The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It's Gentiles who have been grafted into the blessings of the Jews. Not the other way around. Please learn this lesson

Both Jews and gentiles are grafted into the vine of Israel; there is no difference. Gentiles have been blessed by Israel's/Judah's' preservation of OT scripture for thousands of years and Jews have been blessed by Christian preservation of NT scripture for thousands of years, Please learn this lesson...

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. Romans 11:23

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I would like to comment on Bible-Highlighter's comment that "Faith is not always logical. Do you think Abraham was thinking it made sense that God was telling him to sacrifice his son Isaac? I am sure it was not rational or logical to him at all. But what he had was faith and trust. He believed what God said despite the evidence or reasons, etcetera."

I think it was immensely logical. Abraham knew that Christ, God's son, would be sacrificed for sin.

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. John 8:56

Abraham didn't have blind faith; he had faith in the gospel.

 

[Dino246]

Not true. The gospel's roots are in the bible. Judaism is a creation of the pharisees

I'll grant there is evidence that modern Judaism is largely an invention of the Pharisees, but Levitical Judaism is by God's design in the Law.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I'll grant there is evidence that modern Judaism is largely an invention of the Pharisees, but Levitical Judaism is by God's design in the Law.

Levitical Judaism didn't appear until after Judah's Babylonian captivity

 

[Dino246]

Levitical Judaism didn't appear until after Judah's Babylonian captivity

Did God establish the Levitical system in the Law? Yes or No? Was that before or after the captivity?

 

[Genez]

Not true. The gospel's roots are in the bible. Judaism is a creation of the pharisees

Jesus was a rabbi!
He lived by every word of the Torah.
He was always citing OT Scripture.

The Pharisees did not give us Judaism.
They gave us legalism. They distorted Judaism.
That's why Jesus hated them.

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[Genez]

Levitical Judaism didn't appear until after Judah's Babylonian captivity

Who's teaching you this stuff?

They went into captivity for their rejection of Levitical Judaism. It was there! They rejected it.

 

[Genez]

Both Jews and gentiles are grafted into the vine of Israel; there is no difference. Gentiles have been blessed by Israel's/Judah's' preservation of OT scripture for thousands of years and Jews have been blessed by Christian preservation of NT scripture for thousands of years, Please learn this lesson...

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. Romans 11:23

You are not differentiating between a racial Jew... And a regenerate Jew.

What's called Jews in the NT Church were Jews who found regeneration.
Before regeneration, in Israel, they were still called Jews.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Who's teaching you this stuff?

They went into captivity for their rejection of Levitical Judaism. It was there! They rejected it.

How was it Levitical Judaism? Judah had nothing to do with the priesthood until the order of Melchizedek. The children of Israel were not called Jews, ie Judeans, back then.

 

[posthuman]

How was it Levitical Judaism? Judah had nothing to do with the priesthood until the order of Melchizedek. The children of Israel were not called Jews, ie Judeans, back then.

Ezra 4:12​

Let it be known to the king that the Jews who came up from you have come to us at Jerusalem, and are building the rebellious and evil city, and are finishing [its] walls and repairing the foundations.​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You are not differentiating between a racial Jew... And a regenerate Jew.

What's called Jews in the NT Church were Jews who found regeneration.
Before regeneration, in Israel, they were still called Jews.

It doesn't matter. Unbelieving Israel and Judah were broken off from the root and the only way back for them is to be grafted back in as any other person must be. There is no difference

 

[posthuman]

How was it Levitical Judaism? Judah had nothing to do with the priesthood until the order of Melchizedek. The children of Israel were not called Jews, ie Judeans, back then.

the term Judaism does not refer to the tribe of Judah.

it refers to the religion of the people alternately known as Hebrews, Jews, children of Israel - particularly the instructions given through Moses in Exodus, Deuteronomy, Leviticus and Numbers.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Ezra 4:12​

Let it be known to the king that the Jews who came up from you have come to us at Jerusalem, and are building the rebellious and evil city, and are finishing [its] walls and repairing the foundations.​

Those were Judeans returned from the Babylonian captivity, not the tribes of Israel that were scattered throughout the nations a couple of centuries earlier when the kingdom of Israel was destroyed in 722BC

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

the term Judaism does not refer to the tribe of Judah.

it refers to the religion of the people alternately known as Hebrews, Jews, children of Israel - particularly the instructions given through Moses in Exodus, Deuteronomy, Leviticus and Numbers.

Judaism derives the from the word Jew, which means Judean, ie of the tribe of Judah

G2453 Ἰουδαῖος Ioudaios (you-d̮ai'-os) adj/g.
1. of Judea (i.e. belonging to Jehudah, as contrasted with being of Galilee, also contrasting southern and northern kingdoms in the Land of Israel).
2. (as a noun) a Judean.

 

[Dino246]

It doesn't matter. Unbelieving Israel and Judah were broken off from the root and the only way back for them is to be grafted back in as any other person must be. There is no difference

You are correct here, but you seem intent on picking nits on terminology. Instead of starting with disagreement, start by trying to understand what others are saying. There is usually less need to disagree.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You are correct here, but you seem intent on picking nits on terminology. Instead of starting with disagreement, start by trying to understand what others are saying. There is usually less need to disagree.

Terminology is important because darkness hides in obscurity and vagueness. Start focusing on the nits and you will expose and drive out the darkness

 

[Eli1]

It so happens I am Jewish. And, you have no idea how stupid you make Christians look.

Question, if you don't mind answering.
Were you born in USA or Israel?

 

[HeIsHere]

Yeah. The KJV is fine but it’s a waste of time to spend half of it trying to figure out or a sermon explaining what the Elizabethan English means!

It actually is not Elizabethan English.

 

[posthuman]

Judaism derives the from the word Jew, which means Judean, ie of the tribe of Judah

G2453 Ἰουδαῖος Ioudaios (you-d̮ai'-os) adj/g.
1. of Judea (i.e. belonging to Jehudah, as contrasted with being of Galilee, also contrasting southern and northern kingdoms in the Land of Israel).
2. (as a noun) a Judean.

you gave the definition of Judean, not of Judaism.

the people of the other 12 tribes did not receive a different religion from Moses.

Judaism refers to the religious beliefs and practices of the people, not to a priesthood from the tribe of Judah.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

you gave the definition of Judean, not of Judaism.

the people of the other 12 tribes did not receive a different religion from Moses.

Judaism refers to the religious beliefs and practices of the people, not to a priesthood from the tribe of Judah.

Judaism was the religion of the Judean pharisees, not Moses. It originated in Judea, not Sinai. They esteemed their traditions above Moses

[Jesus] answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Mark 7:6-9