Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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ZNP

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This is a simplistic view of economics that in many cases, maybe even most cases is not true.

If the reason for a trade imbalance is because one country has high tariffs and the other doesn't then making the tariffs equal will definitely be a big plus for that economy.

The reason for this is because manufacturing is the engine to any economy. If the car is made in the US then all those workers get paid in the US, pay taxes in the US and spend their paychecks in the US. On the other hand if you buy a car made in a foreign country it is like someone has opened the drain on the bathtub. All the money goes to that country. Who is going to pay the taxes in the US? Not those workers. Who is buying the goods at the local stores and restaurants? Not those people.

So then, in some cases tariffs are very damaging to world trade, in other cases tariffs that make things equal are like someone putting the plug back in the drain in the bathtub so that the money stays in the nation rather than being drained out by others.

We were warned this would happen with NAFTA. Yes, on one hand the cost of the goods seems cheaper, but on the other hand the US debt goes up, the decay of the US goes up, the lack of taking care of infrastructure increases, deficit spending increases, and ultimately you start to see inflation take off.

A Toyota corolla was about $2,000 in 1980. Inflation is a tax on the poor. The rich own stocks which go up generally a little faster than inflation. But for those who are not independently wealthy with stocks, your paycheck rarely if every will keep pace with inflation.
The poor may have made 20k a year in 1980. Since then their salary may have increased four fold to 80k, so they think they are doing well. But that Toyota corolla has increased ten fold to 20k, or even 25k. How many people making 20k in 1980 are making 200k or 250k today? Few if any. But even if they are they are only treading water, simply keeping pace with inflation.
 

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Winners don't quit and quitters don't win -- Vince Lombardi
 

hornetguy

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Also, talking about inflation, his tariffs on China will make us pay more for literally everything
So... enforced cutting back of America's buying goods from our sworn enemy is bad, simply because YOU have to pay a little more for products from countries that are our allies? Or, gasp, from companies in America?

Sounds as if you are willing to sell out the nation just so you can buy your junk a little cheaper. Figures....
 

ZNP

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??? You are saying that In Vitro Fertilization kills babies? I thought it was intended to create babies....
In the process of In Vitro Fertilization they fertilize eggs and implant them in the woman. But in the process there are many fertilized eggs kept in the freezer and also many that are destroyed. If you believe that life begins at conception then the destruction of those fertilized eggs are living humans.
 

ZNP

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Let's talk about courage

Trump knew that if he ran again they would use lawfare to destroy him, they would do whatever was necessary to destroy him including assassination attempts.

But consider this, not only will they destroy him if he loses, they will also destroy him if the Democrats win the house and senate. He'll be impeached immediately. So even if he win he has to depend on feckless congressmen and senators to have his back.
 

hornetguy

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In the process of In Vitro Fertilization they fertilize eggs and implant them in the woman. But in the process there are many fertilized eggs kept in the freezer and also many that are destroyed. If you believe that life begins at conception then the destruction of those fertilized eggs are living humans.
ah... ok. Got it. Never heard of that argument... don't think I agree with it, but I need to give it some thought.
 

Magenta

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ah... ok. Got it. Never heard of that argument... don't think I agree with it, but I need to give it some thought.
First-time IVF success rates often fall between 25-30% for most intended parents. This probability
tends to increase after multiple IVF cycles. So many eggs are "harvested" and fertilized all at once.
 

hornetguy

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Let's talk about courage

Trump knew that if he ran again they would use lawfare to destroy him, they would do whatever was necessary to destroy him including assassination attempts.

But consider this, not only will they destroy him if he loses, they will also destroy him if the Democrats win the house and senate. He'll be impeached immediately. So even if he win he has to depend on feckless congressmen and senators to have his back.
It would be nice to think that if this IS some sort of landslide, the congress folks would be forced (by their constituents) to support the President... at least, quite a bit more than they did the first go-round. Congress people can be impeached, as well...
 

ZNP

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It would be nice to think that if this IS some sort of landslide, the congress folks would be forced (by their constituents) to support the President... at least, quite a bit more than they did the first go-round. Congress people can be impeached, as well...
Would you be willing to put your life and that of your family in the hands of the Republicans in Congress and the Senate and even hope that they would win their elections?
 

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First-time IVF success rates often fall between 25-30% for most intended parents. This probability
tends to increase after multiple IVF cycles. So many eggs are "harvested" and fertilized all at once.
Very true.

I think the difference is that IVF can be done in a more responsible way whereas there is no middle ground on abortion.

IVF can be dictated to fertilize eggs that will be used not for potential use. That may cause deadlines on age when to start this process but each child like any child in the womb deserves a chance to survive the womb.
 

Magenta

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Very true.

I think the difference is that IVF can be done in a more responsible way whereas there is no middle ground on abortion.

IVF can be dictated to fertilize eggs that will be used not for potential use. That may cause deadlines on age
when to start this process but each child like any child in the womb deserves a chance to survive the womb.
I thought the issue was that all eggs were fertilized and then frozen, which is why the outcry when the embryos are later destroyed.
 

hornetguy

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Would you be willing to put your life and that of your family in the hands of the Republicans in Congress and the Senate and even hope that they would win their elections?
I think the republicans in congress would be much more trustworthy than the democrats in congress....