Yes, or even more specifically the London Baptist 1689 confession. (I find myself in more agreement with the first confession of 1646.) But like you I lament how often the writers of those confessions formulate their doctrines out of whole cloth because they could find no support for them in the bible.
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Man was created to serve and co-rule this planet with God. A person either lives for God (serves him) or he lives for himself (serving his own self-interests since the uncircumcised of heart are ruled by self, i.e. sin nature (cf. Col 2:11). This is what differentiates saints from sinners. Even though the unregenerate actually do good in this world on the horizontal level, they have no personal, saving, covenantal relationship on the vertical level with God. Whatever "good" they do on the horizontal level will likely mitigate the degree of their eternal punishment but those kinds of good works performed outside of Christ can never save them.
The unregenerate dead have no spiritual ability to obey God or His Spirit. They must be raised from their spiritual tombs firsts.
The unregenerate dead have no spiritual ability to obey God or His Spirit. They must be raised from their spiritual tombs firsts.
If it said Adam's sin is imputed to someone else, you would have quoted it and not just given the scripture reference to hide the fact that it doesn't say that, but you are pretending that it does.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
It says that "death passed upon all men", not that "Adam's sin was imputed to all men".
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
It says that "death passed upon all men", not that "Adam's sin was imputed to all men".
This is simply not true. Unregens can hear the voice of God as clearly as we can. How can a person who doesn't believe in Christ hear and learn of the father if it is not the holy spirit teaching him?
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:44-45
And they can obey the holy spirit. How else are they producing fruits of the spirit? We've all seen some unbelievers doing these things
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23
So maybe they are following his spirit, but just haven't yet had their eyes opened to the full truth. I'm actually speaking from experience. When God opened my eyes I knew it was the truth because it was the voice I had been following and longing for.
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:44-45
And they can obey the holy spirit. How else are they producing fruits of the spirit? We've all seen some unbelievers doing these things
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23
So maybe they are following his spirit, but just haven't yet had their eyes opened to the full truth. I'm actually speaking from experience. When God opened my eyes I knew it was the truth because it was the voice I had been following and longing for.
Well...I'm operating on the assumption that you know how to read. And I did point to the passage in which imputation is clearly taught. But since you, evidently, don't read too swell, here are the specific texts:
Rom 5:15
15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
NIV
And,
Rom 5:18-19
18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
NIV
As stated earlier if Adam's sin is not imputed to all his progeny then neither is the Last Adam's perfect obedience imputed to the "many" to make them righteous.
Rom 5:15
15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
NIV
And,
Rom 5:18-19
18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
NIV
As stated earlier if Adam's sin is not imputed to all his progeny then neither is the Last Adam's perfect obedience imputed to the "many" to make them righteous.
Jesus not only performed every commandment perfectly outwardly, but inwardly as well. This is not true of the unregenerate. There is more to the keeping of a commandment than mere outward conformity. The Pharisees themselves were whited sepulchers full of dead men's bones. So is anyone who only appear outwardly obedient, but who do not have the same inward reality. Thus, a rich man can throw an exorbitant amount into an offering and a poor widow can give a mite and it be far greater.