Sabbath did not start after the fall as clearly shown by God's personal Testimony Exo 20:11
 
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Thank you for this.
You placed a lot here, so I'll use a few different posts to answer it as it will be easier to read.

I know this is popular teachings, but what I care about is it what the bible teaches once we look at the whole context.

Do you believe God is our Authority and what He writes is Truth?

If we don't agree on this premise we will never on the scriptures.

The Sabbath did start after the fall of man when sacrifices started. It started at Creation, when God made everything perfect. The Sabbath is part of God's perfect plan Sacrifices came after sin entered the world

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

How do we know the Sabbath started at Creation? God tells us plainly

These are God's spoken and personally written Words:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

So God points the Sabbath to Creation and it points to our Creator

You can read the Sabbath commandment and you will not see anything about sacrifices

Exo 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

So no, the Sabbath is not connected to sacrifices according to God's own testimony.

Also another interesting fact, that once God blesses something as He did the seventh day Sabbath, man cannot reverse.

Num 23:20 Behold, I have received a command to bless;
He has blessed, and I cannot reverse it.

So no one can reverse the Sabbath without a thus saith the Lord attached, not even Paul, who his words come with a stern warning for being twisted out of context 2 Peter 3:16 which leads me to you next point I'll follow up in a separate post

Do you believe God is our Authority and what He writes is Truth? Yes (1JN 5:6, etc.)

Do I believe the Sabbath is part of God's perfect plan? Yes (EX 31:14)

Do I believe the Sabbath commandment is in the vein of other Mosaic laws about amoral sacrifices? Yes (EX 23:14, 25:9, LV 1-17, 25:2, etc.), NM 7-9, 15, 28, 29, DT 14-16.)

Do I believe God has the authority to decree that the Sabbath law has fulfilled its purpose and is no longer mandated, because He should be glorified every day? Yes (RM 14, especially v. 5 & 13, "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike... Let us stop passing judgment on one another."
 
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Do you believe God is our Authority and what He writes is Truth? Yes (1JN 5:6, etc.)

Do I believe the Sabbath is part of God's perfect plan? Yes (EX 31:14)

Do I believe the Sabbath commandment is in the vein of other Mosaic laws about amoral sacrifices? Yes (EX 23:14, 25:9, LV 1-17, 25:2, etc.), NM 7-9, 15, 28, 29, DT 14-16.)

Do I believe God has the authority to decree that the Sabbath law has fulfilled its purpose and is no longer mandated, because He should be glorified every day? Yes (RM 14, especially v. 5 & 13, "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike... Let us stop passing judgment on one another."
The. Sabbath was proved it started at Creation by God’s own Testimony Exo 20:11 and no sacrifices are in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:8-11 so no the Sabbath is not connected to sacrifices according to God. The sacrificial system came after the fall of man, not before. Where are sacrifices at Creation?

Did the Israelites make sacrifices on the Sabbath, yes, they made sacrifices daily for sin, but that does not mean the Sabbath is connected to sacrifices.

Let’s take a look at some examples….

Jesus who is our example to follow in His footsteps, did He make sacrifices on the Sabbath?

Jesus kept the Sabbath…..where did He make sacrifices on the Sabbath. He kept it by going to the synagogues reading the Word of God.

Luke 4;16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

The Sabbath rest was according to the commandment in the NC Luke 23:56 and nothing in the commandment about sacrifices.

God could end the Sabbath if He wanted. Sure He is God, but did He? Show me one verse by God that He abrogated His commandment before His death that ratified His covenant- It Is Finished- nothing can be changed.

Christ in His own Words said the Sabbath would not end decades after His death Mat 24:20 and for eternity Isa 66:22-23 because He promised not to edit the words of His covenant Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18.

The apostles kept every Sabbath decades after His death in the same manner Jesus did. Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44

I believe your disagreement is with the Text, not with me.
 
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Do you believe God is our Authority and what He writes is Truth? Yes (1JN 5:6, etc.)
(RM 14, especially v. 5 & 13, "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike... Let us stop passing judgment on one another."
I beleive this is another verse that needs to be studied more

The disciples were not arguing whether or not to keep or not keep one of God’s commandments. They were discussing the annual holy days connected to Col 2:14-17 that has to do with food, the context of this passage, hence why the Sabbath is not mentioned once in the whole book of Romans 14. They were discussing what day man esteems over another, not what day God esteemed in His own Words- the the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10, My holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God, thus saith the Lord Isa 58:18

The annual feast days ended at the cross and we no longer judge if those are kept or not kept, thats why they were saying if you keep, keep it unto the Lord.

Not discussing one of God’s commandments written by the finger of God placed under God’s mercy seat where mercy and justice will come together one day soon, where God judges. James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14, Rev 14:7, Rev 22:14-15 Mat 5:19-30

That said no one judged you, thats is with a much Higher Authority for us all. Sharing scripture is not judging. Jesus commissions us to teach each other the commandments Mat 5:19